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**mid** · 10-11-2015, 10:23 AM

Re: BMW Single Cylinder 300cc Concept in partnership with TVS

Originally posted by abhiiceman View Post

Everything's sexy except for the extended kind off swingarm length

well it would be a heck lot functional and fun to ride! + providing adequate space for a usable pillion seat without killing the aesthetic dynamics

(wheelbase has been kept short evn with the extended swingarm)
But had to admit the split seat setup(courtesy to the stunt concept) looked better on this, and the seat height seems too low. The rider on the test mule looked too cramped and I think any one close to 6 ft or taller would find it difficult. Ktms seem to be taller, no hint of actual dimensions but still it seems to me like that!

**xplod566** · 10-11-2015, 10:30 AM

Re: BMW Single Cylinder 300cc Concept in partnership with TVS

The console looks so damn cool being a little extended

**Samarth 619** · 10-11-2015, 11:37 AM

Re: BMW Single Cylinder 300cc Concept in partnership with TVS

Originally posted by abhiiceman View Post

Everything's sexy except for the extended kind off swingarm length

I read somewhere that, Sportsbikes benefit from a longer swingarm and shorter wheelbase. Logically, this means you should attach the swingarm as forward on the bike as possible. This is exactly what I see being attempted here, so no worries.

It should be nimble enough, a good handler for racing purpose with good rear tyre grip, from what I predict. Sounds to me like the right kind of setup for street & stunting as well. But I did read that a long swingarm is not the best for high speed Wheelies, although this should not be a big worry on this bike.

Originally posted by xplod566 View Post

The console looks so damn cool being a little extended

Maybe it aims at being removable easily?

**Nithesh** · 10-11-2015, 04:15 PM

Re: BMW Single Cylinder 300cc Concept in partnership with TVS

Im going to predict that the BMW badge will be replaced by TVS logo for Indian market just to keep the price down and make it competitive with the KTMs. Then, the Export model will have different BMW-esque colors and sport a BMW badge to charge a premium to compete with the export prices of KTMs worldwide.

**mid** · 10-11-2015, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

Im going to predict that the BMW badge will be replaced by TVS logo for Indian market just to keep the price down and make it competitive with the KTMs. Then, the Export model will have different BMW-esque colors and sport a BMW badge to charge a premium to compete with the export prices of KTMs worldwide.

I doubt it! 'cos that single badge replacement could shatter the sale figures. They may ideally choose the path of bajaj-ktm and brand them differently for God's sake!

**srt99** · 10-11-2015, 06:38 PM

Re: BMW Single Cylinder 300cc Concept in partnership with TVS

my guess is that it will be branded as bmw motorcycle for all markets.. and it will be priced higher than duke 390 for being "bmw"

**mid** · 10-11-2015, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by srt99 View Post

my guess is that it will be branded as bmw motorcycle for all markets.. and it will be priced higher than duke 390 for being "bmw"

Comparing some manufactures pricing their flagship racing brands in US
KTM RC8 2014 MSRP $16,499
HONDA CBR1000RR SP 2014 MSRP $13,999
BMW S1000RR MSRP 2014 MSRP $15,150
(Pricing according to motorcycle usa)

Why would they price higher than the 390 just for being a BMW? And it is being produced here and is meant for the masses as an entry level product (globally). The whole concept is to up the sales!

**srt99** · 10-11-2015, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by mid View Post

Comparing some manufactures pricing their flagship racing brands in US
KTM RC8 2014 MSRP $16,499
HONDA CBR1000RR SP 2014 MSRP $13,999
BMW S1000RR MSRP 2014MSRP $15,150
(Pricing according to motorcycle usa)

Why would they price higher than the 390 just for being a BMW? And it is being produced here and is meant for the masses as an entry level product (globally). The whole concept is to up the sales!

well if that's the case, and they price it lower than d390, it will he treat for us indians

**Nithesh** · 10-11-2015, 10:24 PM

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I was googling around about what i said earlier here in the thread and it seems that I'm not the only one who sees the dual badging marketing work at play. This is the following excerpt from last year's article.

Originally posted by asphaltandrubber.com

It seems the first BMW machine could be a rebadged TVS, with the Indian company recently showing its Draken concept (shown above), which features a 250cc single-cylinder engine that makes just under 40hp.BMW and TVS are expected to brand their co-built machines separately, and for different markets. The BMW-branded machines will come to Europe and North America, while the TVS machines will go to India, Asia, and other emerging markets.

