@viv.nomad: The biggest source is the Bike India magazine, which in its Feb or April 09 issue reported that Honda is working with MRF for a 120 section rear for their new 150cc bike which might have their awesome PGM-FI too.

Now don't ask why should we believe in mags!!! ...I say, this piece of news sounds believable ! So let's hope its true.

Absolutely true................

If they are catering to uncles..............let uncles admire the company..

and lets talk about some company which has some good offerings and at least think over the mould of "only money centric" approach......

one cant get more straightforward than that

As a matter of fact, Yammy didn't do what you or, we in general wanted them to do.. They were forced to do it, else they were going out of the scene.. It was actually HH, and other makers who made them offer stuffs like R-15, FZ16.. else, Yammy too would prefer to continue milk their old cows like Crux and Glady..

Every businessman wants to churn out the max. profit of the same old offerings as long as possible.. Had you been in their side, what would you do? And, everyone is here to make money... some make money by continuing to offer same old reliable, tested and proven stuff.. some make money by providing cheap builds, cheap parts, LED meters, etc. No one is here to do charity..

Good can have different meaning for different people, for some good means good mileage, for some good power, for some good reliability.. What's your meaning?

If you look at BAL, they offered Pulsar bcoz, when they understood it is hard to beat HH in 100cc segment.. else, they would like to stay in 100cc segment.

Likewise Yammy offered R15, FX16, when they neared to extinction...

But HH offered CBZ, Karizma, when they felt the need for it, they weren't forced to do so unlike it's counter-parts... there was no one in their respective segments back then, when these trend-setters were offered.

So.. it is HH/ HMSI who forced other bikers to offer what you currently find non-Uncle type.. And I bet you won't find any Uncle riding on the new funky coloured CBZX, Hunk...

Exactly! They are slowly and calmly settling out their plans, increasing dealership network for better service.. and once HMSI/ HH is out to offer the real stuff, the after-sales service would be decent enough compared to Yammy, whose dealership network ain't wide compared to HH/ HMSI.

And, I feel if Honda wishes, it can kill the business of almost every segment, but they are kind enough, feeling for the families of the employees and owners of other companies..

@cyclone2k: Exactly, this is somewhat what I said.

@devilpulsarian: Again, as I said earlier...the likes of you and me admire products of Honda India as much as "uncles" might do! Especially Unicorn, being one of the most commuterish motorcycles around it still has one of the best cornering abilities in its class and even beyond. Atleast it corners much better than the pulsar in its class, which by the way is more sporty!!! And not to mention the ride quality of Unicorn is simply unmatchable. So much for being an "uncles" bike!

Honda has got all its basics right with the Unicorn, it does its intended job better than any other motorcycle in its class. And that is what is more important, something which Bajaj (especially) still hasn't managed to do with P150 (I m only mentioning P150 as it is Unicorn's competition).

Yes, I am giving particular example of Unicorn here because I am safely assuming that you think of Unicorn to be an "uncles" bike considering what you think of Honda right now.

Unicorn is a wolf in the sheep's clothing, and I think that this wolf now needs clothes of its own more than anything else!!!

Honda has already done a decent job by introducing Stunner along side Shine. And now people have the choice to buy a very stylish 125cc commuter bike in Stunner which can literally embarrass a few bigger bikes just by its looks! This is also a good example of how a company can maintain uniqueness between its own products in the same segment (FZ16 & R15 are better examples of this but right now we are talking about Honda)!!! It also comes with 17inch tubeless tyres and though this is not a big deal to do, but it shows that Honda is going in the right direction.

With Stunner, Honda have given us hopes and we can be positive that the upcoming 150cc will be a better Stunner to the Unicorn. And if it comes with the PGM-FI, than it will be the best fuel injection system among all Indian bikes without doubt.

So let's talk about this and carry forward this discussion on these lines rather than continue to blame Honda.

Cheers

Any news? The bike was supposed to be out before monsoons, but later I remember reading somewhere that it would come out sooner than expected....

My guess: Bike will have rearsets and shorter handlebars (if not clip-ons), maybe the same disk brake up front, possibility of a rear disk prake (35% chance), Digital meters (hoping they incorporate those), Fi, 120 section rear tire and decent performance. Oh, BTW blistering performance will also do

To keep the cost under control, all these features cant be made as standard features. Clip-ons and 120 rear tyre , digi console should be a must, and the rear disc can be optional.

I wonder how much difference will the PGM-Fi make on the bike!

With Stunner, Honda have given us hopes and we can be positive that the upcoming 150cc will be a better Stunner to the Unicorn. And if it comes with the PGM-FI, than it will be the best fuel injection system among all Indian bikes without doubt.

@satellite Kid : HMSI is already exporting Stunner to UK with 'EFI' (*), HH has the PGMFi, which is the latest from Honda RnD, Osaka,Japan. I guess the Hondas will unleash these 'Fi's once the pollution norms get tightened (early 2010). PGMfi on Glamour was a mistake, they could have put the PFMfi on some other new platform, nevethless, Glamour PGMFi is India's most fuel efficient bike (even beats CD-Delu/Splendor).

