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  • #61
    Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
    "Understand that no one ever said the words Bajaj/TVS or competition..."

    Niranjan, I mentioned Bajaj/TVS in reply to Shadowfax post where he wanted to know the difference between PGM-FI and Fi system used in P220 and Apache! That was just a non-technical description of what is the main difference between these FI systems!

    And no, I never heard of Delphi before that.
    No issues bro...just read about Delphi at their web site.

    On the other front...lets just forget the entire debate and wait for H and HH to launch bikes that would please this 0.001 % percent of market share
    Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
      "Understand that no one ever said the words Bajaj/TVS or competition..."

      Niranjan, I mentioned Bajaj/TVS in reply to Shadowfax post where he wanted to know the difference between PGM-FI and Fi system used in P220 and Apache! That was just a non-technical description of what is the main difference between these FI systems!

      And no, I never heard of Delphi before that.
      Mate you must have heard "Delphi" for sure but you just did not give it attention probably because they are not an auto maker themselves. I come across a lot of people who say they have not heard Bosch and I feel strange but then I realise that it probably did not stick in ... went in from one year and came out from other. Anyways Honda being Honda has been ahead of even international competition leave alone our Indian makers but they are not doing a bad job either .. just give them some time and a mass market for the kind of technology that we few at xbhp always cry for

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      • #63
        YEs, I too hope that after looking at the success of FZ16 and R15, Honda guys must be saying to each other "alright folks, the time has come, let's open the magic box"
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
          YEs, I too hope that after looking at the success of FZ16 and R15, Honda guys must be saying to each other "alright folks, the time has come, let's open the magic box"

          Magic box full of colors.......
          2002 - Pulsar 150 Classic (Still owned)
          2005 - Pulsar 150 Dtsi (Still owned)
          2006 - Eterno (sold)
          2008 - Dio (Owned)
          2009 - Pulsar 220 DTSi

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Devilpulsarian View Post
            Magic box full of colors.......
            And stickers!

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            • #66
              Get real guys!
              Even if Honda makes poor bikes[w.r.t power] in India, they will simply not care!

              Indian sales don't matter to them as Hero Honda's and Bajaj's. Yamaha took a beating and then realized what we were saying all along!
              Unless and until Honda gets a severe market shock, it will not go the FZ-R15 way.

              And since Honda won't get into such trouble, we are back to square one!

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              • #67
                In India, auto critics and experts see HH and HMSI as a sort of competing firms, but in Honda's language it isn't. B'cos in far/south east countries, there are half a dozen subsidaries of Hondas peacefully co-existing (in small markets) and strategically taking over the market pie.
                I guess in India too HH and HMSI will synergise themselves at some point of time and cut costs and at the same time view market strategically with products that won't cut into each other territories. For instance Pleasure has not affected Activa/Dio, similarly CBZ-Xtreme/Hunk has never affected Unicorn. Hondas know how to position their products w/o much loss or blooodbath.
                Hence HH and HMSI both will continue to do well in near/middle term sharing technologies from parent Honda, which would want win-win situation for both sisters !!!

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
                  By launching their flagship models, the intentions of Honda, Suzuki and Yamaha already quite clear.
                  Exactly... To what ppl will associate the 150cc performance bike of HMSI then ? consider launch of fireblade, cb100r (and may be hayabusa) as A ray of hope.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by nitrosatya View Post
                    Even if Honda makes poor bikes[w.r.t power] in India, they will simply not care!
                    Again!

                    Care to explain me how poor are Honda's bikes in the power department? (read Unicorn in 150cc, Stunner in 125cc and Dio's/Activa's in gearless scooters department)!!!
                    The Chronicles of Motorcycling - The Man, The Machine and The Road

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by niranjanvaidya View Post
                      We are also not against Honda introducing A-B commuter segment products. Its just that when you introduce 5 models, let at least one of them be a decent scorcher and performance product with all the bells and whistles.
                      So they have 5 basic models (Dio, Activa, Eterno, Shine, Unicorn). Now came the Stunner. Its a very good 125cc bike I'd say. And also a neck-to-neck competitor to the Gladiator. And now the new slightly powerful 150 is coming.

                      And dont keep saying they're in India since 25 years. They are not. HMSI came to India in approx 2001-2002, I guess. Earlier on it was just a supplier of technology for HH. And at that time there was NO demand for powerful bikes.

                      They also have been kept away from the 100cc's. They'll need a contender from that segment too. Once this is achieved, the platform is ready, which will only need a stirring every 2 years with upgrades.

                      After this they can focus on performance bikes..... Now I'm no Honda insider, but this is the way I see it.
                      You get the point?? :D
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Devilpulsarian View Post
                        HH...............................

