Engine Oils

[GOLDWING]

Re: Engine Oils

[MENTION=47715]muztariq[/MENTION] , If shouting gets the peoples attention towards the not-so-perceptable ill effects of HDEOs ON the major key-components, THEN so it be !

[ashwanth.r]

Re: Engine Oils

Mobil Delvac 1300 Super vs Motorcycle oils

• Currently, my GS150R runs on 1300 Super. Its 2600 kms+ "old" and its due for a change (See the reason below).
• Previous oil I used was also the same - I used it for ~3900 kms (Suzuki recommends a 4000 km oil change and also I was lazy to change it). This one held well for 3000 kms.
• Now I have a 1L bottle of Motul 3000 4T Plus 20W-40 mineral and Shell AX5 20W-40 - Next 2 oil changes will utilize these.
• I am also concerned about the lack (?) of "motorcycle oil-specific" additives in a HDEO like 1300 Super, however, Mobil claims 1300 Super has excellent shear-breakdown resistance which is impossible without pressure additives of some sort. No problems as of now.
• Have tried Castrol Go!20W-40, bare-bones Servo 20W-40 and Shell AX-7 10W-40 SS. Both Servo and Castrol held well for 2500 kms. Shell AX-7 was used briefly when my SVC wrongly filled 10W-30.
• In my observation, 1L of either 1300 Super, Motul 4T Plus or AX-5 cost Rs 290-ish. Cost wise there is not much difference. As Psr sir once told, using HDEOs is mainly for the detergents and protective action of ZDDP. He also pointed out it is a personal risk/experiment and he is not advocating their use in M/Cs.
• SS Shell AX-7 is very close to Shell Rimula R4 (One can search and compare their PDS and MSDS) w.r.t. ZDDP and detergents.
• Basic 20W-40 oil works well for GS150R as per Suzuki's recommendation.
• Am planning to stop hopping from oil-to-oil and settle on either one of the HDEOs or recently introduced Suzuki-Motul 10W-40!
• You know the previous point is a lie .

[GOLDWING]

Re: Engine Oils

Mobil Delvac 1300 Super vs Motorcycle oils

• Currently, my GS150R runs on 1300 Super. Its 2600 kms+ "old" and its due for a change (See the reason below).
• Previous oil I used was also the same - I used it for ~3900 kms (Suzuki recommends a 4000 km oil change and also I was lazy to change it). This one held well for 3000 kms.
• Now I have a 1L bottle of Motul 3000 4T Plus 20W-40 mineral and Shell AX5 20W-40 - Next 2 oil changes will utilize these.
• I am also concerned about the lack (?) of "motorcycle oil-specific" additives in a HDEO like 1300 Super, however, Mobil claims 1300 Super has excellent shear-breakdown resistance which is impossible without pressure additives of some sort. No problems as of now.
• Have tried Castrol Go!20W-40, bare-bones Servo 20W-40 and Shell AX-7 10W-40 SS. Both Servo and Castrol held well for 2500 kms. Shell AX-7 was used briefly when my SVC wrongly filled 10W-30.
• In my observation, 1L of either 1300 Super, Motul 4T Plus or AX-5 cost Rs 290-ish. Cost wise there is not much difference. As Psr sir once told, using HDEOs is mainly for the detergents and protective action of ZDDP. He also pointed out it is a personal risk/experiment and he is not advocating their use in M/Cs.
• SS Shell AX-7 is very close to Shell Rimula R4 (One can search and compare their PDS and MSDS) w.r.t. ZDDP and detergents.
• Basic 20W-40 oil works well for GS150R as per Suzuki's recommendation.
• Am planning to stop hopping from oil-to-oil and settle on either one of the HDEOs or recently introduced Suzuki-Motul 10W-40!
• You know the previous point is a lie .

see ! That's what i call honest and knowledgeable sharing !
BRAVO !

[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

I would like to know what are the negative consequences of using a HDEO in a motorcycle. Everybody writes about the benefits. Nobody comments about the negatives.

It is just impossible to believe that HDEO doesnt have any negative side effects on a motorcycle engine. It just cannot be.

I simply refuse to believe this because if HDEO provides only added benefits (without negative side effects) when compared to motorcycle oils, then why are oil manufacturing companies and oil refineries spending crores of rupees on manufacturing and marketing 2 different oils (HDEOs & MCEOs) as 2 separate products in the market.

I mean, C'mon guys, nowadays oil manufacturing companies have come out with separate oils for scooters. HDEOs are used in diesel engines where the transmission is lubricated by gear oil. @GOLDWING said HDEOs might be good for motorcycle engines but are they really beneficial for the motorcycle transmission, clutch plates etc

So I feel, now that we have reached a near 1000 page thread, it is high time that some one comes out with the whole and absolute truth about HDEOs. Oil Experts on the forum please elaborate. Anybody working in oil refineries/ oil manufacturing companies??

PS:- guys just go thru this before using HDEOs.

http://www.drivenracingoil.com/news/dro/training-center/articles/zinc-in-motor-oil/

I am sure the amount and grade of ZDDP in HDEOs is different as compared to MCEOs

[sancreation]

Re: Engine Oils

Shell announced their new motorcycle engine oil of 5w40 in us ..waiting for it to launch in india..

sancreation

[GOLDWING]

Re: Engine Oils

[MENTION=68044]Honda_abhi[/MENTION] Thanks , for second'ing to some SOUL SEARCH on the HDEOs !