(*) source : Honda CBF125 test ride of 2009 Honda 125 Test archive - SuperBike magazine UK for motorbike reviews, motorcycle clothing and accessories tests, used motorbike reviews plus bike wallpaper

HH...............................

do u mean YAMAHA got inspired (forced) by hondas orange colored potpurries....





very true................
but dey went for hibernation after that
zma is in the market for the past 6-7 years with absolutely the same engine...!



slowly and calmly.....
Here since 1984 and they still are slow and calm...



I felt the same when honda decided HMSI....
but today, I can safely say that only yamaha has this capability
Honda will always be no. 1 and content in selling those 97ccs....in India...



There is nothing wrong with Unicorn.Its doing its job of being an 'A to B' commuter (what generaly "Uncles" prefer). The least they could have done is provided us some good "performer" not in terms of 0-60s only but in real terms an out and out scorcher like R15 or something!
Or still better, not bombard India with those colorful potpourries....!




More than 25 years in India and they are still "setting" there basics right....!



Now I really dont think wolves come in so many colors....



Now whats so good about PGM-FI that without being deployed, its being termed as "THE BEST"...



Anyways, having said this, Honda just need to look at India with a serious eye and not 'TOY' with people with those colorful emoticons....
Good bikes and latest technology is expected from them!
They are doing the easiest job of importing there 80s engines and deploying them in India!

For example, the latest they are doing for india is an an all exclusive for indians 100cc......
with a per month sale of around 4 lakh units combined, what figure do they want to achieve to feel content & give us some bikes for enthusiasts...!
And if et all, than let those 100cc owners rejoice and praise there efforts

We have some india-centric companies to look forward to...

okay..! Pardon me, Im a newbie in these tech field. could someone tell me whats so special about PGM-FI ? Is it different than the Electronic Fuel Injection in that of Apache and p220 ???

I assume this out burst against HMSI and your opinions about Unicorn are a result of desperation coming out of the percieved passive response from Honda. I agree with you, but I am afraid you are pushing it a little too far. With the variety of set of wheels you have owned I do not think you overlooked the facts about the abilities of Unicorn and hence will not take the pains of reiterating. A Uni owner myself, I do actually take strong offense to the usage of the term 'Uncles choice' in the manner it is being used in this thread repeatedly.

I appreciate your love for Honda and expectations from them but I am sure there are many more subtle yet stronger ways to vent your frustration Cheers.

Biggest difference is that PGM-FI is Honda's own FI system for its vehicles in different segments, its extremely reliable, tried, tested and being improved continuously for a very long time now! Hence, Honda won't have to work too hard to get it into any of their existing mass oriented bikes in India or any new launches in that segment for that matter Its almost flawless in function! (I am saying this as I haven't read anything bad about it so far in my life)

Whereas FI in P220 and Apache is concerned, it's been supplied by a company called Delphi. But Bajaj and TVS has tuned it according to their preferences in their respective vehicles. I never heard of Delphi before this though!

Whoaaa...where are you from buddy? Delphi makes automotive products and is a large group. Read about Delphi here

Actually when I looked at your post, and saw the following line, I felt that you yourself cleared a lot.

"its extremely reliable, tried, tested and being improved continuously for a very long time now"

The entire reason for this outburst is the statement that you have put out here. When Honda has the technology that it has perfected through years of evolution+improvisation+innovation+perspiration, why are we getting the absolute basic stuff. Remember that Honda has perfected its technology over almost 60 years where as our home manufacturers like Bajaj started a few years back...so think twice before you say anything...

Understand that no one ever said the words Bajaj/TVS or competition...we all know that our home manufacturers are years away from the levels of refinement, design and engineering quality that Honda has today.

We are also not against Honda introducing A-B commuter segment products. Its just that when you introduce 5 models, let at least one of them be a decent scorcher and performance product with all the bells and whistles.

Like it, hate it. YES! They were inspired to colour their bike's tanks with funny colours..

You are true here.. There hasn't been notable updations in it, as there hasn't been any problems in it. Why fix when it's not broken?

I am talking about HMSI.

It is not just about capabilities now.... I too can buy a litre class bike but, that'll hamper my family's budget for years..

The rule of demand and supply says that, it is the consumers who are content in buying those 97ccs..

Yeah.. it'll confuse people to choose the colour, even more..

I feel it is the JV, which keeps Honda to refrain to offer more..

Also crows..

We hope that it shall be deployed..

Okay.. I assume you mean Bajaj cares for Indian bikers seriously? But, their sales figures now say something else now.. What good was their concern and care for the nation? Pity..

Who is a bike enthusiast in your opinion?

Someone who buys every new bike, thrashes smashes and throws it away when another new one is around? Or, someone who has gathered much knowledge about bikes bcoz of the regularly changing troublesome parts..

Here in India, people don't like divorces much.. they prefer having same companion for long.. Hence, Honda..

"Understand that no one ever said the words Bajaj/TVS or competition..."

Niranjan, I mentioned Bajaj/TVS in reply to Shadowfax post where he wanted to know the difference between PGM-FI and Fi system used in P220 and Apache! That was just a non-technical description of what is the main difference between these FI systems!

And no, I never heard of Delphi before that.