Depending on pricing though, completely. If a person is really expecting "performance" from a 125cc and the 125ST is not priced according to the other 125cc bikes, he is better off just getting a 150cc bike like the SZ-X or something.

Hero's lower segment sales is almost impossible to beat. Rural areas don't care about 4 Valve, FI, top speed, etc. The very sight of plentiful number of Splendors running around largely untroubled for years is enough to convince any person to spend his hard earned money on a Hero.

Kudos to Bajaj for a wonderful product

@Sunilg, Thank for such a great coverage.

Everything looks top-notch in this bike. Disc cover is not needed though. Finally happy to see a good looking headlamp and a good looking discover. Looks comfortable too.
I reckon this would be a big success looking at the bike's beauty, power, next-gen refinement would be better too. I am sure this gonna be hurting rivals Hero, Honda to a very good extent.
This might not appeal to uncles but to younger generation who need mileage with power and looks too this is a very very good option. Bravo Bajaj for the success.

Well, at the moment Discover 125 dts-i is priced way below the likes of Shine. This might just get priced similar to Shine or may be it could start where P135LS started sometime ago, just around the 50k ex-showroom mark. If that's the case, I don't see anything unreasonable in that. But, just like I said in my previous post, this needs to be backed by serious marketing effort.

totally agree with you bro...
people in rural area just want tension free commuters with good network of service centers....and i dont know how people start dreaming of honda or bajaj snatching the numero uno position of hero which is selling near about 5.5 lac units per month...
No doubt discover 125 st is a good product but styling is not in the league of yamaha sz...its just my personal opinion...

True, the junta needs to be enlightened about the benefits of the 4-Valve, and the Monoshock. But what Bajaj is doing now is forcing the market to play catch up in terms of technology. Soon, we may see 4-Valve becoming the norm in all segments.

True, but how many people buying these bikes really care about looks? Mileage is THE most important factor which I am sure the 125ST will be miles(literally) ahead of the SZ.

i for one think that these are steps (revolutionary and evolutionary in nature) towards a more stable and properly ordered and international like matured portfolio.and i think its gonna be like this (this is just my thought using some crazy imagination as nobody will be able to read mr. rajiv bajaj's mind. so if you think its nonsense please forgive me )

ok here it goes......

RB had indicated that they were gonna reshape their entire porfolio besides concentrating in liberating each brands from the parent brand. he had said that there are gonna be specific brands for specific customer groups with the pulsars acting as a means to access those performance seeking customers and the discovers acting as a sporty side of the plain commuters.

as i had thought many times over in the past, i think making a brand stick within a particular specific platform makes more sense if one thinks from the cost of production with less cost due to parts sharing point (think the case of the duke 125 and 200and the p200 ns/like the old pulsars from 150-220).

My point is in the current pulsar (uptill this moment) line up only the p135ls stands out of the crowd and all the rest from 150cc to 220cc share the same old 10year old platform.the p135 ls i believe share the same basic platform originated from the xcd series and also now used by the current discover line up.that makes the p135 an odd one out in the pulsar line up. Now since RB plans to re-position the pulsars as a sports oriented and focused brand from now on and since by now itself getting positioned way above the commuter oriented discovers, BAL won't be thinking of pulsars and discovers sharing common engine platforms and also RB had said that the 10year platforms will eventually give up towards the p200 ns's platforms in the future.And when this happen all the pulsars within the 10year old platforms will change together and the only pulsar left out will be the baby pulsar 135 as its relatively new.As for this very reason p135 might get axed to make way for a better p135/even a p125 based on p200ns which could be air/liquid cooled.By this move the common platform link between the commuter brand(discover) and sports oriented brand (pulsar) will be no more and both brands will be distinctly separate strengthening their identity and purpose.thats it for p135ls.

now about the pulsar twins (p150 and p180)....
if p135 gets relaunched within the p200ns's platform then there is no point in putting a p150/ 180 as RB said they want to portray pulsar a sports oriented brand and develop it into more upto 750cc/more. As of this same reason the old 10-20 cc gap positioning might create too many pulsars within the brand and also might create the chances for cannibalization within the brand. So for this same reason, i believe a 160cc variant with more power than the p180 but still being able to be even more fuel efficient than p150 or atleast offer the at par FE should be made within the p200ns,s platform (instead of the twins the p150 and 180 respectively) and could be launched,there by creating a bigger 20-30cc gap between the previous and next intermediate models (p125/135-p160-p200) preventing chances for further in brand cannibalization and identity distinction.


