Engine Oils

[ceasar]

going through 30 pages was a hectic task only because i could not find any information/querries about the engine oil which is suitable for p180 ug3 and finally gave up..otherwise its one of the most informative threads on XBHP
aneway coming to my problem.
i had no gyaan about the engine oil and stuff when i bought p180 a year ago,it was only after that i joined XBHP,even though i dint pay any attention to this thread,that was a BIG mistake from my side
i reside in a small topwn 90k from HYD ..
4 services done till now clocked 5000 odd KM
but one of the facts i was not able to digest was about the smoothness of the engine
it used to go just after one day of the service,i experienced this every time
i was fed up,so i went to HYD ..asked mech near by ,he said the engine oil is the culprit,without taking a look at this thread i mmediately went to near by SC asked them to fill my bike with power 1,now i know thats 20w40,i bought it for 300,the experience with this oil is good compared the oil which was used earlier in my town which i used to get in just 220RS.DAMN SC.now i understood what kinda oil they used to fill in my bike,when iever i asked they told me that its a POWER 1
only after checking this thread i came to know that i did a mistake again,i had a misconception that power 1 is 20w50
now iam planning to change the oil ASAP.
the question is which one fits the bill perfectly,
castrol have actic xtra 20w50 which is not good as pointed out by sandeep
castrol GTX 20w50 which should not be used in moteor bikes
now MOTUL 5100 15W50..i read that thers lot of leaking problems with MOTUL 300V,however,iam not sure if thers any problem with this oil,plz throw some light on this ,and also mention ur experience with this oil on p180
valvoline p 4T 20w50--this is the oil iam planning to use now,plz share some reviews on this
if there is no leaking problem with motul 5100 ,i'll go for it

anyother oil from other brands which is suitable for p180?

[GP_freak]

valvoline p 4T 20w50--this is the oil iam planning to use now,plz share some reviews on this

Valvoline 20/50 is a semi synhetic. I havebeen usin that from 13.5k in Odo. Now its around 45 k. Its really good. The engine becomes smoother and vibes are dished out. But it comes at a price, a very minute/negligible drop in acceleration could be observed.

[ceasar]

Valvoline 20/50 is a semi synhetic. I havebeen usin that from 13.5k in Odo. Now its around 45 k. Its really good. The engine becomes smoother and vibes are dished out. But it comes at a price, a very minute/negligible drop in acceleration could be observed.

thx for sharing this,well one can have it for around 300 isn't it? or does it cost more than that?
iam not worried about pickup,all i want is smoothness

what about motul 5100? has anyone used it in p180? ay leaking problems?

[GP_freak]

thx for sharing this,well one can have it for around 300 isn't it? or does it cost more than that?
iam not worried about pickup,all i want is smoothness

what about motul 5100? has anyone used it in p180? ay leaking problems?

MRP-305 Rs. Try it once

[ceasar]

^yup,i will

[abhilashabhi12]

thx for sharing this,well one can have it for around 300 isn't it? or does it cost more than that?
iam not worried about pickup,all i want is smoothness

what about motul 5100? has anyone used it in p180? ay leaking problems?

Try the Motul 5100 it is single Ester & I haven't heard anyone of having problem with Pulsars running in 5100.

Very few Pulsars had problem with 300V FL which boasts Double Ester technology..

But Motul comes @ around 395rs/ltr

[ceasar]

Try the Motul 5100 it is single Ester & I haven't heard anyone of having problem with Pulsars running in 5100.

Very few Pulsars had problem with 300V FL which boasts Double Ester technology..

But Motul comes @ around 395rs/ltr

hmm point noted.
how is the performance? is it worth 395?

[andy118]

i recently changed d engine oil, and poured in motul 5100 and d result is drastic...thanxs to u guys...d pick up has gone up substantially....only prob is wid 1st gear..it feels little sluggish...plz tell me wat more can be done in order to keep my bike in healthy condition????

[noel046]

Guys I'm undergoing some serious problem... I had changed engine oil and used it for 800kms till date and now my Hunk clocks at 1400km... Since past 200km I'm observing that engine has developed cold start problem as well as engine heating for small travels... Today I checked my engine oil level... It has grown some 25% above the high head marking on the stick and oil feels like it has lost its thickness n has become like water(I mean viscosity)... But during oil change I had it changed in front of me... I personally checked the level then it was correct (I got it changed at showroom during my first service)...

Oil used is HH engine oil 10 W30 manufactured by BPCl (as they order only this)

So now I'm planning to go for some other oil... I thought of using Motul 5100 or gulf pride 4T plus... I enquired and found Motul 5100 10W30 is available... Can any1 explain whats Technosynthese mean...

Which oil do You people think will be good for the relatively new engine...And I don want to use fully synthetic oils

[udayrrr]

Guys I'm undergoing some serious problem... I had changed engine oil and used it for 800kms till date and now my Hunk clocks at 1400km... Since past 200km I'm observing that engine has developed cold start problem as well as engine heating for small travels... Today I checked my engine oil level... It has grown some 25% above the high head marking on the stick and oil feels like it has lost its thickness n has become like water(I mean viscosity)... But during oil change I had it changed in front of me... I personally checked the level then it was correct (I got it changed at showroom during my first service)...

