Engine Oils

[devils_friend]

Re: Engine Oils

I am 2500 kms on odo on my pulsar 200ns, And going for an oil change. My options are
1. Bajaj-dtsi, 2.Motul 7100 and 3.Mobil1
Which one should I go for?
ASC do not keep motul 5100.

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If you want Mineral oil, go for Motul 3000T. The shifts are butter smooth. Only issue will be, slight heat will be felt.

If you want semi-synthetic, go for Shell AX7. Absolute gem.

If you want synthetic oil, go for Motul 300V.

IMO, stick to Mineral oil till 5 services get over.

Cheerz!!

[skv]

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Thanks for replies

Stick to company oil till the bike is under warranty.

Any specific reasons considering that I will purchase it from them. They are having Motul 7100 and mobil1 as alternatives and are ready to fill it.

If you want Mineral oil, go for Motul 3000T. The shifts are butter smooth. Only issue will be, slight heat will be felt.

If you want semi-synthetic, go for Shell AX7. Absolute gem.

If you want synthetic oil, go for Motul 300V.

IMO, stick to Mineral oil till 5 services get over.

Cheerz!!

The ASC have only Motul 7100 and mobil1 as option. Otherwise I also wanted Motul 3000T/5100T.

And you mentioned Shell AX7. AFAIK it is 20w40 and bajaj recommends 20w50. Can we use it for 200ns.



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[nadz11.ns]

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Thanks for replies
Any specific reasons considering that I will purchase it from them. They are having Motul 7100 and mobil1 as alternatives and are ready to fill it.

Most svc don't use oil other than the one given by the company and say this will void the warranty. If they are ok with that, no problem.
Also, best practice is to stick with the mineral for atleast 10k. That is want most follow. But you can use SS or FS if you want.

[ashwanth.r]

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A couple of months back, I walked into a shop selling auto lubes and asked for a twenty forty oil. "Yenna bike saar?" (What bike is it?) was the shopkeeper's question. "GS", "GS-one fifty-R". He obviously went blank . I showed him the bike the asked again for a mineral/SS 20-40. I was handed a Mobil Delvac but didn't take it as it had truck's picture and boldly said something like heavy duty diesel engine oil. But today, I spent half of my day reading about the pros and cons (on net and here) of using a diesel engine oil in a gasoline engine.

Have some questions:

1. Will the diesel engine oil damage the seals or Cat Con of my bike?

2. Do PSR ji, Divya Saran and others still use Shell diesel engine oil in your ZMR/FZ? How is the experience so far? For how many kms have you used (or) have you guys shifted back to motorcycle oils?

3. High RPM is not a issue as I never cross 5000-6000 rpm (GS engine is redlined at 10K). Have anyone used this in Unicorn or GS150R? Suzuki recommends SAE 20W-40 for GS (Nothing like JASO MA, etc are mentioned in the manual).

4. Is Mobil Delvac 1400 a SS oil ?

5. I read here that the HDEOs don't darken till 1000-1500 kms - is that true? A high detergent oil should darken cleaning out all the junk and carbon from combustion within 100s of kms (or) will it stay "new in colour" for longer if the previous oil did the cleaning job well?

P.S. I understand "My bike, my risk!"

[devils_friend]

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The ASC have only Motul 7100 and mobil1 as option. Otherwise I also wanted Motul 3000T/5100T.

And you mentioned Shell AX7. AFAIK it is 20w40 and bajaj recommends 20w50. Can we use it for 200ns.



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Are you sure they have Mobil 1 oil? AFAIK, Bajaj/KTM mostly uses Motul oil's. The Bajaj SVC uses DTSi oil (made by Hindustan Petroleum) and KTM guys use Motul oil. But, even the Bajaj SVC uses Motul oil if they don't have stock of DTSi oil.

Shell AX7 (Semi synthetic) is 10W40 oil.

The SVC pushes hard to use oil from them. Check the user manual if anything has been mentioned about usage of any particular (brand) oil.

Cheerz!!

[muztariq]

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1. Will the diesel engine oil damage the seals or Cat Con of my bike?
Not really, if the ash value of the oil you select is less than 1.4%, nothing would happen to cat con. Diesel oils does not contain any ingredient which is not there in normal motorcycle mineral oil, there wont be any seal damage.

