Engine Oils

[Rahulbarik]

haven't seen in the market at all.
can't comment about it.

the oil is not very common... The ss retails for around 267 bucks the last time i used it... The fs is around 450... Its 10w40... Anyone else using this oil? The ss stayed good for around 1.5k, but can be stretchable upto 2k max... Dont know about the fs...
@catchdoon:: i used it on my earlier tvs flame and it worked out to be the best, this oil really suits karizma... Any idea how this oil will do on r15 and rtr? And how is the fs? Is it better than the ss?

[ravi@17bhp]

I still didn't get my answer about petronas sprinta ss and fs... Why is this oil so under rated?

I have known a few of my friends who have been using this oil for the past 3 years in Karizma, R15, and RTR. They are very happy. I too have used this occasionally in Karizma and Dazzler and never got any complaints. Though its fully synthetic oil, we drain the oil every 4k kms and not more.

[murlidhar]

I have known a few of my friends who have been using this oil for the past 3 years in Karizma, R15, and RTR. They are very happy. I too have used this occasionally in Karizma and Dazzler and never got any complaints. Though its fully synthetic oil, we drain the oil every 4k kms and not more.

any idea where i can find this oil in Hyderabad ?
i would love to try it in the winter here.

[Pinaki]

..vehicle manufacturers specify a particular grade of engine oil to be used in their vehicles. they also say that if any other grade is used, performance may be affected.last year, hero honda suddenly changed the engine oil for its vehicles from 20w40 to 10w30..they advise ppl not to use any other oil other than the recommended grade but they keep changing the grade arbitrarily.

Be very clear on this - HeroHonda specifically disclaims warranty if any oil than Hero-Honda 4T premium 10w30 has been used in the vehicle . Their authorised service centers refuse to fill any oil that has not been purchased from them in situ , even if it is the same HeroHonda premium 4T 10w30 you may have purchased earlier or elsewhere . They will write a note on your service record ( on your booklet and their computerised records ) if you do not buy and use oil from them . That will put a country-wide note on your vehicle number so that you'll not get warranty cover at any HeroHonda network service, ever after .
Not only a different grade etc . Considering the number of vehicles they sell and have already sold over the years , they reap great pecuniary benefit from banning their customers from using any other oil than their own product . Is that not simple ?
And they started to do that not a year back , but many years ago .

I still didn't get my answer about petronas sprinta ss and fs... Why is this oil so under rated?

Bhai Rahul , where are you finding it in kolkata ? I saw pertonas once or twice on the shelves that too more than a year back . I like regularly needed stuff like oil which I can be assured of easy & long-term supply and Petronas is not one of those here . So I have never tried it .

[murlidhar]

Be very clear on this - HeroHonda specifically disclaims warranty if any oil than Hero-Honda 4T premium 10w30 has been used in the vehicle . Their authorised service centers refuse to fill any oil that has not been purchased from them in situ , even if it is the same HeroHonda premium 4T 10w30 you may have purchased earlier or elsewhere . They will write a note on your service record ( on your booklet and their computerised records ) if you do not buy and use oil from them . That will put a country-wide note on your vehicle number so that you'll not get warranty cover at any HeroHonda network service, ever after .
Not only a different grade etc . Considering the number of vehicles they sell and have already sold over the years , they reap great pecuniary benefit from banning their customers from using any other oil than their own product . Is that not simple ?
And they started to do that not a year back , but many years ago .

Bhai Rahul , where are you finding it in kolkata ? I saw pertonas once or twice on the shelves that too more than a year back . I like regularly needed stuff like oil which I can be assured of easy & long-term supply and Petronas is not one of those here . So I have never tried it .

i think he meant by the recommended grade oil in the user manual. earlier the user manuals recommended 20w40 and suddenly they have changed it 10w30 grade in the manual.

[Pinaki]

The owner's manual does not recommend any grade , it makes it mandatory for you to use HeroHonda 4t Premium 10w30 , only .
Your warranty becomes void if you fill any other 10w30 oil too . That's why I stressed it , so that a new owner may not commit a mistake and do that .
Older manuals ( many years ago ) mentions Servo 4T 20w40 . Yes, this change was made suddenly once they started to market their own oil . Personally , I've chosen to forget their warranty and am using 20w40 motul mostly on my 2year old splendor+ .

[gallifrey]

I have a 11 year old splendor in which a 20w40 grade oil hero Honda 4t plus supplied by tide water oil company; savita chemicals Ltd or servo super by ioc are recommended.

I was not interested in the grades of engine oil until last year or so when after a regular service, the engine for hot very quickly & there was a burning smell emanating from the engine area even after a short ride.

So guys,I live in Chennai where is pretty hot through out the year. So in such a climate do you think I should use the 10w30 or 20w40?

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[muztariq]

Yes, this change was made suddenly once they started to market their own oil . Personally , I've chosen to forget their warranty and am using 20w40 motul mostly on my 2year old splendor+ .

