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  • #16
    I am imagining a print ad with a 250R and Rajiv Bajaj standing beside it, showing the finger... just like the Bentley ad.

    I think the news is being hyped. As said by Warren Buffett: "In the business world, the rearview mirror is always clearer than the windshield."
    Last edited by pulsater; 12-19-2008, 10:59 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by pulsater View Post
      I am imagining a print ad with a 250R and Rajiv Bajaj standing beside it, showing the finger... just like the Bentley ad.

      I think the news is being hyped. As said by Warren Buffett: "In the business world, the rearview mirror is always clearer than the windshield."
      well! With regard to Ninja 250R, its kawasaki

      If Ninja 250R does well in the longer run... kwaks might as well open a shop here and show the same finger to rajiv Bajaj

      ...having said that by no means will Ninja 250 change the fortunes of Bajaj. Bajaj will have to work hard to rejuvenate itself. This is a potential show-stopper, I guess they'll have to go back to the boards and take a relook at the design.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by shark80 View Post
        well! With regard to Ninja 250R, its kawasaki
        tell me something I dont know
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        • #19
          Is it the right time to launch a Ninja250R ?
          It doesn't look like that to me. Sure - there will still be many people ready to buy it...its a niche segment I guess..after all you could use the example of the R15 which is "still selling in good nos" to counter my point but ...

          I dont think Rajiv Bajaj launching a 250R all of a sudden is gonna happen anytime soon.... there has to be a some kind of an improvement in the economic environment before we see the next wave of high profile launches - my 2 cents.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by TomRider View Post
            It is good for Bajaj to know that quality does matter, quantity doesn't! But one month's sales figure is not at all enough to conclude everything. Good if Honda can keep up the pace till the 1st quarter of 2009.
            I would like to add here that Bajaj seems to be working on improving the quality of parts in their bikes.The progress is slow but it's there.That's a good thing considering that they started late than say,HH,and are constantly working hard to keep up.
            Consider this,the Pulsar 150(Wolf-eyes) that was launched in the start of 2007 had a metal silencer that was prone to rusting at the ends.
            Notice now,that the new P150s have a different black exhaust.
            And obviously Bajaj cannot(should not) be compared to Yamaha or Honda since Bajaj hasnt been making bikes since 1955.
            In my opinion,Bajaj's bikes are more practical than their Japanese rivals.And that is a good thing to start with.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by nightwing View Post
              I would like to add here that Bajaj seems to be working on improving the quality of parts in their bikes.The progress is slow but it's there.That's a good thing considering that they started late than say,HH,and are constantly working hard to keep up.
              Consider this,the Pulsar 150(Wolf-eyes) that was launched in the start of 2007 had a metal silencer that was prone to rusting at the ends.
              Notice now,that the new P150s have a different black exhaust.
              And obviously Bajaj cannot(should not) be compared to Yamaha or Honda since Bajaj hasnt been making bikes since 1955.
              In my opinion,Bajaj's bikes are more practical than their Japanese rivals.And that is a good thing to start with.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sandeep_K_Ram View Post
                Is it the right time to launch a Ninja250R ?
                It doesn't look like that to me. Sure - there will still be many people ready to buy it...its a niche segment I guess..after all you could use the example of the R15 which is "still selling in good nos" to counter my point but ...

                I dont think Rajiv Bajaj launching a 250R all of a sudden is gonna happen anytime soon.... there has to be a some kind of an improvement in the economic environment before we see the next wave of high profile launches - my 2 cents.
                But then the preparation for the launch, if it co-incides with economic slowdown, I think launch will still take place. After all it's an import, and it's expected to be continued on & on, amidst different stages of boom & depression.

                I think it's the right time. See, even if they sell less, each sale will result in profits many times bigger than economy bikes ...

                Still, I "personally" say they won't be released before April in any case, as mechanics have not yet received training for it...
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                • #23
                  i guess indians are finally getting quality consious . by saying that i dont mean Bajaj Bikes are not good quality , but from the begining i have been hearing about the gear problem in Pulsar's, even though they have gone through a plethora of cosmetic change the gear problem has been sadly looked upon. With that kind of attitude, it was evident .
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by shabbarak View Post
                    i guess indians are finally getting quality consious . by saying that i dont mean Bajaj Bikes are not good quality , but from the begining i have been hearing about the gear problem in Pulsar's, even though they have gone through a plethora of cosmetic change the gear problem has been sadly looked upon. With that kind of attitude, it was evident .
                    Have you really ever ridden a Pulsar 200 or a 220? Or for that matter even the new 180's?

                    The gearbox problem was sorted out in the UG2 itself... infact i suggest you test ride a P200, is a very smooth bike... i had a chance to ride it for a day, and I was very skeptical because of what I have heard and my experience with the older pulsars... but I really loved it very much!
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                      Have you really ever ridden a Pulsar 200 or a 220? Or for that matter even the new 180's?

