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  • #16
    Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

    Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
    If the engine is air cooled then why there is a radiator? For an AC? or for a turbo?
    Current air cooled gen is already at the max thermal limits. There's no way to pull more than 17 bhp out of air cooled 180cc motors.
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    The big question is what's the new power figures.

    P200ns makes 23.5 bhp. So the almost same but bored down engine should make around 21 bhp. That's almost 24% jump from current gen.
    I think Bajaj just ate new karzmas for breakfast.
    I think it will produce 19-20bhp at max. Bajaj will not kill its own flagship model with its own hands.
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    • #17
      Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

      Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
      If the engine is air cooled then why there is a radiator? For an AC? or for a turbo?
      Current air cooled gen is already at the max thermal limits. There's no way to pull more than 17 bhp out of air cooled 180cc motors.
      ----
      The big question is what's the new power figures.

      P200ns makes 23.5 bhp. So the almost same but bored down engine should make around 21 bhp. That's almost 24% jump from current gen.
      I think Bajaj just ate new karzmas for breakfast.
      It looks like it is just a small cover like in the FZs.. doesn't look like a radiator to me. the power can be again at max 18 bhp and nothing more than that out of a 180cc engine.. if it is, then we will have reliability problems like the engine over heating and etc
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      • #18
        Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

        Just like people say the new Karizmas are not good looking, a mixture of many bikes (but seriously no) this is a cross breed of old gen with new gen pulsar which ended up like this . . . Really hated the rear part of the 150NS, seriously SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. . .

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        • #19
          Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

          Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
          It looks like it is just a small cover like in the FZs.. doesn't look like a radiator to me. the power can be again at max 18 bhp and nothing more than that out of a 180cc engine.. if it is, then we will have reliability problems like the engine over heating and etc


          It looks more like 200ns radiator than design piece on FZ.

          If it's totally aircooled then there's not much space for power bump.
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          • #20
            Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

            Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post


            It looks more like 200ns radiator than design piece on FZ.

            If it's totally aircooled then there's not much space for power bump.

            Agree that it looks like a 200NS radiator, but notice that the 200NS has an steel colored radiator and this looks more like plastic cover to me. Just my opinion. anyways. there is no point in this discussion as we haven't seen the bike and no spec sheet is out better wait for it to be revealed
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            • #21
              Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

              Sorry for my manners but

              Fcuuuuu you bajaj

              Sincerely
              A 200ns owner.

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              • #22
                Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

                Originally posted by Anuj_Gupta View Post
                Sorry for my manners but

                Fcuuuuu you bajaj

                Sincerely
                A 200ns owner.

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                Every year the pulsars are upgraded. Every next version has something better than the previous. You still own a 200ns. So its irrelevent whether the new 180/150 look simillar. There is nothing to crib about here.

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                • #23
                  Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

                  Change is welcome, but the raised seat is destroying the practicality of the bike, for which it was so popular as a family bike(husband, wife and a kid). Guess the classic 150 will stay in the market. And the Chain cover is looking seriously out of place. Guess a full silencer would hide the bland looking rear.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

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                    1) If we look in detail the air cooled engine has corrugated fins like discover. So expect it to be four valved.
                    2) frame is from P200 NS, but the swingarm seems to be new or from old pulsar. Expecting it to be new as it has mono suspension.
                    3) Speedo seems to be from old pulsar
                    4) Why is the mudgaurd covered. It covers two sections and it has a bump. Actually looks like a tail light. The rear portion (tail) is from old pulsar but seems its used only to disguise and it might be replaced with the actual part later.
                    5) lower part of engine that is the crank case is from P200NS. So expect a 6 speed gearbox from KTM.

                    Overall this mix and match gets a thumbs down. Not expected from Bajaj. Expected it to be evolved from current pulsar and will not have any resemblance to P200. Current pulsar which is used by all age groups as it has a moderate design and lower saddle. This new one with raised seat is going to turn of its followers.

                    Bajaj please review this strategy. This might end up like new Apache.
                    Last edited by s_hari; 01-23-2014, 06:46 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

                      IMO this new Pulsar could be 180NS.
                      Reasons being:-
                      1) Making look alike 150cc & 180cc version of 200NS will eliminate the exclusivity of their flagship model, so this new air cooled 180cc will be launched with single seat, a revamped tail section, thinner tyres
                      2) Current Pulsar 150 is the most selling Pulsar, so it will be foolish on Bajaj's part to discontinue it..
                      3) as stated by a member earlier current 150&180 are family bikes..
                      Indian masses buy 150 Pulsar because it has got the power, looks, and above all it has got mileage too...

