I have a doubt:

Suppose if i'am riding a litre equiped with TC and slipper clutch and C-ABS, i approach a corner way to fast, realize it in a nick of time, and bang downshift half clutch into say 1st, grabbing my front, skyrocketing the RPM, then instantly again fuelling it to the limit all this in say 1-2 secs,then whats gonna save my rear from getting locked/slipped/ or stepping out when i twist'd it ?

The TC or the slipper clutch or the C-ABS ?

TC works at acceleration and slipper at deceleration, but how all these GIZMO's gonna work in such a lil time as not one alone is working, all may be working at the same time.

Is there a margin for error ?

Don't whack those brains loose, let the 2012 CBR-1000RR be out.
(The 4 year production cycle)

To beat C-ABS like you talk of...you need to be a professional racer for years. If you think you can outbrake C-ABS by just jumping onto a bike which doesnt have it then you are most prolly gonna stop metres away from the bike equipped with C-ABS or you are gonna end up locking your tyres in which case you arent gonna stop at all.

Take a look at the video below. If you dotn wanna watch poorly produced MCN vids then heres whats going on in that video.
They have three ppl testing their braking distances with ABS and non ABS bikes and comparing them at the end.

1. John (average Joe rider, like you and I)
2. Reece (a professional racer who competes in national superstock racing in england) and
3. Bruce (MCN tester)

Results :

1. John on C-ABS => 75 metres, John on non C-ABS bike => 92 metres, thats an improvement of 17 metres
2. Reece on C-ABS=>42 metres, Reece on non C-ABS bike=> 59metres, thats an improvement of 17 metres in a professional racer
3. Bruce on C-ABS=> 61 metres, Bruce on non C-ABS bike=> 66 metres, thats an improvement of 5 metres in someone who is a stunt monkey for MCN.

YouTube - Honda Fireblade: ABS v non-ABS

I am not a fan of theory making nor publore. Purist or not...you ought to see the advantages of technology and how it helps the rider in living longer and improving riding without being punished.


thats just the way it is. Responsibility and maturity might make you a millionaire in the rest of the world...but its not gonna save your life when riding high performance bikes.We are talking about sports riding here...not about touring nor sports touring .You are not actually disagreeing with me. You are disagreeing with the general consesus of the motorcycling world. The fact remains that skill and experience count way more on high performance bikes than anything else does.
Check out the link given by mbharat.

even with Traction control you cannot do that. You can but TC kicking in means you will be losing a 10th of a second so no one in their right mind is gonna do that. Smooth Throttle control will still remain the key to faster laps...with or without TC.

I dont have them with me right now. Maybe after my trackdays I could give you them. Easier would be if you can ride down to chennai yourself and we settle it out there on the circuit..in a friendly way..in the name of riding.
just the slipper clutch. TC and C-ABS wont even be triggered.

2010 Literbike Shootout: RSV4 R vs S1000RR vs CBR1000RR vs ZX-10R - Motorcycle.com

A shootout with CBR, BMW and 10R at hand.
Dont miss out the power and torque charts/graphs.

@TenHut - please post the times and corner speeds after you are done with your trackday.

P.S - what is so about my explanation for the low-side? Please enlighten me.

And they would please you how ? Let not my track times dictate if the tech gizmos are worthy or not. At the most they will tell you if I am pulling facts out my azz or If I have actually ridden them gizmos. That you can verify by simply coming down to the track either on 28th, 29th or 30th. If the MT01 cannot take the circuit and if you dont have a bike to run on the track I will arrange a 600 for you.
If nothing works...I will post them track times here...but I dont know how they can contribute anything to the discussion at hand.

I am not a track demon and I sh*t my pants at speeds greater than 150 kph so don't feel threatened by a highway queen like me. Just post the lap times, corner entry speeds and exit speeds in your thread titled "CSS - I lived thanks to C-ABS and TC"

Just kidding. If you can move the Veypor over to another bike that doesn't have these gizmos and try just as hard to set a laptime then the difference between the data will be interesting to analyze. Perhaps you can let one of the CSS pro riders carry out this test. The objective is not to prove anyone right/wrong - it is just to see how effective these gizmos are on a track like MMSC with it's off-camber corners and short straights.

