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  • #76
    Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi



    The seat and suspension seem to be really plush and comfortable. This review also says the service is once in 10,000kms and won't cost more than ₹3000. That's a pretty good deal then for adventure touring people!

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    • #77
      Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

      Originally posted by nasirkaka View Post
      There is no doubt that 310R and 310GS are overpriced, and after initial euphoria dies, both the bikes will not burn the sales chart. Guess different person will have their own reason, and not denying the fact that some of them may associate it to status as well. I am downgrading to baby GS from versys 650 as i feel this bike is more suited for my riding requirements. Give me the same bike with TVS logo and 70k less and i would be most happy to take it. Given me versys 300X at same price and i would think twice, as i know the pain associated with kawasaki service and spares. One broken plastic and the bike will be grounded for 6 weeks min, waiting for parts to arrive from Thailand. And with adv tourers and their height, falls are frequent. Also, not to mention the high service and spares cost.

      A know a few who have big adventure tourers like Tiger, and ducati, and even 1200gs and are considering the baby GS as their 2nd bike for fun factor and light weight which is a BIG issue with the heavy adv tourers. A lot of people touring on Enfield's and Himalayans and Dominars will look at the 310Gs as a natural upgrade. The equation would drastically change when the 390 adv is out in the market untill then, these guys will do decent. The pricing of the BMW 310 twins is such that these have become the iphone of bikes in India, many would want it but few can afford it.
      Weight-the lack of it-sure is a priceless asset in motorcycling.An aquantaince has also decided to sell his V650 for the GS310.
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      • #78
        Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

        Guys any idea if the suspension from baby gs can be retrofit onto a 2017 duke 390?? Whats your thoughts on it?

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        • #79
          Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

          Originally posted by nasirkaka View Post
          Sire, Why are you so negative about these bikes and the brand? We all do agree that 310 twins are overpriced, but still some can afford and will buy for their own reasons. Does not mean their reasoning is flawed. It is understood that you yourself were very much interested in the 310GS and just cos its priced higher then your expectation, its all suddenly become bad and a no-go zone. No one knows about service and spares cost as of now and making statements such as - it will be more expensive then kawa is not at all justified. My boss owns a BMW 1200GS and i do ride that bike once in a while. So Yes, am aware of the overcharging issue with respect to part number being repeated, which you are referring to but the other side gives a different story with system based issue. No taking any sides there as i do not have full knowledge of that case. I make my opinions based on personal experiences and will call BMW a ripoff if i experienced so. But let us PLEASE give them a chance before jumping to conclusions.
          again your wrong, i never said its bad bike. all i said is overpriced. and also quoted your own statement saying your getting it just because it matches your requirements. many don't just go by sticker price but also its maintenance and service consideration. i quoted service cost purely based on booking and launch price of the bikes, an estimated guess. regarding SVC i heard more stories than 1200gs. anyway happy for your decision, atleast we now can have ownership thread
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          • #80
            BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

            Originally posted by Jagan689 View Post
            Guys any idea if the suspension from baby gs can be retrofit onto a 2017 duke 390?? Whats your thoughts on it?
            Curious to know, why would you wish to make the switch on a D390

            Baby GS front suspension-41mm
            D390 front suspension-43mm

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            • #81
              Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

              Originally posted by JN8304 View Post
              Curious to know, why would you wish to make the switch on a D390

              Baby GS front suspension-41mm
              D390 front suspension-43mm
              Oops, by the looks of it i thought it must be 43mm with higher travel. Basically looking at increasing the suspension travel on my d390

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              • #82
                Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

                [MENTION=46353]nasirkaka[/MENTION] I have followed your quest for your "proverbial Unicorn" 😀 in the other forum. From RE classic to D390 to Bonneville to Versys 650. And how you were experimenting with shaving the seat of V650. I hope you are finally happy with the GS310 (though I feel we will see you again soon, hunting for your next steed).
                Since you have already Td'd the machine, you can answer a few questions?
                Is there the chain noise that so many A310 owners complained about?
                I see the tyres size is 19 in front? Which model? Is it dual purpose?

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                • #83
                  Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

                  Originally posted by jazzysaravana View Post
                  Not exactly,

                  ₹50k for keeping the squids off the showroom,
                  ₹50k for BMW premium experience and service
                  ₹50k for exclusivity

                  So makes sense seeing their limited number of showrooms across India.

                  Cheers!
                  I am not getting these type of arguments!!
                  Are only squids and angry teenage kids buying ktm??
                  And if they are the only one buying them will 50k stop them from buying these???


                  I am a sane biker and i am owning cbr250 right now. I wanted to own g310 but would rather go for ninja 300 in that price bracket.
                  And kawasaki ninja is no less premium than bmw g310!

                  And if bmw is really that premium why it is priced less in US as compared to ktm??
                  Or people in US have more brain that they will pay more for features and not just brand value?
                  Last edited by bikerjack; 07-24-2018, 11:41 PM.

