Well, its not 100% ban; if you recall how it happened, they (Govt) said any 100cc motorcycle non conformance to pollution level are to be banned. But higher the CC, the permissible level on pollution was also more.

However, Max100 series in 100 cc's & TVS XL's under 100 cc's (Max 100, Max 100R) were the only ones to pass the PUC & hence Shogun & Shaolin was stopped; Rx & KB were increased to higher CC's (135s). But eventually, they sited crap reasons to ban the manufacturing of 2S's motorcycles.

By then (2000's) there were almost no mopeds under 100cc's with TVS leading the segment (by then all the Hero's were in full swing with their 4joke engines). IIRC, Kinetic or someone tried manufacturing mopeds (IIRC King), but was more than utter failure & couldn't get decent numbers.

Since there wasn't any competition for mopeds, TVS stayed undisputed leader & were able to give the 2S under 100cc engines. I could be wrong, but, Scooty should also be less than 100cc & hence they survive.

If I remember correctly, one of my Electronics Prof.s in junior college back in early 2003 had got himself a shining new TVS Max 100 2S and according to him the bike would return 50-55 kmpl. That was officially the last 'brand new' 2S geared 2-wheeler that I ever saw.

It used to be substantially cheaper (in the vicinity of 10k) than the closest 4joke(Boxer / CD100). IIRC he had got it for <30k at the time. I didn't take much interest in this stuff back then since I was just 15 and wasn't *legally* allowed ride anything with an IC engine (still I used a KiHo as my commute). So, I guess thats when the relevant 2 strokers (RX / KB / Shogun / Shaolin) were discontinued. Before I even got a chance to own a brand new one .

Now with the advent of direct injection, 2 strokers can make an extremely strong comeback and while still maintaining competitiveness on both price and FE terms while pumping out much higher power than the 4jokers. I really hope somebody (= Rajiv Bajaj) puts some sense into the rusting minds of the bureaucrats and opens the doors to new age 2-strokers.

If only the Duke had come with a 200cc GDI 2S instead of a Fi 4S engine, not only would it have been substantially cheaper(to make) and at least 10 kilos lighter, it would have been as fun a bike as the legendary Yamdoot once was!

Why does this vicky .in guy keep teasing us with news that bajaj is indeed going to launch the 2-s ninja 150?

The fairing on this bike doesn't look as good and integrated as on the bigger Ninja. It looks more like an after-market job though not cheap. But the fact that we aren't going to get it either now or even in the foreseeable future, it doesn't really matter.

Its back in a 4joke avatar... So probably, that's why it was not removed.

Also, it lists many other step thru's and bikes that aren't sold in India, probably because India is the home country of TVS and all models should be shown here.

Apna Vicky has always been famous for making good jokes & fairy tales...
Once in a while, when situation gets tense on xbhp, you should visit apne vicky ki website to have a laugh.


Bottom line, 2 strokes aren't coming back until somebody political gives a kick start to it. Anyone joining politics? Anyways, who will give votes to us even if we join?

Lol, yeah i've gotten a kinda strange vibe from viky sometimes.

But i've heard that tvs is still actively selling some of these 2-wheeler 2-strokes. It doesn't matter if it's a scooter or step-thru etc. If they're able to sell it at all then there is some hope if someone really wanted to do so with another vehicle. They just have to 'convince' the govt. to accept it. Hoping against hope that something positive comes through with the ninja 150. It will be so much fun. A true giant killer pocket rocket.

already here in Indonesia, my friend bought this bike and waiting legal paper. maybe next month I can ride it

my own bike is ninja R, same machine but different in carb, frame etc

Hey there,

It would be awesome to get more information/pics about yours and your friend's bikes.

hope to hear more from you soon!

30bhp in a two stroke and that too in a 150cc it is a sheer power. Think of the power to weight ratio. 2 strokes are always lighter in construction when compared to four strokes.
When companies like TVS still sell XL super in large numbers then why Kawasaki should not introduce 150RR. If they match the emission norms they can bring it to India. But Bajaj has no intention to bring this bike to India

If this is bike is introduced in India it will definitely rewrite the two stroke history....

It's supposed to weigh 125kgs, which gives it a p-w ratio of 240hp/tonne which is even higher than the KTM 200's 184hp/tonne.

Back in Late 80s I had a " V " 3 cylinder Honda MVX 250 LC TWO stroke bike which produced 40 Bhp. The FE was low(15 Kms) and riding position terrible with 18" rear and 16" front wheels.Parts as usual were not available and I started getting back strain...so sold it.. bike was rated at 175 Kmph top speed and on highways I had taken it up to 140 kmph...
Internationally the bike suffered from engine problems ,mostly seizures on sustained WOT,which could not be solved in time and was succeeded by the NSR .

You had an mvx 250 ???!!! How on earth did you get your hands on it?

Very interesting engine configuration that one had. Were it the horizontal cylinders that would seize earlier? Or was it crank related?

The reported problem was always with the upright center cylinder..the forward inclined outer twins were good..I believe Honda had given free upgrade of bore, piston, and strengthened connecting rod which was thicker,and improved conrod big end and small end roller bearings...Though in my short ownership never did face the problem....later on came to know that the Ignition timing map was wrongly done ,esp., center cylinder which led to piston,conrod and bearings going bad and seizing..By the time Honda could correct it, it was too late,and bike was history..the introduction of the NSR which was the lesson learnt with the MVX, proved to be a scorcher and had many improvements..including upside down forks,and lower CG.Not many have heard of the MVX or seen one..leave alone owning one...

You are indeed one of that lucky generation. Even the venerable NSRs were not as rare and unique as the mvx. Sometimes i wish i was born in the 60s or 70s so i could experience the good old days first-hand!

Yes you said it...the roads were empty,and not many mad drivers on the road..only thing, the highways were just two lane and badly maintained with pot holes..When it rains I never would take to the highway for at least a month ,by which time the larger pot holes will be repaired..the smaller ones were always there to keep us on our toes
Price of Petrol in the 50s were 0.5/- per liter.....1/- in the 60s and even in 70s were single digit.... may be around 2/- per liter..and became costly in the 80s to 6~ 8/- and doubled to 16~20/- in the 90s....