2. Do PSR ji, Divya Saran and others still use Shell diesel engine oil in your ZMR/FZ? How is the experience so far? For how many kms have you used (or) have you guys shifted back to motorcycle oils?
Buy a 5 litre can and you are good for 2 years/15000 kms.

3. High RPM is not a issue as I never cross 5000-6000 rpm (GS engine is redlined at 10K). Have anyone used this in Unicorn or GS150R? Suzuki recommends SAE 20W-40 for GS (Nothing like JASO MA, etc are mentioned in the manual).
If you want to use HDEO oils, high rpms are not at all an issue.

4. Is Mobil Delvac 1400 a SS oil ?
No. Its a good quality mineral oil.

5. I read here that the HDEOs don't darken till 1000-1500 kms - is that true? A high detergent oil should darken cleaning out all the junk and carbon from combustion within 100s of kms (or) will it stay "new in colour" for longer if the previous oil did the cleaning job well?
When you open an engine which has seen oil changes regularly, there is no carbon inside the engine. You would see some harmless carbon deposits in the sump or on the first few rings of the piston. The darkening of oil in petrol engines is mainly due to oil itself getting burned or fuel getting inside the oil and getting burned. On an intact engine, fuel doesn't come to oil quickly hence, synthetic oils take 2000 or more kms to darken and good mineral oils take 1000 km or so to darken.

P.S. I understand "My bike, my risk!"

You need to experience diesel engine oils yourself to feel the benefits.

[ashwanth.r]

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You need to experience diesel engine oils yourself to feel the benefits.

Okay, was concerned because read on the net that phosphorus from the ZDDP forms a layer on the Cat-con and damages it.

So if I understand correctly, except the "1-series" - the 1400, MX and the "lower" 1300, 1340 Delvacs are all mineral oils. So I can use them for 3000 kms max I guess.

Is Rimula from Shell the Indian equivalent of Rotella series?

Also, Can I please know the proper way to dispose the oil filter? If I am not supposed to pour the engine oil in soil/drainage, I have the same problem with the filter too.

[muztariq]

Re: Engine Oils

Okay, was concerned because read on the net that phosphorus from the ZDDP forms a layer on the Cat-con and damages it.

So if I understand correctly, except the "1-series" - the 1400, MX and the "lower" 1300, 1340 Delvacs are all mineral oils. So I can use them for 3000 kms max I guess.

Is Rimula from Shell the Indian equivalent of Rotella series?

Also, Can I please know the proper way to dispose the oil filter? If I am not supposed to pour the engine oil in soil/drainage, I have the same problem with the filter too.

Is Rimula from Shell the Indian equivalent of Rotella series?

Mobil 1300 in US is not equivalent to Mobil 1300 in India(compare the API specs of both the oils). You cant correlate even if it is mentioned that they are equivalent.

Regarding oil filter - just give it to a mechanic or sell it in scrap. It will find its way to the place it belongs.

[psr]

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I am still using Shell Rimula R3x in my ZMA-R and Mr.Divya Sharan uses either R3x or Rimula R4 in his ZMR. I had clocked approximately 1,800 Kms with R3X and Mr.Divya had done approximately 22,000 Kms with R3x and R4..he changes oil at 1,800 Kms, and I am due for a change...The R4 is better since it also contains Calcium alkaryl sulphonate which is an anti wear additive.
Will I switch back to Normal Gasoline engine oil ? NO, after the performance I had felt with the Rimula there is no going back for me to normal oils.

[Divya Sharan]

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[MENTION=33190]ashwanth.r[/MENTION], no need to worry bud! As PSR sir said, I've done 22+k kms on Rimula and pretty satisfied with it. Less vibes, same mileage and no cat con/seal damage.

[AK3D]

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Have some questions:

1. Will the diesel engine oil damage the seals or Cat Con of my bike?
Negative
2. Do PSR ji, Divya Saran and others still use Shell diesel engine oil in your ZMR/FZ? How is the experience so far? For how many kms have you used (or) have you guys shifted back to motorcycle oils?

5. I read here that the HDEOs don't darken till 1000-1500 kms - is that true? A high detergent oil should darken cleaning out all the junk and carbon from combustion within 100s of kms (or) will it stay "new in colour" for longer if the previous oil did the cleaning job well?
Depends - on my initial usage, the oil was very dark when drained at about 1500kms, after that with new oil and a long trip behind me, it's still brownish after 1800+ kms. Gear shifts are still smooth and the engine runs cool and smoothly.