Now as far as what i have understood is that, BAL is now giving more importance towards making more powerful smaller displacement engine unit with more FE (p200 ns, duke 200 and the new d125 st etc) than a less powerful higher displacement engine (p220,d150 etc)which returns lower FE.so if you take this criteria into consideration the current d150 also seem to see the axe and in its void we may be able to see a commuter discover 150st similar in the lines of the current p135 ls though even more advanced with also sharing goodies of d125 st there by able to crate a class redefining and class leading commuter completing the highest point at which a commuter can be at and also will be a suitable replacement for void left by p150.

at the end the product portfolio could look like this

boxer 100 - boxer 150 - platina 100 - dtsi twin spark discover 1004g - discover 125st -discover 150st (a more radical and sportier cousin in a current p135sh like design lines and also being more powerful alternative and yet staying true to its FE genes) - triple spark pulsar 125/135ls - p160 - p200ns - p200ss (highway oriented and fully faired even more focused version which serves as a successor to the current fastest indian p220 dtsi) - finally ktms and kawasakis....

dont know about other upcoming bikes from bajaj but p125 ns will definately see the light of the day....as they have that ktm 125 engine ready to use which will result in parts sharing and cost saving which are two important policies of bajaj....

most probably i would say it should be a p135 with 135cc triple spark 4 valve engine based on the co developed platform by bajaj for ktm as well as BAL. i wouldn't be surprised if those lower cc versions up to 150cc cubic capacity could very well turn out to be an air and oil cooled version rather than equipped with liquid cooling as a means to put in more practical and easy and simple technology and to reduce costs though i am not sure on whether it is possible to make carbed air and oil cooled unit out of that new p200ns platform. If it is possible,l'd say let such an air cooled version come at the first place for the next gen p135 ls and after some 2-3 years max let them come up the LC version of it and transfer the then older air cooled triple spark version of the engines to the discovers also just like the 4 valve tech of current p135ls got transferred to the discover 125st.
(ps.again who knows what all things are gonna happen in the future and who knows what all things are planned by RB...and still again silly me is speculating wildly....so guys please don't take it seriously guys as i could be saying the dumbest things ever i am just saying my opinions he he.... )

@xBHPians, If you want to indulge in Hero / Honda Discussions, I suggest you people to make a new thread for it. I assure you if it is posted within the next hour, I will make it a point to approve it before I go to sleep. But please stop filling this thread about a Bajaj Bike Launch with OTs.

Thank you

Enough Blab erring......Come to the Topic....

So we have Two New Introductions from Bajaj, I really love the way Bajaj is bringing New Products then and there, But to be a matter of fact even the Bajaj service must have trouble in identifying things in their Bikes because they have lot of Models in the Same Name.....

This is yet another Bike from Bajaj, Only things is a different Frame with some additional Power, Monoshock is something which Indian Manufacturers should have to go for, So we have few more bike to get this Transformation, Except TVS all the manufaturers are getting this Monoshock incorporated.

WHAT in the name of all that is holy is going on with the rear wheel and all that BLACK PLASTIC????

My gawd Bajaj you have gone so overboard this time I am laughing my guts out!!! This is looking plain silly man!!! ROFL!!!

Can't understand what's the fuss about rear tyre hugger? it was always there on discover!! anyway of all the things on offer, is the rear tyre hugger that critical? can it affect buying pattern?

The Bike Looks like made for "Chirapunji",,,,, Completely Saving for Rainy days.....

The bike looks good... and engine specs too..
Headlight looks like Xcd135 from side profile.

Only thing bad is they named as Sports Tourer... Why that..!

Other than that, console and brake light looks good.

Looking forward to its pricing.

@Mods, who where there at the launch, got any idea when 200NS hit showrooms?
Zigwheels reported Display bikes in MH by may end and rest of the country by JULY ! ! ! ! Is that true?

The headlight looks kind of similar to XCD 135 model which was earlier launched by Bajaj. However the bike gives a fresh look. Discover has made its mark as the best commuting vehicle due to its low fuel consumption, hence Bajaj might not face much problems regarding the sales figure of this bike.