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**iNaresh** · 07-15-2013, 04:01 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by riot View Post

A Small update for Dukers looking for finance schemes

On-road price in Delhi is 2,01,580

Bajaj finance is offered on duke and it is at 11.5% interest.
Downpayment was 63k and 36 EMIs of around 5500.

Checked with Vijaya Bank, though i will have to open 2 accounts (1 for me, 1 for my guarantor) and it will take approx 15 days for everything to complete, the end cost is much less:
Downpayment is 41580 and 36 EMIs 5200

So, Dont get trapped in Private Bank's finance schemes. Look for a Govt bank finance scheme for ur Dukes. Jago Ghrahak Jago

Why u need to wait for ur Dukes is a little secret. But it will be worth the wait. First lot will be delivered in nxt 3 weeks.

+1 for this, Even Bajaj Auto Finance charges about 4% Processing fee over loan Amount,

I am taking loan from Canera Bank..... Processing fee is 0.01 or upto Rs. 250/- (whichever is less)

I will save over Rs. 8000/- for choosing this, + good relationship in bank, + Good Bank record for future super bike loan.

**AmitRavi07** · 07-15-2013, 04:16 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by Cyrus_the_virus View Post

The below quote should answer your question. The point is, they did NOT figure out that they have to alter the exhaust pipe when they were fitting the engine into the frame. It was a no brainer that the pipe has to be desinged from the very beginneing that way to fit into the frame. Just to clear the air, it's not a dent. It's by design. No one says that an exhaust has to be perfectly round else there is a quality issue!

Personally I don't have any issues with cable clutches, but hydraulics are way more easy on fingers.

**forty6** · 07-15-2013, 06:17 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

woah! looks like jobless anonymous, except why didn't I notice this before.

So the review got delayed and the Nikasil( or some such) coated cylinders fell apart. Though i agree there might be some issue which the company might be trying to sort, but Alan Cathcart ( i think it was him only) has already done a review of the 390 in Austria. Ok, maybe not review, just an initial impression. So it is not that no impression of the bike exists.

And one thing that bothers me is that why is no one commenting on why is this site holding on the review and under whose request or pressure? If and only if this is delayed due to some problems, it will be honest on the site's part to let us know of the problem. It is for us to then judge whether the problem is rectified when we go for a test ride or not. Hopefully the will let us know what the issue for keeping the review under wraps was. I hope it is just the strike or some small teething problems. But till the time sites start putting it out, it is fun to read about half a less bhp, exposed wires and hydraulic clutches.

P.S: There are new licensing norms in Britain/ Europe now. The 390, last i read, was out of reach of early learners ( A2 as far as i remember) because its power to weight ratio was a bit high compared to what was allowed. European market is, for now, a big one for KTM, they might be attempting to reduce power or some such thingmajig to slot it in that licensing group. Just a thought, not sure about it.

**mohitahuja** · 07-15-2013, 06:30 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by forty6 View Post

woah! looks like jobless anonymous, except why didn't I notice this before.

So the review got delayed and the Nikasil( or some such) coated cylinders fell apart. Though i agree there might be some issue which the company might be trying to sort, but Alan Cathcart ( i think it was him only) has already done a review of the 390 in Austria. Ok, maybe not review, just an initial impression. So it is not that no impression of the bike exists.

And one thing that bothers me is that why is no one commenting on why is this site holding on the review and under whose request or pressure? If and only if this is delayed due to some problems, it will be honest on the site's part to let us know of the problem. It is for us to then judge whether the problem is rectified when we go for a test ride or not. Hopefully the will let us know what the issue for keeping the review under wraps was. I hope it is just the strike or some small teething problems. But till the time sites start putting it out, it is fun to read about half a less bhp, exposed wires and hydraulic clutches.

P.S: There are new licensing norms in Britain/ Europe now. The 390, last i read, was out of reach of early learners ( A2 as far as i remember) because its power to weight ratio was a bit high compared to what was allowed. European market is, for now, a big one for KTM, they might be attempting to reduce power or some such thingmajig to slot it in that licensing group. Just a thought, not sure about it.

As mentioned by ktm a small throttle limiter is fitted by the dealers for A2 licence compliance

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**riazmomin** · 07-15-2013, 06:36 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by Syed Zakir Ahamed View Post

Dent on the Silencer to fit it in the frame. lol... This brings a big Question for the Quality Check in India by KTM.

You expect to have new frame so that the wider exhaust pipe and larger engine fits in the frame or you expect to have a small alteration in shape (not dent) so that the tried and tested frame remains the same?

**Sarfarazkarim** · 07-15-2013, 06:54 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

In Vasant Kunj KTM showroom the test ride bike has not arrived yet, wondering how late the deliveries of the first lot would be?

Originally posted by AmitRavi07 View Post

Had a talk with the KTM guy at CP, he informed me that the deliveries would only start by late August at best. His speculation is that the production at the Chakan plant is affected by the strike. Maybe thats why the reviews have been put on hold, so that it would be revealed closer to the delivery dates.

**sparky** · 07-15-2013, 07:12 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by Cyrus_the_virus View Post

The below quote should answer your question. The point is, they did NOT figure out that they have to alter the exhaust pipe when they were fitting the engine into the frame. It was a no brainer that the pipe has to be desinged from the very beginneing that way to fit into the frame. Just to clear the air, it's not a dent. It's by design. No one says that an exhaust has to be perfectly round else there is a quality issue!