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                  • #84
                    Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

                    Originally posted by bikerjack View Post
                    I am not getting these type of arguments!!
                    Are only squids and angry teenage kids buying ktm??
                    And if they are the only one buying them will 50k stop them from buying these???


                    I am a sane biker and i am owning cbr250 right now. I wanted to own g310 but would rather go for ninja 300 in that price bracket.
                    And kawasaki ninja is no less premium than bmw g310!

                    And if bmw is really that premium why it is priced less in US as compared to ktm??
                    Or people in US have more brain that they will pay more for features and not just brand value?
                    Another thing is the Jap reliability and refinement. Iam yet to see something that can beat them in this. Will wait for long term ownership reviews.

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                    • #85
                      Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

                      The 310GS is not a worthy upgrade for Himalayan, it costs twice as much and I think it not as capable as Himalayan on real off-road conditions. The only benefit is comfy ride and good power and BMW name, though I felt the torque wasn't really good in the current gearing state.

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                      • #86
                        Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

                        Every rider will have his own preference. Right now, in Indian market there aren't many entry level adventure bikes.


                        Apart from the fact that there aren't many adventure bikes, which is one of the reason for some people opting for this bike. One more good thing about this bike is the service interval of 10,000 kms and unlimited warranty. This talks about the amount of testing that has gone in this product. I would assume for someone who go on long touring this is beneficial. No need to worry about getting your bike serviced in the middle of your tour.


                        It will definitely find buyers because of the individual preference, irrespective of the fact that the bike is is under powered for the road [compared to the dukes and Kawasakis] and also because of the absence of low end torque, I personnaly will not find it ideal for off-road either.


                        But, comparing this to Iphone is over the top. Most of the hardware and software components involved in the Iphone is top notch, industry leading. Apple is demanding premium for those research and development. Here it's different, buyer is just paying premium for BMW badge.

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                        • #87
                          Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

                          Whether to give BMW a luxury status remains on us. If we accept this price wholeheartedly, they will keep future products in same level.
                          Unless they have to struggle to sell bikes, they won't learn.
                          Kawasaki learnt this the hard way, Suzuki too learnt this with Inazuma.
                          The choice is ours.
                          In my opinion it is just a poser's bike in India. These bikes don't set any benchmark in performance. Just to flaunt the BMW badge,one can buy it. But for performance, look to KTM.

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                          • #88
                            Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

                            Oops, by the looks of it i thought it must be 43mm with higher travel. Basically looking at increasing the suspension travel on my d390
                            Its a tough task as bikes geometry gets compromised and will affect handling if not done with proper understanding. Indimotard @ bangalore tried installing long travel, fully adjustable suspension with some other mods on a couple of duke 390s and entire project costed upwards of 2.5L.

                            @nasirkaka I have followed your quest for your "proverbial Unicorn" 😀 in the other forum. From RE classic to D390 to Bonneville to Versys 650. And how you were experimenting with shaving the seat of V650. I hope you are finally happy with the GS310 (though I feel we will see you again soon, hunting for your next steed).
                            Since you have already Td'd the machine, you can answer a few questions?
                            Is there the chain noise that so many A310 owners complained about?
                            I see the tyres size is 19 in front? Which model? Is it dual purpose?
                            The search for that elusive perfect bike goes on which is same as looking for a corner in a circular room.
                            I am eying this 310GS as mostly a stop-go solution for 1.5 - 2 years and may switch to 390 adventure when its launched and if it tugs at the heart. As of now, i have just the versys (in retrospect should not have sold the 390 but bonnie spoilt the party) and commuting 50kms everyday in Bangalore kind traffic is not very enjoyable.
                            For shaving, most likely will have to try something similar on this as well as seat height is similar (-5mm). Dont want to go the lowering-kit way, as it takes away the GC and fun is lost. The test ride very short so count not gather much, and did not pay attention to chain sound. Tyres are 19" and 17" metzeler tourance - dual sport, 80-20 road biased.

                            And if bmw is really that premium why it is priced less in US as compared to ktm??
                            Or people in US have more brain that they will pay more for features and not just brand value?
                            Abroad, where brands such as BMW, kawasaki, KTM etc have co-existed for long, there are more or less at par.
                            Prior to 2011 in India, no one (except for a handful of auto-mag reading enthusiasts) had heard of KTM. when it came to big super-bikes, names like harley, ducati, BMW, yamaha, suzuki, moto guzzi were more familiar. so i guess the brand recognition of BMW would be better compared to KTM in India.
                            BMW could have priced their 310 twins much lower just like how KTM did, but they do not have infrastructure to support sales and service. Imagine selling thousands of bikes and goofing-up on service. We Indians are very picky. One senior official at the showroom did admit that pricing is such that they can control the sales. No one can deny the fact that ktm390 as a product is much superior to the 310R and BMW is definitely missed a trick when pricing their 310 twins.