There is a misconception amongst everyone as to why Honda uses its oil and voids warranty if you dont use 10w30 oils in their motorcycles.

Here is the answere:

What Pinakiji does is what everyone who is not using the Honda 10w30 oil should do.. Use 20W40!

I knew the things I am highlighting here from quite sometime.. but was trying to start a completely new thread with the information as that will be buried in this post in this engine oil section, which people visit rarely.. but couldnt find the time to start off a new thread.. so for benefit of all.. typing it here.

In May, last month, someone asked engine oil for Honda and this was my reply:

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/812015-post4986.html

http://www.world.honda.com/environment/report/download/2010/2010_reportdata_E_05.pdf

Oil experts(like pinakiji) and people having the know-how of oils are using 20w40 by choice without worrying about the warranties.. The risk taken is an intelligent one!!

Good Day Ahead.

[Pinaki]

I have a 11 year old splendor in which a 20w40 grade oil hero Honda 4t plus supplied by tide water oil company; savita chemicals Ltd or servo super by ioc are recommended.
I was not interested in the grades of engine oil until last year or so when after a regular service, the engine for hot very quickly & there was a burning smell emanating from the engine area even after a short ride.
So guys,I live in Chennai where is pretty hot through out the year. So in such a climate do you think I should use the 10w30 or 20w40? ..

By "Regular service" do you mean that the bike was serviced at an Hero-Honda Service Center ? Do you know for certain which oil was filled ?

[gallifrey]

By "Regular service" do you mean that the bike was serviced at an Hero-Honda Service Center ? Do you know for certain which oil was filled ?

Yes,I get mutt vehicle services only at Ann authorised service centre. And I know the chief mechanic there very well. When I told him about this engine issue, he informed me that hero Honda had issued a directive for a change in the oil grade. And yes that was the first time they had filed 10w30.

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[murlidhar]

Yes,I get mutt vehicle services only at Ann authorised service centre. And I know the chief mechanic there very well. When I told him about this engine issue, he informed me that hero Honda had issued a directive for a change in the oil grade. And yes that was the first time they had filed 10w30.

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[Pinaki]

There is a misconception amongst everyone as to why Honda uses its oil and voids warranty if you dont use 10w30 oils in their motorcycles.
Why did Honda changed its oil to 10w30 from 20w40 all of a sudden??
Ans: It developed a 10w30 oil which is as good as a 20w40 oil in providing engine protection and also conserves energy. This 10w30 oil is only marketted in Asian countries..

I would would have given this theory some credit , if it was not for their timing for the change .
Hero-Honda made the switch to their own (Honda certified) 10w30 some 5 years ago . For this they made tie-ups with 3 local suppliers . Govt owned Bharat Petroleum Co Ltd, Savita Chemicals and Tide Water Oils(veedol) . They also made the oil compulsory for owners to use for maintaining warranty . Although Honda certified the HeroHonda 10w30(API-SJ, JASO-MA)oil in writing on the label , they (HMSI) continued to recommend and supply 20w40 oil for Honda motorcycles . They themselves didn't make the switch , until just one year back . I find it difficult to digest that Honda spend millions to develop a new (and quite miraculous) oil tech that they passed on to HeroHonda instead of adopting it themselves at once , all the while they were selling their own motorcycles in the same Asian market . Any good reason to explain this ?

Oil experts(like pinakiji) and people having the know-how of oils are using 20w40 by choice without worrying about the warranties..

Muztariq bhai , I am no oil-expert , just learned a few things from the many mistakes and few good choices I have made over the many years of riding I had , so I come to give faltu advice so that other people may not have to re-learn things by making the same mistakes again .

[shoeb2015]

There is a misconception amongst everyone as to why Honda uses its oil and voids warranty if you dont use 10w30 oils in their motorcycles......................

You are absolutely right,quality of the oil is more important than specification but one should not entirely forget to use correct specification of oil.
I have found 10w30 hero Honda premium to be good for just 1000 kms but for small engines its good.
20W40 can be used if one can compromise a little on FE and can bear some sluggishness when the engine is cold.

[murlidhar]

Guys who are using some other 10w30 oil in "INDIA" are killing there engines.. use Honda 10W30 or any other good quality 20W40!!

so do you mean that Honda 10w30 grade oil is better than other 10w30 when it comes to Honda engines?

[Pinaki]

Yes,I get mutt vehicle services only at Ann authorised service centre. And I know the chief mechanic there very well. When I told him about this engine issue, he informed me that hero Honda had issued a directive for a change in the oil grade. And yes that was the first time they had filed 10w30.

They would refuse to fill any other oil in your bike as per company directives. Since your trouble started just since the service , it is possible too that it has arisen out of some other tinkering they might have done . But as the oil grade change is the most obvious thing they have done (and won't tell you the other things they played with), just drain the present oil yourself and fill it with a good 20w40 oil like the one that was been used in your bike earlier . That should hopefully solve your problem .
Edit : and yes, I too got seriously overheating engine with that 10w30 oil on 10km+ rides in summer in Calcutta .