BMW and TVS are expected to brand their co-built machines separately, and for different markets. The BMW-branded machines will come to Europe and North America, while the TVS machines will go to India, Asia, and other emerging markets.

source: Small-Displacement BMW Motorcycles Debuting in 2015

Think about this. Unlike Bajaj, TVS has no stake in BMW so they cannot let BMW use the BMW tag and get away with it in India and other Asian markets since it would hurt TVS's sales numbers overall and TVS would have nothing to gain from manufacturing and selling BMW badged bikes in India and other local Asian markets.

Anyway if the bike is sold as TVS here, I'm sure the ebay sales of BMW spare badges from the export model will make for a good business

**rreneav1987** · 10-11-2015, 11:07 PM

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this is actually getting exciting.. Am an Indian brand freak and have been waiting to see how the HX250R fairs with the likes of CBR250 and KTM 200cc twins.. however, it hasn't happened till now. Now, with this news, I am eagerly waiting to see a Honda Kick ass from an Indian brand. Will this affect the sales of Honda? I am not sure but will it sell well.. Yes, because TVS has proven themselves with the RTRs.. Well done TVS, waiting to see this bike in flesh

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here is another pic I found.. Looks fantastic.. Bike Porn indeed by BMW

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**Nithesh** · 10-12-2015, 12:19 AM

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For a second i was wondering why Liam Neeson is checking it out

**mid** · 10-14-2015, 06:39 PM

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Think about this. Unlike Bajaj, TVS has no stake in BMW so they cannot let BMW use the BMW tag and get away with it in India and other Asian markets since it would hurt TVS's sales numbers overall and TVS would have nothing to gain from manufacturing and selling BMW badged bikes in India and other local Asian markets.

Ya but may be with no tvs stakes to hold and being the technical partner and tvs being nowhere near bajaj to dictate terms (they're benefiting from the R&D), what if bmw choose to enter one of the largest markets? The terms and conditions on the agreement are still speculations i suppose.
Remember the draken concept? The bikes do resemble each other also with many mechanical differences. What if draken is the ns of tvs? I'm hoping it that way

MG · 10-15-2015, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by mid View Post

I doubt it! 'cos that single badge replacement could shatter the sale figures. They may ideally choose the path of bajaj-ktm and brand them differently for God's sake!

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

Im going to predict that the BMW badge will be replaced by TVS logo for Indian market just to keep the price down and make it competitive with the KTMs. Then, the Export model will have different BMW-esque colors and sport a BMW badge to charge a premium to compete with the export prices of KTMs worldwide.

Nithesh is right.AFAIK the bike will be TVS badged in India. Also the Indian version will mostly get less bhp and no USD forks

@rreneav - This product will not be an Indian brand make unlike the HX or the Duke and RC. The complete development of the bike is done by BMW and TVS has no say in it. They will just produce it in their plant to keep the costs down

**Doga** · 10-15-2015, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by MG View Post

Nithesh is right.AFAIK the bike will be TVS badged in India. Also the Indian version will mostly get less bhp and no USD forks

@rreneav - This product will not be an Indian brand make unlike the HX or the Duke and RC. The complete development of the bike is done by BMW and TVS has no say in it. They will just produce it in their plant to keep the costs down

The fact that the bike would be dual branded was well known from international auto websites. I had no doubt in that. Doesn't make sense for TVS to sell BMW bikes in India.
But can you elaborate a bit more on this?

This product will not be an Indian brand make unlike the HX or the Duke and RC. The complete development of the bike is done by BMW and TVS has no say in it. They will just produce it in their plant to keep the costs down

So this means that the Duke and RC series are co developed. It's nice as a press bite or for marketing but do we know how much co development has happened?
Which exact parts were developed by Bajaj in India for the dukes and the RC series?
I mean, the design looks straight out of Kiska, which leaves the engineering. I always thought the entire initial development(chassis, engine other mechanicals) has been done by KTM in Austria and it's only made here, much like what you suggest for TVS. May be the Bajaj contribution now is small incremental changes like rubber fork seals or improved gaskets or whatever.
This of course excludes the pulsars with their much altered engine heads.
Re the HX, again, from what I know it has entirely been designed and engineered by Buell and hero would only have made it here. Am I missing something?

**payeng** · 10-15-2015, 10:31 PM

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Oh yes the 125/290/390 Duke and RC were developed at Pune by the Bajaj RnD..

It was made public way back in 2007 in official press release.. also was officially stated that same engine platforms would be used for Pulsars

Reason for developing and not just manufacturing in India is huge savings in cost

Design of course was from Kiska

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