                            The 310GS is not a worthy upgrade for Himalayan, it costs twice as much and I think it not as capable as Himalayan on real off-road conditions. The only benefit is comfy ride and good power and BMW name, though I felt the torque wasn't really good in the current gearing state.
                            310 GS is a worthy upgrade to Himalayan but not at the price point. It has two essentials which would have made Himalayan a superb proposition, which are extra 10 bhp & switchable ABS. But bring the price in the equation and Himalayan comes across as superb value for money.
                            It will definitely find buyers because of the individual preference, irrespective of the fact that the bike is is under powered for the road [compared to the dukes and Kawasakis] and also because of the absence of low end torque, I personnaly will not find it ideal for off-road either.
                            Power is relative, a 34bhp 310r will feel like super sport to someone riding a 100cc 9 bhp bike, but the same bike may feel like a dub to someone riding an inlinefour 600. I personally feel 33bhp for a 169kg bike is not really underpowered and decent enough for touring in our Indian conditions. I also felt the G310 gs has better low-end torque compared to duke 390 or even compared to the Versys 650. 390duke wakes up only post 5500revs and you got to constantly work on the gears under that RPM. Even the versys 650 feels jittery at 25kmph in 2nd gear, but the 310gs was at ease at 15kmph in 2nd gear, a boon for traffic.

                            But, comparing this to Iphone is over the top. Most of the hardware and software components involved in the Iphone is top notch, industry leading. Apple is demanding premium for those research and development. Here it's different, buyer is just paying premium for BMW badge.
                            by calling GS310 as an iphone of bikes, what i meant was brand aspiration. Not all of us understand the technical details such as software component and finer technical details but its the brand appeal. I get to hear all the time how phones from Mi or oneplus 5 or 6 is iphone killer and had all equal or better software and hardware components @ half the price or even less. so in general, iphone is perceived as a very premium brand and priced super premium. Something similar to BMWs 310 twins and theor pricing.

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                            • #89
                              Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

                              Originally posted by nasirkaka View Post
                              The search for that elusive perfect bike goes on which is same as looking for a corner in a circular room.
                              I am eying this 310GS as mostly a stop-go solution for 1.5 - 2 years and may switch to 390 adventure when its launched and if it tugs at the heart. As of now, i have just the versys (in retrospect should not have sold the 390 but bonnie spoilt the party) and commuting 50kms everyday in Bangalore kind traffic is not very enjoyable.
                              For shaving, most likely will have to try something similar on this as well as seat height is similar (-5mm). Dont want to go the lowering-kit way, as it takes away the GC and fun is lost. The test ride very short so count not gather much, and did not pay attention to chain sound. Tyres are 19" and 17" metzeler tourance - dual sport, 80-20 road biased.
                              I think you shouldn't buy the GS if you've plans of buying the 390adv, you will lose a lot of money while selling the GS, for commuting you should look at the 200cc or the Dominar which is hella VFM☺️, i'm pretty sure KTM will launch the 390adv next year in April and will be cheaper than the GS.
                              As for the GS i found the suspension was really soft, will bottom out on medium offroad.

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                              • #90
                                Re: BMW G 310 R and G 310 GS launched at 2.99 Lakh & 3.49 Lakh INR ex-showroom Delhi

                                Originally posted by Abhishekilke View Post
                                I think you shouldn't buy the GS if you've plans of buying the 390adv, you will lose a lot of money while selling the GS, for commuting you should look at the 200cc or the Dominar which is hella VFM☺️, i'm pretty sure KTM will launch the 390adv next year in April and will be cheaper than the GS.
                                As for the GS i found the suspension was really soft, will bottom out on medium offroad.
                                Issue is there are too many loose ends as of now when it comes to 390 Adv. All we have is just some spy pics and nothing more than that but speculations. There are no clear details, launch timelines, price point, etc and realistically speaking the 390adv seems atleast 1.5 yrs away which is long time. Going by the trend, they may launch it in international market first and get it later to India. 390 adv will not be a derivative of the current platform on which the duke and RC series is based hence may also have teething issues. All this put together, does not make sense for me to wait. I might as-well get the GS now and lets see when the 390 adv launches.
                                I am not really looking at VFM proposition, Dominar was never in consideration as i had first gen duke 390 and Dominar did not offer much over it. And its not like i am going for the baby GS out of desperation, but i like the bike and have been eagerly waiting for it to launch here. Have been following its international launch, press reviews, issues, ownership experiences, etc for a long while now. Would be a win win situation for all if it was priced down by about 50-60k. Xpulse is another bike which i am looking forward to, along with the baby GS when it launches.

                                GS suspension appears soft but should not bottom-out during medium offroad. Although these are not progressive suspension in true sense, the design is such that initial travel is soft and it gets harder when more compression is added. This bike for eg, is been in Australia for a while and folks there have clocked 30k+ kms on the 310GS including good amount of off-roading and have not reported the suspension bottoming out. I was told that one can do some jumps as well with wired wheels, on stock suspension. Lets see.

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