Re: Triumph Motorcycles Launch 10 motorcycles in India : Price, specs and more


Street Triple will be 7.6L Ex-showroom Bangalore. Add Road tax of 13.3% and Insurance of ~15K plus dealership charges of 5K. Should cost you 8.8L On-road Bangalore.

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Your post is fundamentally incorrect at each and every level, as I would now like to explain.

1: There is no such thing as a wind blast gauge. Period.

2: I do believe that what you are referring to is the Wind Tunnel.

3: Wind tunnel is used for doing aerodynamic testing. Of the Vehicle. The result when calculated gives the drag coefficient. For example Ferrari F12Berlinetta is 30% more fuel efficient as to the predecessor, courtesy a less drag.

4: Every rider has different dimensions, so the results will be different for different rider will be different. Thus you cant measure drag in a bike, unlike in a car. Also on a bike, more than one positions are possible, crouched, upright, etc etc, so there goes you logic.

5: Lastly it is about getting a wind tunnel in the first place. A wind tunnel costs 40-50 million US $ to build. F1 Framework: Inside wind tunnels Can Triumph afford it???

And as for me being restless, my posts per day is 0.18. Talk about being restless. And go get a life.

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you got me wrong on the ninja.

I was not comparing bikes.

was comparing the mode of operation of getting ninja here and selling it and yet pricing it sanely.

It too is bought in ckd from thailand assembled here and sold, same what triumph is gonna do so the justification of pricing it higher than what was declared goes to show that either they grossly miscalculated stating up operations in India (quite possible) or they want to cash in more profits now or probably adjust the prices such way that whatever plans they might have submitted to management are justified.

all depends on response now and I feel they are in for a rude shock.

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I don't know which comment of HyperRetard you are talking about..

Anyway, it seems you have misread most of my sentences. Let me make myself clear.
1. I never said that the Daytona and the Ninja are the same bikes. I very well know the differences between a sport tourer and supersport. Never did I say that both of them need to be priced equally. What I meant was D675 costs 1.6875 times the N650 in the USA. If the same scale of pricing would have been applied here in India, it would have cost 8.45 Lakh(i.e N650's 5.01L*1.6875). I never said that the D675R should cost 5L like the Ninja. I don't see any reason why that same scale cannot be applied here as both face similar percentage of taxes, both being CKD.

2. I never said that the Daytona should cost the same here as in USA. D675R costs 8.45L on road in USA. If the pricing scale that I mentioned in point 1 is followed, it would have become 8.45L ex-showroom/10.15L on road in India. If Kawa managed to get a $8K bike to India at 5.01L ex-sh, then Triumph should definitely be able to bring it at 8.45L ex-sh as both are CKD. Not to mention Kawa isn't making any losses by selling the bike at that price. The costs added are on the basis of percentage. So, the price should increase in a multiplicative way. If economics are to be brought up here, why only Daytona is affected and not the Ninja?

3. By the term 'dirty bucks', I didn't mean that the money that the customers spend is dirty. What I meant was that the way that Triumph is making those extra bucks is dirty by overpricing some models. Also, no need to address me as 'sir'

I think you have not taken a look at the pricing difference between the models. If the weaking INR and other taxes are to be blamed, the price increase would have been linear across all the models. But Daytona shows the steepest increase. Even if the non R daytona is considered, it won't be cheaper than 10L and even at that point, the increase stands at 42.86% which is the highest which clearly shows Triumph's intention of making more money due to the lack of competition.

PS By multiplying the numbers, I'm giving the advantage to Triumph, not the other way around.
For e.g,(All the numbers quoted are just as an example, I don't know the exact tax percentage) if the prices of both the bikes in USA are considered as base prices for both i.e 500657 for Ninja with today's exchange rate and 844902 for D675R, both will face similar taxes as they follow similar CKD routes. Assuming that 20% tax is applicable here,
N650's cost becomes 500657+20% = 600788
D675's cost becomes 844902+20% = 1013882

Thc N650's on road price is within the amount obtained. The D675's on road price is about 3.5L more than the number obtained.

Considering the actual OTR price of N650 of 547831 mentioned by you, Ninja is being sold for 9.42% more than the US price.
Considering D675R's OTR of 1350000, it is being sold for 33.15% more than the US price.
If it was for taxes or the INR or our country's economy alone, the difference wouldn't have been so steep.

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so how does one book in NCR ??

cheers

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+1 to the perspective, superbly argued. The "Sir" is an appellation of courtesy usually observed in earlier times for such discussions. It instantly removes tendencies towards rude and ungentlemanly language and helps keep the debate on an intellectually stimulating plane.

There are, in my reading, only two reasons for the admittedly strange pricing of the Daytona. I am speculating these reasons as a guess, namely:

A) Triumph wants to pitch it as a premium performance bike ergo the premium price based on aspirational values of the brand and associated product. It hopes to make super profits on the bike and in doing so, balance the margin losses suffered on other models. In this, Triumph protects its branding philosophy much like Apple does in fones and will not cater to the hoi polloi as a matter of principle. It does not believe in commoditization of the niche occupied by Daytona. And indeed, this is the concept(brand values and philosophy) which is going to hit Triumph very hard if and when it contemplates a 250cc bike, as has been spoken about in the websphere. More on this later.