P.S. I understand "My bike, my risk!"

I am still using Shell Rimula R3x in my ZMA-R and Mr.Divya Sharan uses either R3x or Rimula R4 in his ZMR. I had clocked approximately 1,800 Kms with R3X and Mr.Divya had done approximately 22,000 Kms with R3x and R4..he changes oil at 1,800 Kms, and I am due for a change...The R4 is better since it also contains Calcium alkaryl sulphonate which is an anti wear additive.
Will I switch back to Normal Gasoline engine oil ? NO, after the performance I had felt with the Rimula there is no going back for me to normal oils.

Am using Shell Rimula R4 without any problems in my ZMA. First used during the second quarter of this year, went for a long trip in very hot conditions. The oil performed admirably. The first drain was very dark - I assumed that all soot/deposits had been cleaned up due to the oil. Another round of R4 later, I'm at 1800+ kms and counting. Gear shifts are very smooth, as is the engine. The oil is still light in colour rather than dark so I'm confident it should easily take another 500 kms in its stride.

[abhi7013]

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Don't leav me out! Me too with rimula r3x for over 15k+ kms!

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[raging_bull]

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In this way my and other xbhpians RTR have crossed 35k kms and we tried motul synthetic once. Still the level decreases in 2200kms of "city commuting". Does that mean RTR is poorly engineered, I wont agree to it.
If you check other forums you can easy check, everyone has mentioned gradual change of oil. Sticking to full synthetic is solely personal decision depending on whether the particular bike runs good on that oil or not.

@ALL : I guess we have had enough "engine oil" discuss on "ownership" thread. There is seperate thread for oills, I would request people to carry on over there.

Thanks for redirecting. See, there's a lot of difference between a car engine and a bike engine. A bike engine, is by design more susceptible to quick wear and tear. Bikes need frequent servicing, oil change, all because of this. Now you know why heavy duty engine oils are very effective on motorcycle engines .

Btw, I didn't get the meaning of what you said. What was the message you were trying to convey?

There's no doubt that a good synthetic oil is best for engine life and overall performance. Even when we talk about HDEOs, the synthetic ones are better than the mineral ones.

We know that a fully synthetic oil is better. It has been proven. When the bikes of the major players in the industry can use it, why our Pulsars and RTRs can't? Does that indicate a problem with the bike or a problem with the synthetic technology?
I don't know for sure why this is happening but I think moving to fully synthetic oil after running on other oils for a long time is the reason behind this. And Pulsars and RTRs are among the most abused bikes. Guys usually rev'em hard which explains the possible, increased wear.

[prateek2210]

Re: Engine Oils

There's no doubt that a good synthetic oil is best for engine life and overall performance. Even when we talk about HDEOs, the synthetic ones are better than the mineral ones.

We know that a fully synthetic oil is better. It has been proven. When the bikes of the major players in the industry can use it, why our Pulsars and RTRs can't? Does that indicate a problem with the bike or a problem with the synthetic technology?
I don't know for sure why this is happening but I think moving to fully synthetic oil after running on other oils for a long time is the reason behind this. And Pulsars and RTRs are among the most abused bikes. Guys usually rev'em hard which explains the possible, increased wear.

First of all can you show me where it has been written that its mandatory to use Synthetic oil in every bike?
Secondly, when people have witnessed synthetic oil being used faster than semi and mineral, why are you forcing them (with posts) to get Synthethic. They have read , witnessed what have been written, let them choose the oil.
Thirdly, I hope you didnt mean any dis-regard to the bold part. If yes, then no one can change your perception. If no, then good.

There is a phrase ,"To each his own". You have put your point, me and others have been doing it for sometime. Let the rider decide.
PERIOD

[psr]

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Raging bull...A synthetic oil is Good and better than mineral. That said a worn engine, or an engine which had aged and has larger machining or parts tolerance ,cannot use it for the simple reason that the smaller particles of FS will leak through...Secondly the cost of FS is really high. My personal preference is to use Mineral oil and change more times than retaining same oil for longer time/Kms. It is a known fact that New engine oil does have it's benefit . All of us have our own reason for our choices in the world , like my crazy experiment with Diesel oil in my bike...Some times things works out, sometimes it does not.