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  • #46
    Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
    Inferior parts *could* be a reason.
    But so would:
    Not spending crores of ad money on Hrithik, Dhoni, Priyanka and Electronic / print media.
    Keeping waiting periods low, managing the supply chain better hence making more sales.
    Refreshing products regularly keeping them interesting.
    Providing class leading bhp/liter figures on most products in the premium range.
    Very little royalty payments (if any).
    Part sharing across several high selling models = economies of scale.
    Concentrating more on improving exports which typically bring much higher margins.

    @RG Even I didn't get that part.

    Edit:
    I have a little story of brake pad replacement on my Honda Civic.
    Since ours was a used car purchase, We decided that we needed to get all 4 brake pads of our car replaced (since nothing else was wrong with the car). We took it to Honda SVC and got a quote of 22k(for parts) + labor.
    Checked online and found Nissin (= Honda OEM Brake pads) branded set of 4 brake pads for sale on MANY US based portals for a shade under $90. This is about the same price that Honda USA dealerships sell them for.
    Inclusive of shipping to India(and octroi), it costed me ~6500. Got them changed for <7k all inclusive. Does this make Nissin branded pads in US 4 times as inferior to those sold in India? Or is it Honda Siel Cars India fleecing us all in the name of "Quality comes for a price".
    Inferior parts? The quality might differ, but the raw materials remain the same, so how can one even think of profitability with lower quality?
    Bang on with the example though.
    Also, most manufacturers source their components from same vendors. Chain sprockets, spark plugs, air filters, wiring etc. Cheap is always not bad and Expensive is not always the best.
    Some of the Happiest people in the world don't have everything. They just make the best of everything life brings their way !!! Stay happy, Smile always :)

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    • #47
      Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
      Inferior parts *could* be a reason.
      But so would:
      Not spending crores of ad money on Hrithik, Dhoni, Priyanka and Electronic / print media.
      Keeping waiting periods low, managing the supply chain better hence making more sales.
      Refreshing products regularly keeping them interesting.
      Providing class leading bhp/liter figures on most products in the premium range.
      Very little royalty payments (if any).
      Part sharing across several high selling models = economies of scale.
      Concentrating more on improving exports which typically bring much higher margins.

      @RG Even I didn't get that part.

      Edit:
      I have a little story of brake pad replacement on my Honda Civic.
      Since ours was a used car purchase, We decided that we needed to get all 4 brake pads of our car replaced (since nothing else was wrong with the car). We took it to Honda SVC and got a quote of 22k(for parts) + labor.
      Checked online and found Nissin (= Honda OEM Brake pads) branded set of 4 brake pads for sale on MANY US based portals for a shade under $90. This is about the same price that Honda USA dealerships sell them for.
      Inclusive of shipping to India(and octroi), it costed me ~6500. Got them changed for <7k all inclusive. Does this make Nissin branded pads in US 4 times as inferior to those sold in India? Or is it Honda Siel Cars India fleecing us all in the name of "Quality comes for a price".
      1++ Bang on with the reasons, sir.

      Regarding spares costs, one could easily compare this with P220 to Karizma/Unicorn. Even disc pads of Unicorn cost more than that P220, inspite of P220 being powerful/costlier bike. Doesn't mean spares used in P220 are inferior, Hero/Honda charge way more for them coz they know people are ready to shell out money on their brand name.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
        we may expect 4 valve and triple spark,with bump in power figure and improved efficiency.
        I don't suppose triple spark would be there in the "re-engineered" discovers though 4-valve is probable. Putting triple spark would be too much for a puny 125 or even 150cc engine. It would badly heat the small area. And bajaj won't provide Liquid cooled engines for them as they would increase the cost. The re-engineered discovers will be inspired by the refinement of KTM while being "re-engineered" by Bajaj Auto.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post
          I don't suppose triple spark would be there in the "re-engineered" discovers though 4-valve is probable. Putting triple spark would be too much for a puny 125 or even 150cc engine. It would badly heat the small area. And bajaj won't provide Liquid cooled engines for them as they would increase the cost. The re-engineered discovers will be inspired by the refinement of KTM while being "re-engineered" by Bajaj Auto.
          triple spark and 4 valve in 100 and 125 cc is not that much needed,but we can see its application in 150 cc.we can expect a new design too.
          and the question remains why do i race?
          every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

          #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
          #overkill is underrated.
          #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
          #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road
          (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
            triple spark and 4 valve in 100 and 125 cc is not that much needed,but we can see its application in 150 cc.we can expect a new design too.
            I would say more than engine the design improvement has to be there. The bike has very small body parts and cost cutting is hovering around all the bike parts. Not that they are of bad quality but the parts are very small. Even the front visor has been cut off and it looks like a toad to me (No offence intended discover lovers If bajaj provides a nice body design... like what they did with the P200NS and with nice refinement and of-course Bajaj is the king of FE and with a nice price and power. It would be mouth watering..
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Enthusiastic View Post
              I would say more than engine the design improvement has to be there. The bike has very small body parts and cost cutting is hovering around all the bike parts.
              there are many people out there who values functionality rather than design,they don't wanna spend much bucks,discover works out well for them,i would rather not call it cost cutting.
              and the question remains why do i race?
              every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

              #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
              #overkill is underrated.
              #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
              #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road
              (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
                there are many people out there who values functionality rather than design,they don't wanna spend much bucks,discover works out well for them,i would rather not call it cost cutting.
                Yes agreed there are people like that but their numbers aren't too many. having a good quality design, suspension always impress and for a long run they are necessary. Pulsars had it, avengers had it but the other bajaj bikes lacked it. That is the reason even being in the volume segment they did not fare well. It is also important for brand building. I strongly believe this. If Bajaj sees itself as a future global company and a quality product provider it has to revamp those. People would not mind paying 3k extra if they get a better design, quality, suspension, refinement. I strongly believe this. This is a region where Honda excelled even though by overpricing their products but Bajaj lacked busy in cost-cutting. Quality is important.. not only for people buying quality products like P200NS but also for people buying Platinas and smaller discovers.
                Last edited by Enthusiastic; 03-07-2012, 12:07 AM.
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                • #53
                  I expect following from the new discover

                  1) Four valve
                  2) air cooled engine with very good refinement
                  3) improved chasis, will not be twin spar but far improved one
                  4) dtsi (as per one article one of the bajaj official mentioned during p200ns launch that triple spark will be available on pulsar only till they come out with an improved technology. Then triple spark will trikle down to other products)
                  5) eye popping design (which the current discover lacks)

                  The gear box and piston should be shared with upcoming P150/125 in interest of sharing costs and improving economies. As now discover has to compete with SZ which seems to be clicked well in the market, new discover should have good refinement, handling and looks.

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