Guys guys nuff said .. dont let this heat up more..

Bajaj will be down sometime or the other, even HMSI will be. Too bad the P200 didnt exist even when i bought my bike.. it's a lovely bike to have. even the P220 is butter smooth (after riding Pranay's abhi tak problem free P220.. shhh )

be glad that bajaj actually brought out a good Fi bike instead of the mockery of Fi by HH (read : glamour Fi) ..

as for HH i have been sick of the dealers here in tumkur thanks to not even keeping even 1% of the spare parts listed for my bike (which is the CBZ-x). Problems are everywhere and generalising such aspects is pure nonsense. its like predicting the weather in bangalore while you're sampling the weather of delhi....

my point is every dog has its day, today its HMSI, tomorrow it may be BAL you just pick the best product the dog offers and live with it without *****ing.


OT (not related to bikes)
and about quality issues ..
in 2007 the Honda Civic Left hand (USA etc) (india has right hand side drive) side drive models were recalled (over steering column issues) .. and over 10,000 units

so .. yeah.

What do you mean by this anyway ???

hey sorry guys if i offended anyone , but i was speaking through expirence , some 10-12 yrs back i had bought a KB 100 RTZ and was so impressed by the bike that when it got stolen some 2 years later i again bought a new KB 100, but then the quality had really detioriated and the bike was full of problem , i suppose by that time Kawasaki was no more with Bajaj. had to sell it in 6 months and Buy a Shogun.

Just stating my experiance .

arrey...touch wood touch wood .

Also, Not to mention Kawasaki calling back all their Ninjas a few years back due a brake calliper issue.

Bajaj might be waiting for the storm to end, and my opinion is that they are lining up a string of launches for 2009.

Amidst the wilderness of Indian traffic,you need more torque low down turning the wheels to get out of the them every now and then.
More torque everywhere means you change gears less and the bike can pull away from anywhere easily.

Now consider the headlights,Bajaj's bike have brilliant illumination while their Jap cousins Gladiator and Unicorn feel like they have a candle instead of a headlight.

The space between the console and the visor in Bajaj's bikes is good enough for keeping a book or two. The Yamahas(barring the R15)cannot hold a pencil between in that space.

You need suspension that soaks bumps not amplifies them so that you can corner quickly and crash.

For everyday runs in India,Bajaj's bikes/HH bikes are ideal.
On the track of course the Japs will massacre/mutilate Bajaj/HH. But how often does a common man goes racing on the track?

Did I make myself clear?

P.S.: I seem to get an impression that you took my statement personally and against your new Unicorn. Trust me,my respect for Japs is immense,especially the Unicorn. But that cant change the truth can it? I too,am looking to buy a bike soon and if I had my way (and money) then I would get the Unicorn with my eyes closed.

wait n watch guys.... believe me bajaj guys never sit idle. There is smething cooking inside bajaj. Very soon a new model will b coming out which will again revert what had happend in the time of PUlsar. WIth a new model which may be comparable to the newst challenges like FZ etc. The stronghold of bajaj is the price they offer to the consumers.

I think a gd FI in the 150 cc segment will boost the sales of the bikes in INdia. sme cost will hav to b transffered to the consumer but in the end they will get the bonus of an FI in 150cc and that too frm Bajaj. Bajaj hav to work more abt the FI techs that are offered now in P220. As far as I knw FI will act as the savior for ailing carburated technology.

Nice. Just two points I had to ask you.

1. Are you sure about the new model?

2. Are you sure carburettor technology is ailing?

Fact THEN: Bajaj put self start and alloys in the bikes at reasonable costs than the competition and became a huge success. Overall quality of the product average.

Fact NOW: Competition offers overall better products , especially in the engine department. People are now more aware of the word QUALITY. Bajaj is feeling the effect! Yamaha seems to have woken up, thank God!!!

Fact FUTURE: Honda is on the verge of waking up, thank God in advance!!! And as announced they will put FI in all their bikes slowly and it will be anytime, anywhere better than what Bajaj could or may offer!!!

Fact CONCLUSION: Bajaj will need to rub its balls up and down to come up with terms against the rising Japs!!! and its not happening so easily.

SO TRUE...

I smell fumes out of the flames of burning balls...

Whether we like it or not... Bajaj is not living up to the expectations it had built when pulsar was launched 6 years back, they improved it with DTSi but after that... NOTHING..

They changed wheels to 17 inch but didn't change the gearing which in turn decreased the top speed, the LED tail is of the worst quality in the market!!

Well.. look at TVS, a domestic company and doing a brilliant job with their RTR & their FI too works flawlessly..

Competition is surely a good thing

it would be wise to know the number of bikes sold (excluding scooters) before we comment on this.
Its has been a wonderful touring experience so far with my 220.
She is as reliable as her counterparts.
i have toured with ZMA's, R 15's etc....and i feel proud that an Indian company(Bajaj & TVS both) is able to compete with Jap giants.
Think from a broader perspective - we as a country should grow - allowing manufactures from other countries enjoy monopoly in our country is not going to help us grow !!
Having said that, competition is surely beneficial.

People claiming this is because of the quality issues/product inferiority etc are just misguided. What the boss says is right. Quarterly performance is only a short term measurement. What matters is the end of the year results.

As far as being loyal to bajaj just coz its a desi company goes,am not for it man!!!
i am a restaining myself from being an emotional Indian here....but hey! these guys have managed to give u 19.7bhp, projector headlamps, twin discs, 120 rear tyre, fuel injection in just around a lakh of rupees....cant take that credit away ppl.

You know we want it cheap at the same time durable long-lasting and better than the best, well if you are payin an amount for a BAJAJ p-220, u dont get a ducatti..if u want that quality, then stop cribbing and pay up another 30 lakhs...
SiMpLe.

Well said!!

Also no point in paying the premium if it's not justified accordingly.

HMSI is holding up its growth story, does anyone have BALs and TVS numbers for December.

HMSI Dec sales up 32 pc; annual plant shut down till Jan 2- Two-wheelers-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times