B) There is/are some issues about differential rates of customs duty on the parts mix making up the Daytona kit. Which parts are sourced from Thailand and which from Hinckley? As an analogy, I remember a case of some years vintage regarding the gearbox of the humble Maruti 800. The tech for this critical item was not given by Suzuki to Maruti on the then cogent grounds that India did not have the scope to absorb the tech and translate it into a finished product as per Suzuki's standards. Therefore, a time came when the entire car was manufactured in India barring the gearbox which was imported in its entirety, as an assembly, from Japan. This issue was a major bone of contention in the JV and the source of much irritation and resentment in the relationship as, with time and increased industrialisation, India did come to possess the ability to manufacture the GB. But the tech was still withheld leading to a suspicion that Suzuki was purposely using it as a lever to prevent Maruti from breaking free of the dependency. Ultimately, the tech was given and Maruti started manufacturing the gearbox too. However, before it was, the price of the car was quite higher than what it should been only on account of the import duties levied on the major assembly i.e. gearbox. Some such issue seems to prevail in the Daytona R case too in a different manner wherein, certain critical parts/sub-assemblies are manufactured in Hinckley and others in Thailand and the whole kit is then sent to India. Naturally, only the parts made in Thailand would enjoy the FTA benefits while the others would be taxed higher.

I personally do not subscribe to Case A simply because the volumes do not justify the sticker shock; at the launched price, there simply won't be enough numbers of Daytonas sold for the equilibrium point to be reached. The company is highly professional in its operations and would be fully aware of the backlash from the market (and here, the worst scenario is present - brand new, Third World, emerging economy, price-critical entry market of highly aware prospects)were it to announce this high a price at launch itself. This negative reaction is already evident from various posts on this thread alone, leave aside other fora on and off the internet. The company is definitely not intent on suicide as is witnessed in the methodical manner of its entry into India vis-a-vis that of Ducati. Now that the initial reaction is anything but positive, much brainstorming would be going on at Triumph HQ to re-think the Daytona R itself as an initial offering and substitute it with the standard Daytona.

I personally believe in Case B especially considering the hi-end components of the Daytona R. Who knows, the parts may well be imported into Thailand, layered with Thai duties which are then passed on to India. A case in point is just one part - the intake valve. Which in the D-R is made of titanium which is extremely difficult to work on (I know that with my interest in aviation and aerospace tech). If it is not produced in Thailand and imported from Hinckley, duties rise, ipso facto costs to manufacturer rise, ergo price to customer rises. There may be some other such parts too like the Ohlins setup etc which cause a jump on the costs and the price.

Yes, most definitely, they will get a very rude shock while accepting bookings and I anticipate the D-R being pulled for the std D. Fingers crossed, eh

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On the road prices Mumbai. Got this message from a friend.

Bonneville 5.7 Lakhs > On the Road Mumbai-6.6 Lakhs

Bonneville T100 6.6L > 7.65L

Thruxton 6.7L > 7.77L

Street Triple 7.5 > 8.7L

Speed Triple 10.5L > 12.18L

Thunderbird Storm 13L > 15.08L

Rocket 3 20L > 23.2L

Tiger 800 XC 12L > 13.92L

Tiger Explorer 17.9l > 20.76L

Daytona 11.4L > 13.2L

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^^^ Sweet

tring tring....... tring tring........ Daytona is not reachable as of now, please try again later!

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I am glad that I went ahead and bought the Ninja 300. Now I can buy another quarter liter or sub 600 and trick the heck out of both the bikes for less than the price of the Daytona.



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Amazing bikes but sadly most out of reach for the aspiring except for the Bonneville. I think the Bonneville is a good deal for people interested in touring. Well, I don't really know why the prices are that high considering they want to establish a market here. But if they start manufacturing here then we can expect those models to get at least 40% cheaper, which might be a long wait of not less than 2 years. The exchange rate is also partly creating this rip off effect.

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Its the daytona which is causing the most furor for obvious reasons but people like me eyeing the street triple still cannot fathom the inflated prices

even if i can buy i wont buy such products for they give me a feeling of being cheated

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Both the cases are definitely possible. I think the case A has some good amount of effect in the price setup too. Triumph might have studied the 'Dhoom fetish' of the Indian market and thought that they could get sales even with high prices. I also think they over estimated the middle class enthusiast and thought that the enthusiasts would still buy their bike by stretching their budgets as they're cheaper than the liter class and it's the only offering in that segment. But if that's indeed their thinking, it's terrible because the rich, showoff type of guys who want Dhoom bikes will just get a liter class as they look bigger than the skinny Daytona and are better for show off any day. As for the middle class guys, stretching the amount by 3L would be too much considering the state of the art Indian salaries

If it's point B, I guess much can't be done

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The new Triumph Video -

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where can I book a triumph in Delhi?????

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I don't think the middle class enthusiast is even a consideration at this price point. This is going to be a rich boy's toy.
I would hate to see this bike being wasted in the hands of posers. I just hope there exists an elite few who have the money, riding skill and the cohones to ride a superb precision cornering machine like this the way its meant to be ridden on a track!