                        do u mean YAMAHA got inspired (forced) by hondas orange colored potpurries....







                        very true................
                        but dey went for hibernation after that
                        zma is in the market for the past 6-7 years with absolutely the same engine...!





                        slowly and calmly.....
                        Here since 1984 and they still are slow and calm...





                        I felt the same when honda decided HMSI....
                        but today, I can safely say that only yamaha has this capability
                        Honda will always be no. 1 and content in selling those 97ccs....in India...





                        There is nothing wrong with Unicorn.Its doing its job of being an 'A to B' commuter (what generaly "Uncles" prefer). The least they could have done is provided us some good "performer" not in terms of 0-60s only but in real terms an out and out scorcher like R15 or something!
                        Or still better, not bombard India with those colorful potpourries....!






                        More than 25 years in India and they are still "setting" there basics right....!





                        Now I really dont think wolves come in so many colors....





                        Now whats so good about PGM-FI that without being deployed, its being termed as "THE BEST"...



                        Anyways, having said this, Honda just need to look at India with a serious eye and not 'TOY' with people with those colorful emoticons....
                        Good bikes and latest technology is expected from them!
                        They are doing the easiest job of importing there 80s engines and deploying them in India!

                        For example, the latest they are doing for india is an an all exclusive for indians 100cc......
                        with a per month sale of around 4 lakh units combined, what figure do they want to achieve to feel content & give us some bikes for enthusiasts...!
                        And if et all, than let those 100cc owners rejoice and praise there efforts

                        We have some india-centric companies to look forward to...
                        I really think you have been through some unpleasant experience with Honda. Its obvious from your posts that you are clearly attacking a particular brand. I mean, there are many personal issues and opinions with many other bikes, which people have, but they dont type to vent anger.


                        Please refrain from doing so, or else, the mods are strict.

                        @Mods: Sorry for OT, but I thought these posts were instigating brand wars.
                        From variable Bhps to a constant 17.6 Bhp.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
                          Again!

                          Care to explain me how poor are Honda's bikes in the power department? (read Unicorn in 150cc, Stunner in 125cc and Dio's/Activa's in gearless scooters department)!!!
                          I would care to explain. Unicorn (read 13.5hp , 150cc probably THE most refined and THE most boring 150 to ride.) No upgrades from here on. Considering the competition, we expect them to compete with similar sized/priced bikes. No, the CB and CBR isn't going to make much of a difference. These guys are playing way too safe. Why the hell does an Aviator have the same engine from the Activa? Way too safe,way too safe.
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                          • #73
                            ^ YEs, that is how Honda has made Unicorn. Its the BEST commuter 150cc bike we have in India and that is why it has the best comfort and ergonomics suited even for longer rides. This also makes it one of the best options for touring puposes, second to ZMA. You can't say that much about any other 150cc bike? And with a pretty competitive performance, its still is one of the best fuel efficient bikes in its class! I think its better than many! Even the new GS150r is just a Unicorn with a digimeter, that's it!!!

                            As far as it being a boring bike, that's your point of view, you have to understand its purpose! On the other hand, I don't at all like the way pulsar rides, average ergonomics, average ride quality and a harsh engine! not at all impressive, is it? Especially the P150, it doesn't perform any better than the Unicorn, does it? But Unicorn has an upper hand on certain things which make it a more practical bike to ride.

                            Let's relax, as we all know a new alternative to Unicorn from Honda is on the cards, let's see how it turns out.
                            The Chronicles of Motorcycling - The Man, The Machine and The Road

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                            • #74
                              No upgrades from here on. Considering the competition, we expect them to compete with similar sized/priced bikes.

                              @silver_falcon_46

                              Just to put 'upgrade' in different perspective.....will the PulsarUG4/latest Apache match Unicorn in terms of engine smoothness / gearbox slickness / quality / reliability/ consistent fuel efficiency ...?? Obviously, majority answer would be 'NO'...

                              Well, motive behind 'upgrade' is to 'crank-up' sagging sales by adding features (and call it VFM) and printing brochures which reads 'smoother engine' 'better gearbox' etc etc (i.e. forget and forgive past mistakes) !!!

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post
                                As far as it being a boring bike, that's your point of view, you have to understand its purpose! Unicorn has an upper hand on certain things which make it a more practical bike to ride.
                                +1

                                Uni may look boring but not boring to ride at all. Its a fun bike which loves to be ridden hard on corners. You can call it the most practical bike and a bike which can perform the way you like.

                                Honda has put great efforts while designing Unicorn and we expect the same effort in new 150cc, after all that new bike has to compete with new gen bikes till next 5 years atleast.
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