The one on the right can only be called dent, because it is done purely to accommodate the pipe in the restricted space. That cannot be by design, or else why would they need to bring it back to original dia?

**Sarfarazkarim** · 07-15-2013, 07:49 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by sparky View Post

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The one on the right can only be called dent, because it is done purely to accommodate the pipe in the restricted space. That cannot be by design, or else why would they need to bring it back to original dia?

Bajaj has built a new, bigger engine of the 390 (not bored 200) and the frame is same as of 200 so to fit the exhaust pipe inside the frame bajaj has bend the pipe in order to fit.
There is nothing wrong in that, how does it matter if it is bend or straight?

**darkside_of_d_sun** · 07-15-2013, 07:52 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

I had test ridden the Duke 390 on the first day it was available in the Connaught Place showroom in Delhi for TD. Also, some of us were lucky to get our test rides without a pillion. My observations:

Duke 200 is better built than the 390, period. The cost cutting shows pretty glaringly if you are in the mood to observe.
The gearing is taller and it doesnt accelerate frenetically as you would think. We couldnt get out of first two gears in CP traffic so will reserve judgement for another day.
The Metzellers are lovely, didnt spin up when we accelerated hard out of turns on cold tires. But costing at 12K rupees/tire and lasting for only 8-K kms, thats an expensive ownership cost to have!
The bike seriously heats up, even at 35 degress of ambient temparature. KTM has to fix it else you cant ride this thing in India without painting the road green with coolant

And this could be the main reason they have held up the deliveries and reviews. The media and corporations have been in bed together for decades now, dont expect any mag or mainstream website to break this nexus

**sparky** · 07-15-2013, 07:58 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by Sarfarazkarim View Post

Bajaj has built a new, bigger engine of the 390 (not bored 200) and the frame is same as of 200 so to fit the exhaust pipe inside the frame bajaj has bend the pipe in order to fit.
There is nothing wrong in that, how does it matter if it is bend or straight?

It does matter because now the exhaust gas is being throttled before being expunged, it affects back pressure for one. This is pure jugaad, don't you think for a performance bike?

**darkside_of_d_sun** · 07-15-2013, 08:01 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by sparky View Post

It does matter because now the exhaust gas is being throttled before being expunged, it affects back pressure for one. This is pure jugaad, don't you think for a performance bike?

Technically you are right, however I am sure KTM would have factored this in and made suitable adjustments. But boy does that look ugly and jugaadish

**splus** · 07-15-2013, 08:02 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by sparky View Post

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The one on the right can only be called dent, because it is done purely to accommodate the pipe in the restricted space. That cannot be by design, or else why would they need to bring it back to original dia?

Come on people, it's a simple DENT BY DESIGN.
Yes, I agree, it is a bit of a eye sore, but if you look inside you'll see the engine takes up all the space.
KTM wanted to keep the same frame, so the ONLY way to fit the pipe was to make a dent. This isn't a big deal... It isn't even a small deal.
They could have narrowed the pipe at that place, would that be any different from denting it?

One thing is for sure - engineers know how to measure dimensions of frame and engine and pipes, they've been to school.
They aren't assembling a bike and then at the last moment realizing "Oh, wow, we TOTALLY forgot about the exhaust pipe! Damn, where shall we put it now?..."

**AmitRavi07** · 07-15-2013, 08:06 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by darkside_of_d_sun View Post

I had test ridden the Duke 390 on the first day it was available in the Connaught Place showroom in Delhi for TD. Also, some of us were lucky to get our test rides without a pillion. My observations:

Duke 200 is better built than the 390, period. The cost cutting shows pretty glaringly if you are in the mood to observe.
The gearing is taller and it doesnt accelerate frenetically as you would think. We couldnt get out of first two gears in CP traffic so will reserve judgement for another day.
The Metzellers are lovely, didnt spin up when we accelerated hard out of turns on cold tires. But costing at 12K rupees/tire and lasting for only 8-K kms, thats an expensive ownership cost to have!
The bike seriously heats up, even at 35 degress of ambient temparature. KTM has to fix it else you cant ride this thing in India without painting the road green with coolant

And this could be the main reason they have held up the deliveries and reviews. The media and corporations have been in bed together for decades now, dont expect any mag or mainstream website to break this nexus

can you explain the not built as good as d200 part. I havnt ridden d200 extensively, but felt the same.

**sparky** · 07-15-2013, 08:18 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by splus View Post

Come on people, it's a simple DENT BY DESIGN.

One thing is for sure - engineers know how to measure dimensions of frame and engine and pipes, they've been to school.
They aren't assembling a bike and then at the last moment realizing "Oh, wow, we TOTALLY forgot about the exhaust pipe! Damn, where shall we put it now?..."

Actually, this happens a lot more out there than we suspect. Let's hope this is not the case here.

**darkside_of_d_sun** · 07-15-2013, 08:40 PM

re: KTM Duke 390 Launched in India at Rs 1.8 Lakhs: xBhp News

Originally posted by AmitRavi07 View Post

can you explain the not built as good as d200 part. I havnt ridden d200 extensively, but felt the same.

The plastic bits are flimsier, the taping of the wires below the dash is crude, non steed braided brake lines. But please understand, these things arent deal breakers, the bike is immensely VFM and I am sure on an open road it will be faster than anything else made in India currently. The engine heat up is a deal breaker is a deal breaker though and I hope they fix it and launch the bike soon.

P.S. Why the hell would a company launch a bike with 0 inventory? Thats pure bull dung to me!

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