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                      • #26
                        Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

                        I really don’t think that these are 2 different motorcycles but the one that is single handedly gonna replace the old pulsar twins giving the best of both worlds as if you look at the current gen p150 and 180 twins there isn’t much of a difference between the two considering the package on offer as well the performance and gas mileage figures and this seem to point to the fact that BAL is busy developing a p160 which will give more or less of what the current gen p 150 delivers in accordance with mileage figures as well as deliver the same or more performance of the current gen p180 considering the less weight. What makes me think that it’ll weigh less is the fact that current gen p80 weights the same as that of the NS which kinda tips the scale at hefty 145 kg. And a 160cc machine should technically weigh less than 200cc machine spawned out of the same platform. Now about whether its having a radiator or not, I think this bike is gonna stick with conventional air cooling (I think anyone and everyone could figure that after having one look at the engine which as I noticed is having corrugated fins for better heat dissipation and yes BAL has finally air cooled triple spark head as well) along with an oil cooler instead of a liquid cooled engine as I think this move is done in order to keep things a bit easy on maintenance,easy for repairs, less complexity, and most of all helps in aggressive pricing. Now lets analyse the pics and i would like let out what i think.
                        1.Similar design theme of Pulsar 200NS
                        2.Air cooled / may be an oil cooled unit but it is definitely 4 valve Triple spark unit.Corrugated fins are present for better cooling. i had read somewhere that Rajiv bajaj had indicated that the new platform (ie the current p200ns platform will spawn liquid cooled and air cooled versions as well.
                        3.The new engine seem to be very loosely based on the new discover's engine platform
                        4.Presence of kicker lever on both the test mules suggests even more cost cutting thereby enabling BAL to plonk a less powerful cheaper battery
                        5.Chain cover which might give away to o ringed on unveiling i suspect the same for rear disk brakes as i think they will be on offer at least as an option.
                        6.the long mud guard, i think Bajaj might be testing 2 different mudguard options for the same bike which can also be used to create conclusion that BAL might be looking forward to create sub categories/cheaper options in the same product similar to what discover 125t is to discover 125st.
                        7 So far the meters at least look the same as it is on the p200ns but it could almost be made certain that the unit will be toned down a bit to justify the lower pricing.
                        8.Finally i think the 135ls will get an upgrade too i guess but with baby pulsar still retaining its LS tag than going into the NS bandwagon.
                        and i also think this new motor and model will be responsible for transferring the triple spark tech as well as possibly even the perimeter frame into the discover series as well in the near future.

                        PS. some of these are pure speculations only and what i feel only.
                        Last edited by Dman; 01-23-2014, 07:42 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

                          Well.. me thinks it's new P135NS, looking at the air cooled engine/absence of rear disc brake leads me to think this definitely can't be P180NS. And for people who are worried lot about similarity with 200NS, I think Bajaj auto is going to launch a revamped 200NS with upgraded tail like that of upcoming 200SS.. may be just to give it some exclusivity. It is natural as Bajaj would always look to maximize parts sharing.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

                            Bingo! Just what i thought. P150 is conformed for upgrade but ah...P180 upgrade? Still doubtful.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

                              Originally posted by Dman View Post
                              I really don’t think that these are 2 different motorcycles but the one that is single handedly gonna replace the old pulsar twins giving the best of both worlds
                              Originally posted by Jitu Badlani View Post
                              IMO this new Pulsar could be 180NS.
                              Originally posted by MR ACE View Post
                              Bingo! Just what i thought. P150 is conformed for upgrade but ah...P180 upgrade? Still doubtful.
                              Guys, guys, guys - have you really seen the pics? Very clearly, there are two separate motorcycles and this is the biggest difference:

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                              Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post
                              Well.. me thinks it's new P135NS,

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                              • #30
                                Re: Is this the new Pulsar 150NS/180NS?

                                Originally posted by bbsrailfan View Post
                                Guys, guys, guys - have you really seen the pics? Very clearly, there are two separate motorcycles and this is the biggest difference:
                                Yup I've seen the pics, the only difference which we can draw right now between both test mules are the mudguards
                                & ☟this☟ is what I think Bajaj is doing..
                                Originally posted by Dman View Post
                                6.the long mud guard, i think Bajaj might be testing 2 different mudguard options for the same bike


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