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Welcome Bharath !
Can I know how its maintenance costs are low ???

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Well RSVB,I don't Own one but I have met Owners of 3 Samurai's In My Streets (Sanjay Gandhi Nagar).All of them say It has very low Maintainence (Only Rs.700 Max Maintainence for an Year).You have to see it's Ad.It's Hilarious and Brainy.The Samurai was Overpriced those times but It proved it's worth by Reliability,Parts and Build Quality and Low Running and Maintainence costs.It's Defenition was - "The No Problem Bike" That itself says how reliable it is.Do I have to tell you more ? [lol] The Shogun just tells- "Roll out of the Pit lane,Smoke everyone,Spoil their Laptimes,Roll back in the Pitlane in style" The Apache RTR 180 is doing it allover again !! Thank you

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My cousin brother had a Samurai and my brother owned MAX100. Samurai had run for more than 1 lakh kms without any engine work when he sold it. My brother sold his Max100 recently when it completed 75k on speedo (actual run way more than that).
Paint quality, decals, chrome plating, speedo assembly, engine, electricals (especially headlight) everything was the best of the time.
Downside was the ride quality, they offered a stiff ride compared to their main competitor - HH CD100/Splendor!

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Suzuki Samurai retains it's tag of "The bike with no problem", it's an utterly no maintenance bike just routing servicing, the only things to look out in any 2stroke bike is the correct a/f ratio and good quality of 2t oil with proper company prescribe mixing ratio.

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+1.
My neighbour had a MAX100 from the initial batch. The bike's engine seized at around 80k kms, due to oil pump failure.
No worries, he didn't bother to do any engine work - just started premixing oil with petrol and completed another 40k kms before selling it off for a new gen 4 stroke bike.

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UPDATE - One Samurai Owner in our Street is Rebuilding the Engine of his Samurai which has touched 1L KMS without ay Major Problem ! I was Awe-struck in how reliable it was.Thank you

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Ah such lovely days are now past tense ,the smell of 2stroke oil burning, the sweet sound of the exhaust, lots of chrome, stunning paint job, rock solid reliability, low maintenance, and simple engine, samurai was legend in all these parameters, it's really a very very good bike, what i fail to understand is that if LML can sell its' 2stroke NV, then why can't yamaha and suzuki bring these bikes back, may be they know that by selling cheap 4strokes they are earning lot of money.

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Thats wonderful news! Please pester him to give you the entire details of the parts and the costs. Please PM me his number if possible. I would get in touch with the guy myself. Need as many details as possible to get a engine job for my Sammy soon.

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The Total Engine and Gearbox Rebuild Including New Oil costed him 7K.But Mr.Srikany,The Owner is a Tailor and He dosn't even know what is a Carburetor.If there is Something with the Bike,He just takes it to my mechanic.One Fine day,His Samurai wont engage 3rd Gear and It has crossed well Over 1L Kms and with lot of Smoking ! He took it to The Mechanic and the Mech had suggested him to do Engine and Gearbox Rebuild as It was aged and Clutch was Totally Gone,Otherwise the Engine would Sieze.He agreed and The Work was completed in 5 Days as Mechanic had Trouble Finding some Spares.I will definitly get hold of the Detailed Cost.I am a Great Samurai Lover !! Anything for a Samurai Owner ! Sir,Can you post some more Pictures of your Beauty ?

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From what I've read, emission norms work such that if you have more CC then you can emit more smoke!
Thats why Yamaha and Kawasaki withdrew their 100 CC's around mid 90's and introduced 135 and 125 cc's respectively.
May be the same rule saves LML NV also, as it is 150cc.

But wonder how Suzuki Max 100's passed the test even after year 2000.

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Mr.Satson,The Last Batches of Max 100Rs and Samurais (Including the Last Batch of Shoguns) came with a Catalytic Converter,Fuel Meter.etc.It helped in Competing with 4 Stroke and Passing the Norms but Sadly It didn't help for the Shogun and So,Shogun was Discontinued.

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Thanks for the info, I knew that last batches of Shogun came with catcon, but was not sure on Max100/Samurai's.
My doubt is, why RX100/KB100 was discontinued way before and why the Yamaha/Bajaj didn't try to save their legendary machines with cat-con !

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Sure,Sir.Let's Leave the KB100 because it's engine was Older than the RX 100 and was Impossible to Save it,Yamaha didn't save the RX 100 because adding a Catalytic Converter will reduce performance (Especially Acceleration) a Bit and Yup,It is Noticeable (Because it produces 11 Bhp stock and adding the Cat Con will bring it down to 9 Bhp and a Max100R will start to beat the RX 100 ) and also It will Completely remove the Roar of the RX 100,Remember the RX 135 5 Speed with Cat Con and It's Aweful Engine Note ? But believe me,It was a Deep-Pocket's Rocket ! and Most Importantly,It will Increase the Price.Whereas The Shogun Produced between 14-16 Bhp and adding the Catcon brought it to 12 Bhp but It didn't hamper the Engine Roar Much and Reduced the Vibes and Improved the NVH too.But Still,Shogun was a Bad Smoker.Real Bad !

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There were minor tweaks to the Silencer, graphics, and the suspension starting Year 2000 for the Samurai- which included a catalytic converted fitted Silencer. The Max 100 series fairly remained the same apart from catcon. The catcon came with a warranty of 1 year or 30,000 kms whichever came earlier.

THe main reason Samurai was pulled out from market was because Suzuki parted ways with TVS in late 2000. THe last batch was in 2001. Max 100 however was made till year 2005. It continues to be made for African Market even to this day. From what I remember the carb and the clutch plates were made in Japan for Samurai, whereas Max 100's were made in India.

As far as emission norms are concered, there is technology available and with advances made in microprocessor and fuel injection, there is ample scope of putting together a modern two stroke bike that is more reliable and very environment friendly compared to last iteration of two strokes made just 10 years ago. Bajaj makes use of this technology in one of its RE auto ricks models. THere was rumour of relaunching two stroke bikes in mid 2000 but dint see the light.

There are multiple reason attributed to this step motherly treatment for two strokes by major auto companies. Dwevlving deep into the debate will hijack the thread. Cheers

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Aaahaa ! Well Said Mr.Srikany.Sir,I just Can't wait to see some more Pics of your Beauty Samurai !! Please sir,Please post some more Pics.