Actually you should start a separate thread that only has Track specific data where you and other riders can post this kind of information.

BI magazine had posted the corner entry speeds and speeds at the end of the straight for various bikes they were testing at MMSC. Very useful to see where your own bike stands (but the data was only for Indian bikes).

I have nothing to gain if it so happens that you are slower than someone on a bike that doesn't have gizmos. It doesn't really matter...trackdays are to have fun and come back home rubber side down.

Regarding which bike is better - I would have the older R1 simply because it looks better and sounds better.

Agree with you there, the older one(2008) is sexier & sounds awesome with aftermarket pipes
finally we are back to the topic

That data is available on any of your favorite online international bike forums.
It wont be MMSC but that doesnt really matter. I would have posted some vids carrying tht data too but you have ignored my last C-ABS vid so I aint gonna do that anymore

2008 R1 it is.

I have no other forum...post your data if you can and it will be interesting to study because this is a track we know and many of us have ridden on.

thank you bharath,, i ve black 1...

nice discussion on the tech and gizmos.. thumbs up on that.. i dint get a lot of that may be i ll understand wen i get a "K" but i kinda feel both are right.. thumb up to u both


well coming to serious talking.. guys u got to talk on the most important issue here in biking which i feel is braking... since this concerns me im asking "how to bring your bike to halt??? "
next thing would be "how to effectively negotiate/attack (call it whatever) a corner"

so on a litre bike : braking and cornering... how best to do it????

Hey,

Obviously can't answer above question in one post BUT couple of things:

1. Braking, a good link:
Introduction to Motorcycles
I always have two fingers on my front bake lever all the time. Next time you see a good motorcycle racer pic., notice the position of his/her right hand:

I would recommend applying the brake(s) gently. A couple of other important items are mentioned in the website above (what to do when (not if) you lock the wheels). Make sure you understand it.

2. Cornering: Again, too numerous tips to list but the big picture is: slow, look, lean+roll (GENTLY). Slow down as you approach the corner, look AHEAD through the corner and lean+start rolling throttle gently.

3. A really good book which I think every motorcycle rider should have is Proficient Motorcycling by David Hough (it has been referenced in other places in this forum). Buy the book, understand principles (with respect to your locality's riding conditions, of course) and apply them.

Ride safe, later.

Bartman

I am really surprised.I thought that with ABS everyone would have almost similar braking distances.I mean its just slamming both the brakes and the electronics take over.After that everything happens the same be it an average rider or a professional.. right? then why is there a huge difference here?.Is the braking distance more coz the other rider applied the brakes a little too late than the professional?.

Nothing unusual about it..at the end a rider rides the bike..not electronics..small things like rider position (while braking), weight distribution over the bike, etc. effect many aspects of a bike. This is only braking that is being checked

precisely. In the end its the rider..not the electronics. Thats why electronics cannot ruin your ridingbut have the potential to make you a better rider.

Where the rider has achored himself on the bike when under heavy braking will decide to a great extent as to how heavily the rider can brake without endoing the bike. The pressure the rider has on the bars under braking will also play a significant role in the stopping distance when braking.
Lots of other small things like the way the lever is pulled in or if braking is gradually increased on the lever ( linear or non linear) will affect the stopping distance too.

True, if you have C-ABS then you can slam your brakes. But you need balls of steel to do even that as the bikes gonna stop so vehemently that you might just be thrown off it violently if you arent acnhored well. Slamming the brakes isnt so easy either. Takes a lot of trust in the system too. Average Joe will take a lot practice to even to SLAM the brakes with his eyes closed and stop in the shortest possible distance.

@harishk01 : You can also try reading
Twist of the Wrist I and Twist of The Wrist II by Kieth Code.
Sports Riding technique by Nick Ienatsch is another good read.

As you have guessed it right...braking is the biggest mystery of sports riding. A skill thats takes as much time to learn and master as shaolin kungfu perhaps. This one skill makes Rossi god tbh. Watch him outbrake anyone on any bike and you may think to yourself that braking is perhaps 50% of sports riding. It is.