Engine Oils

[devils_friend]

Re: Engine Oils

Don't think so, if that would have been the case then we would have not been talking of these things... You see, the visibility of counterfeits in the market is the proof. The same oil has a different manufacturing & packing process out of India... Many top end oil products are being used by different teams in GP, but the same oil doesn't performs as good as it performs on track... And mind it, nothing destroys the oils like "Heat"... So, quality would definitely take a hit... Motul's 5100 is factory filled in Yamaha bike, but it differs from Motul 5100 in retail market... This hints towards the quality thing... Also, the factory filled oil in my P220, was still light yellow when SVC guys drained it at 750 kms. But after that, the replaced oil turns black within several 100 KMs... but does the job upto 3K Kms. This is another hint towards the quality issue...

The oil that is used for racing bikes is completely different than the oil being sold in retail market. There is a huge difference in our bikes and racing bikes. The oil is not only degraded just by "heat". There are many factors that can degrade the oil more rapidly than just "heat".

The OEM specific oil will always differ from normal oil. The OEM oil is tailor made specially for them.

Any oil manufacturer who manufactures its oil with third party, always gives them the guidelines on how to make the oil as per their requirement.

The oil has to turn black within few kms of running. This is an indication that, the oil is doing its job properly. A black oil does not mean it has lost its properties.

Also, the HH 10W30 oil is being made by two companies BPCL and Tide Water. Check the retail 10W30 oils of these companies and you will surely notice some difference than the OEM spec oil.

Cheerz!!

[sandeepcf]

Re: Engine Oils

The oil has to turn black within few kms of running. This is an indication that, the oil is doing its job properly.

This is true for diesel engines. The oil turns black with in 100kms.
For petrol engines If within few kms means less than 500kms, then there is a problem with the piston clearance because the combustibles are entering the oil chamber too much. I observed this blackening thing in my Unicorn which clocked 70K kms.

[forceedge]

Re: Engine Oils

The oil that is used for racing bikes is completely different than the oil being sold in retail market. There is a huge difference in our bikes and racing bikes. The oil is not only degraded just by "heat". There are many factors that can degrade the oil more rapidly than just "heat".

The OEM specific oil will always differ from normal oil. The OEM oil is tailor made specially for them.

Any oil manufacturer who manufactures its oil with third party, always gives them the guidelines on how to make the oil as per their requirement.

The oil has to turn black within few kms of running. This is an indication that, the oil is doing its job properly. A black oil does not mean it has lost its properties.

Also, the HH 10W30 oil is being made by two companies BPCL and Tide Water. Check the retail 10W30 oils of these companies and you will surely notice some difference than the OEM spec oil.

Cheerz!!

No, you are wrong here, I've enough experience of car oils, in that sense I can say, racing oils are never "COMPLETELY DIFFERENT". The oils used by BMW Germany have recommended drain intervals at around 20000 miles!!! I may be wrong in the OEM thing, specific to India. Shell Helix Ultra Racing is poured in Ferrari F1. Its the same oil which is listed on their site. Mate, nothing else destroys an oil's structure more than Heat... That is why there are grades, which indicates the grade of oil achieved at the working temperature...

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This is true for diesel engines. The oil turns black with in 100kms.
For petrol engines If within few kms means less than 500kms, then there is a problem with the piston clearance because the combustibles are entering the oil chamber too much. I observed this blackening thing in my Unicorn which clocked 70K kms.

Diesels, hah, they turn black within a crack only... But hey, please justify the piston clearance issue if there is no loss of oil even after 3000 Kms.

[devils_friend]

Re: Engine Oils

No, you are wrong here, I've enough experience of car oils, in that sense I can say, racing oils are never "COMPLETELY DIFFERENT". The oils used by BMW Germany have recommended drain intervals at around 20000 miles!!! I may be wrong in the OEM thing, specific to India. Shell Helix Ultra Racing is poured in Ferrari F1. Its the same oil which is listed on their site. Mate, nothing else destroys an oil's structure more than Heat... That is why there are grades, which indicates the grade of oil achieved at the working temperature...

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Please justify the piston clearance issue if there is no loss of oil even after 3000 Kms.

So, you mean to say that, the oil used by Audi in LeMans race is the same that is used in Audi A4? Also, are you aware about the grade used in F1 cars? Since you are comparing a F1 car with a normal car, let me ask you this, the F1 car goes upto 18k RPM when it reaches its top speed. Ever seen a car that runs on road going upto that RPM? Its the same with bikes also. Also, a bike oil has completely different chemistry than that of a car oil. Car oil protects only the engine. Whereas a bike oil protects Engine, Clutch and Gearbox.

The viscometric (grading) of the oil is done to use a single oil in different ambient conditions.

Cheerz!!

[forceedge]

Re: Engine Oils

So, you mean to say that, the oil used by Audi in LeMans race is the same that is used in Audi A4? Also, are you aware about the grade used in F1 cars? Since you are comparing a F1 car with a normal car, let me ask you this, the F1 car goes upto 18k RPM when it reaches its top speed. Ever seen a car that runs on road going upto that RPM? Its the same with bikes also. Also, a bike oil has completely different chemistry than that of a car oil. Car oil protects only the engine. Whereas a bike oil protects Engine, Clutch and Gearbox.