                      The gearbox problem was sorted out in the UG2 itself... infact i suggest you test ride a P200, is a very smooth bike... i had a chance to ride it for a day, and I was very skeptical because of what I have heard and my experience with the older pulsars... but I really loved it very much!
                      I've rode all those P series you mentioned and liked P200 very much. But how good are they when compared to zma, unicorn/hunk/xtreme, Fz/R15? Having said that its not just the transmission and clutch that plagues P' bikes, its the other small niggling issues that crop up frequently and then that annoys the user.

                      Its not that every P bikes have problems, its just that most bikes are problem prone. Even if few bikes are problem prone, word of mouth spreads fast and people start to avoid the bikes/company.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by shark80 View Post
                        I've rode all those P series you mentioned and liked P200 very much. But how good are they when compared to zma, unicorn/hunk/xtreme, Fz/R15? Having said that its not just the transmission and clutch that plagues P' bikes, its the other small niggling issues that crop up frequently and then that annoys the user.

                        Its not that every P bikes have problems, its just that most bikes are problem prone. Even if few bikes are problem prone, word of mouth spreads fast and people start to avoid the bikes/company.
                        Yes, Pulsars have some "common" issues like vibrations, etc.

                        Still, these "Some" bikes are problematic, mostly due to ill maintanence by the service centre. Take my P180 for example, it has started over-heating recently only...

                        Earlier (3-4k kms on odo), I used to touch 9 krpm frequently & for 1 hour constantly. If I do it now, the engine just heats & ignitions slows down & then goes off... Then, it won't start again for 10 minutes, until it cools down ...

                        What have the service centre done till now on my bike? Clean bike, Change oil, Clean Air filter .. that's all?!!
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by shark80 View Post
                          I've rode all those P series you mentioned and liked P200 very much. But how good are they when compared to zma, unicorn/hunk/xtreme, Fz/R15? Having said that its not just the transmission and clutch that plagues P' bikes, its the other small niggling issues that crop up frequently and then that annoys the user.

                          Its not that every P bikes have problems, its just that most bikes are problem prone. Even if few bikes are problem prone, word of mouth spreads fast and people start to avoid the bikes/company.
                          You seems to have a personal thing against bajaj, if you will go through the Karizma/Hunk/extreme/R 15/FZ 16 Ownership experience thread, you can easily learn that these bikes also suffer from small as well as serious niggles.

                          I have used a karizma with you want to compare with P series of bikes for more than 2 years and 40000 kms and i can make you sure this bike also has its own share of problems which sour the overall ownig experince.

                          And Bajaj may have slipped down to third place but still Bajaj is the Largest and Number one 2 wheelr exporter of india.

                          And you should mind the fact that making a niche for yourself in Global
                          market requires Quality matching global standards.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BANDHAV View Post
                            You seems to have a personal thing against bajaj
                            ah! man, why go personal? Its just a discussion, if you dont like my participation, I'll back off.

                            Originally posted by BANDHAV View Post
                            And Bajaj may have slipped down to third place but still Bajaj is the Largest and Number one 2 wheelr exporter of india.

                            And you should mind the fact that making a niche for yourself in Global
                            market requires Quality matching global standards.
                            Quality was never Bajaj's strength, even though they tried to address it, but i dont think they gave it a priority. Bajaj bikes still deteriorates pretty quickly. Your last line is true, Bajaj is up there alright, but they are coming down rapidly. I mean HMSI beating BAL with just four products in the market.... beat that!

                            I was working for autodesk MED's editing product called "smoke" in 2005, they are used in editing movies. There were a few crashes reported for smoke7.0, the QA Manger shrugged off saying those were known crashes showing me a big list of known crashes, those bugs were there in the previous releases, she was not interested in those legacy crashes, she was just looking if the newly injected features were working fine. We all know how Maya came out of 3D Max and why.

                            This is how they work. New features are priority, old nagging issues can take time unless something dramatic as this happens.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by shark80 View Post
                              Quality was never Bajaj's strength, even though they tried to address it, but i dont think they gave it a priority. Bajaj bikes still deteriorates pretty quickly.
                              torque_ankur P150 Dtsi v1 70+ k, its still going strong.

                              C_sbk P180 Dtsi v2 80+ k, its still going strong.

                              leon_nerd P150 100+ k, its still going strong.

                              Originally posted by shark80 View Post
                              I mean HMSI beating BAL with just four products in the market.... beat that!
                              Just to update your GK, HMSI has 7 products. Please dont talk about engine sharing.
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                              • #30
                                Look at it this way,shark sir: Bajaj has more higher cc bikes(150 and plus)out on the road than any other manufacturer. More people buy it. More are they used. More are they serviced properly/improperly. Hence More are the people complaining about the bike's problems.
                                If less people bought it. Less would be on the road. Less would be used. Less would be serviced improperly. Less will be the people complaining.

                                P.S.: Which bike of Bajaj have you owned?
                                Last edited by nightwing; 12-23-2008, 02:17 AM.
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