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Shell announced their new motorcycle engine oil of 5w40 in us ..waiting for it to launch in india..

sancreation

Yeah lets for it until our bike engines wear out their natural lives ( for it will not be launched here for quite a forseeable future ) !
If you want 5W40 try this -

Petronas Syntium 3000 SM 5W40 Synthetic Engine Oil (1 L)

[sancreation]

Re: Engine Oils

The one u mentioned is for cars not bikes...i don't want to tinker with my bikes engine with car oil

sancreation

[GOLDWING]

Re: Engine Oils

The one u mentioned is for cars not bikes...i don't want to tinker with my bikes engine with car oil

sancreation

Thats Music to my ears , bud ! music, i tell you
Then you are right, we'll have to wait for it, although i don't see it happening anytime soon

[sancreation]

Re: Engine Oils

U can say that again..not going to happen any time soon :banghead::banghead:

sancreation

[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

U can say that again..not going to happen any time soon :banghead::banghead:

sancreation

Motul has a motorcycle oil in the 5W30 grade if u r interested in 5W grades.

5W oils are good for racing where the oil doesnot make the bike engine sluggish and provides higher acceleration. But as it provides very less protection the engine doesnot last long. As it is, it doesnt matter because race bikers rebuild the engines after every race.

Taking into consideration the indian climate, driving style and the road conditions, it is advisable to use thicker oils preferably 10W40 or better still would be 20W40.

Its a myth that a 20W40 oil makes the bike sluggish. I have a 110cc HOnda bike where a 10W30 oil is recommended but i use a 20W40 oil with no negative effects at all. But of course, I have done the engine run-in on 20W40 oil, hence the bike engine is accustomed to that grade.

[asn39]

Re: Engine Oils

m gonna try 20w40 next to next service as currently using shell ax7 but somehow feeling engine is rough at abt 1800kms next trying 10w30 honda oil

i think weather is the culprit !

[GOLDWING]

Re: Engine Oils

m gonna try 20w40 next to next service as currently using shell ax7 but somehow feeling engine is rough at abt 1800kms next trying 10w30 honda oil

i think weather is the culprit !

Try shell ax5 10w30. Holds much better than honda oil ; even in temp. of above 40c

[muztariq]

Re: Engine Oils

I would like to know what are the negative consequences of using a HDEO in a motorcycle. Everybody writes about the benefits. Nobody comments about the negatives.

It is just impossible to believe that HDEO doesnt have any negative side effects on a motorcycle engine. It just cannot be.

I simply refuse to believe this because if HDEO provides only added benefits (without negative side effects) when compared to motorcycle oils, then why are oil manufacturing companies and oil refineries spending crores of rupees on manufacturing and marketing 2 different oils (HDEOs & MCEOs) as 2 separate products in the market.

I mean, C'mon guys, nowadays oil manufacturing companies have come out with separate oils for scooters. HDEOs are used in diesel engines where the transmission is lubricated by gear oil. @GOLDWING said HDEOs might be good for motorcycle engines but are they really beneficial for the motorcycle transmission, clutch plates etc

So I feel, now that we have reached a near 1000 page thread, it is high time that some one comes out with the whole and absolute truth about HDEOs. Oil Experts on the forum please elaborate. Anybody working in oil refineries/ oil manufacturing companies??

PS:- guys just go thru this before using HDEOs.

The Truth About Zinc & Motor Oil - Driven Racing Oil

I am sure the amount and grade of ZDDP in HDEOs is different as compared to MCEOs

The risk with using HDEOs is well documented in this thread. Just to clarify further, HDEOs are stronger and much better oil. May not be required by an average user. But for high revving engines, these can provide extra protection.

Harley recommends usage of diesel engine oils in case their oil is not available. Even they know the protective properties of these oils.

https://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/Owners/om/2012/en/touring/file-8.comp#table-hdtopic001008-1

[GOLDWING]

Re: Engine Oils

The risk with using HDEOs is well documented in this thread. Just to clarify further, HDEOs are stronger and much better oil. May not be required by an average user. But for high revving engines, these can provide extra protection.

Harley recommends usage of diesel engine oils in case their oil is not available. Even they know the protective properties of these oils.

https://www.harley-davidson.com/en_U...dtopic001008-1

With all due respect,
In the pic, just after your highlighting, it is also written
" AT THE FIRST opportunity , see an HD auth. dlr to change back to 100 % genuine HD OIL "
NOT to continue on your merry way to some thousand kms or even more !

[muztariq]

Re: Engine Oils

With all due respect,
In the pic, just after your highlighting, it is also written
" AT THE FIRST opportunity , see an HD auth. dlr to change back to 100 % genuine HD OIL "
NOT to continue on your merry way to some thousand kms or even more !

Yes, if you have mixed oil. In case you have used 100% Diesel, no need for that.

This motorcycle was originally equipped with Genuine H-D 360 Multi-Grade 20W50 engine oil, and is the preferred oil under normal operating conditions. If operation under extreme cold or heat are expected, refer to Recommended Engine Oils for alternative choices.

If you are running in low temperatures, only diesel oil is recommended.

I am neither an HDEO spokesperson, not using the motorbike much nowadays. One should decide whats good or bad for his vehicle. For some machines a 10w30 is good enough. Whenever in doubt, use the owner's manual recommended oil. But, even owner's manual recommended oils are not comfortable many times. A look at the Pulsar 220 thread clarifies all the doubts in one go.

Let us find the drawbacks of HDEOs from various threads around the world and then make an informed decision.

My intention is to save some bucks people spend on synthetic. Motul 300V 10w40 and Motul 300V 15w50 are undoubtedly the best oils one can gift to his machine.