The viscometric (grading) of the oil is done to use a single oil in different ambient conditions.

Cheerz!!

Sup... fortunately its true, but the oils are basically same with a bit of more ester content to keep it together and few more additives, as those cars have better aerodynamics & cooling systems so that the engine would produce less amount of heat even at 18K RPM. Also the F1 engine can rev upto 25K RPM easily, but since only 8 engine changes are allotted to every driver, they put a limiter on the same... Unfortunately, I was luck enough to have participated in one of BMW's Efficient Dynamics small campaign. Please do note that, most of the oil companies put theirs oils to test on the tracks, where they would be pushed beyond the limits... For the record you may want to check out Mobil's site as well as Shell's site. They've put their road legal oils to test at Le Mans. I already know the difference between a car oil and bike oil... Cars have entirely different setup for their gearboxes, hence, separate chamber for gears. Whereas in bikes, its the same chamber.

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[muztariq]

Re: Engine Oils

300V or 8100/6100 ? Make your choice :
Oil choice depends on your use :
300V are especially designed for racing, Motul is providing to end-
consumers the lubricants set up for the teams : that is to say that the
products you can find on the shop shelves are the same as products used
by the teams for races.

Motul info - evolutionm.net

I cant guarantee about other racing brands.. but 300V is of the shelf racing oil.

Oil blackening is two faced sword:

If you are regularly changing oil and when you put a fresh oil, if the oil turns pitch black(in a petrol engine) within 200 kms.. there is a problem with the oil.

FS oils do not turn black even after 2000 km on a normal motorcycle.. they dont clean? If a poorly refined oil is used, it would turn black in no time.

[forceedge]

Re: Engine Oils

300V or 8100/6100 ? Make your choice :
Oil choice depends on your use :
300V are especially designed for racing, Motul is providing to end-
consumers the lubricants set up for the teams : that is to say that the
products you can find on the shop shelves are the same as products used
by the teams for races.

Motul info - evolutionm.net

I cant guarantee about other racing brands.. but 300V is of the shelf racing oil.

Oil blackening is two faced sword:

If you are regularly changing oil and when you put a fresh oil, if the oil turns pitch black(in a petrol engine) within 200 kms.. there is a problem with the oil.

FS oils do not turn black even after 2000 km on a normal motorcycle.. they dont clean? If a poorly refined oil is used, it would turn black in no time.

Thank You for honest and factual reply... Do you have any experience with Bajaj 10000 oil??? 20W50???

[pixantz]

Re: Engine Oils

Not really. The oil is tested by the QC guys and after getting heads up from the QC, it is packed. Also, all these big oil companies dont like messing around with the quality. The same oil might go to the OEM as well as to the local market.

Cheerz!!

Speaking of OEM oil, I think all descerning riders who want to use it, either during free services or otherwise, may do so but please get the oil from a reputed vendor and get them to use that, dont trust the svc in putting pure oil. As far as they're concerned, their personal profits and margins are the main reasons they exist. Not to serve us. There is a 200% chance of adulteration/dilution. I used to do it when I had a new bike. Just my two cents....


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[sinnerz2000]

Re: Engine Oils

What would be the drain interval of Motul 5100? 4000km?

[nadz11.ns]

Re: Engine Oils

What would be the drain interval of Motul 5100? 4000km?

4000kms would be way too long.. Change it around 3500kms..
the mineral oil after 2500kms looks soot black.. So i think SS oils would be good upto 3000-3500kms..

[albyjose]

Re: Engine Oils

How good is castrol power 1 10w40?
is this site trustworthy?-v-i-c-k-y .in (ignore the dashes,I could not copy and paste the link for some reason)
Any other semi synthetic 40 grade oil which I can get online?
My ride is rtr.

[Rakesh Rok]

Re: Engine Oils

How good is castrol power 1 10w40?
is this site trustworthy?-v-i-c-k-y .in (ignore the dashes,I could not copy and paste the link for some reason)
Any other semi synthetic 40 grade oil which I can get online?
My ride is rtr.

best and my favorite. . . I was too confused about fully synthetic ones, so just got back with this, makes the engine smooth. . .

Cheers!!!

[nadz11.ns]

Re: Engine Oils

How good is castrol power 1 10w40?
is this site trustworthy?-v-i-c-k-y .in (ignore the dashes,I could not copy and paste the link for some reason)
Any other semi synthetic 40 grade oil which I can get online?
My ride is rtr.

don't ever use it.. i used it in my ride.. the performance became worst.. had to change after only 400kms.. and the color had become black..
use some other brand..

[xpranav]

Re: Engine Oils

How good is castrol power 1 10w40?
is this site trustworthy?-v-i-c-k-y .in (ignore the dashes,I could not copy and paste the link for some reason)
Any other semi synthetic 40 grade oil which I can get online?
My ride is rtr.

Castrol is a good brand to use but recently our markets have been flooded by the fake ones, and they are really hard to differentiate visually. Unless you know the Castrol seller very well it is safe to stick to some other reputed brand

[forceedge]

Re: Engine Oils

Castrol is a good brand to use but recently our markets have been flooded by the fake ones, and they are really hard to differentiate visually. Unless you know the Castrol seller very well it is safe to stick to some other reputed brand

Have posted a link a while back to identify a fake one... Please refer that people... If you are interested in Castrol Oils...