Oil used is HH engine oil 10 W30 manufactured by BPCl (as they order only this)

So now I'm planning to go for some other oil... I thought of using Motul 5100 or gulf pride 4T plus... I enquired and found Motul 5100 10W30 is available... Can any1 explain whats Technosynthese mean...

Which oil do You people think will be good for the relatively new engine...And I don want to use fully synthetic oils

both are not fully synthetic oils they are semi synthetic oils
wait for 3 to 4k for fully synthetic oils
for u r situation best to stick with gulf or u can try motul though comes at a price.

[gixxer_junkie_m]

Friends , i have a 2002 year model SUZUKI FIERO and it has done only about 25,000 kms till date.When the bike was new i used to fill her up with castrol active 4t and let me tell you the engine used to sound like a tractor's engine.
Remember back then there were no ss or fs oil available till castrol came out with p1 and prior to that i had switched over to penzoil .Mind you all in 20w40 grade.Then once castrol p1 came i immediately started using it and i used to change mineral oil every 1k kms .So castrol p1 was an improvement and i stayed with it .In spite of changing oil at every 1k kms the castrol p1 used to get thin if the bike was rode for some time in daytime.Meaning engine noise would go up.
Then motul came to india and boy was i happy! i immediately began using Motul 300v competition 15w50 and the bike became butter smooth and revved like crazy!.Fiero is always silk smooth at top end and this oil made it rev and asked me to rev it even more on highways and the engine would remain noiseless after ripping it for constant of more than 60 to 70kms straight without a break!.
Then on my second bottle of Motul 300v i changed the GB sprocket to an 14 teeth one from the stock 13 teeth to make the gearing taller .Maybe i made the engine lug in higher gears or maybe for some other reason. To my shock i started getting burnt oil smell whenever i was at signal lights or when i stopped the bike .But i thought it can't be my bike as i take care of it even more than any girls i've been after and i assumed it must be coming from some other vehicle .But i grew suspicious as i began to notice that when ever i got that "bore smell" the common factor was always my bike. So in order to clear my suspicion i checked the oil level after riding like that for about 15 days.Luckily it had all been short commutes to gym and i found the oil level low and along with it i saw something sticking to the silencer pipe and it looked like some kind of oil patch and i immediately assumed it must be the reason for the burnt oil smell and dismissed the low oil level as a result of the recent commute.Mind you the engine was oil tight and i had never experienced oil leak on my bike .
Anyway i was suspicious of the "bore smell" and went to my mechanic to drain the oil out to see the quantity and state of the oil.It had done just 3.5k .Boy ! was i shocked ! there was not more than maybe 300ml of oil left!! and when he put his hand a couple of inch from the exhaust hole and revved the bike there was black soot on his hand!!!! and i had checked many times prior to that day to see if my bike was smoking and i had found out there was no smoke coming from the bike!!
So we opened up the engine and found that there was a slight gap when piston was put into the bore without the rings .Indicating it had worn out a bit .But it was very clear that oil had been entering the combustion chamber .Since there wasn't any black soot on the sides of the piston it meant that the there must leak from the valves and sure enough when i took the head to lathe for being re-set it came out that an valve oil seal had gone bad and had caused the oil to enter the combustion chamber.
The question here is did the oil seal gave way because of making the engine lug in higher gears or was the Motul 300 v the culprit?. Because as far as i can remember i had never made the engine lug as i am well aware of the technical things regarding a 4 stroke engine and as to how to keep it in the power band by making use of the gears.
Anyway due to lack of sufficient oil the piston had caused early wear of the bore and now i took the excuse to convert the bike to an 200 cc one with a ported head and i am running in the bike now .I decided on Yamalube 15w50 ss for my next change and bought a can yesterday.
The reason for going for a 15w50 semi synthetic oil is that the engine is now over-square with 65.5 mm bore and 57.8 stroke .So the bike revvs easily and will rev like crazy .The power-band has shifted up the rev range and compression has gone up too.
My advise is , if you are seeing drop in oil level .Make sure there isn't oil burning smell coming and don't look for white smoke .Instead put your hand a couple of inches from the silencer exit hole and make sure there is no black soot on your hand when the bike is revved.
PS:currently running in the bike with Shell advance 20w40 mineral oil.

[abhichotu.abhi]

hmm point noted.
how is the performance? is it worth 395?

I have used that in past no problems, and i have again changed oil yesterday from petronas to MOTUL 5100 semi synthetic costed 325 rs only.

[zayn]

Big no to elf moto 4 gold

BIG NO TO ELF MOTO 4 GOLD

Engine Oil: ELF MOTO 4 GOLD

Specifications: 20w40 API SM JASO MA2

Motorcycle tested on: Bajaj Pulsar 150 Dtsi

Recently filled my bike with Elf Moto 4 Gold engine oil may be named gold but it's no where near to Lead also.
This oil in my opinion is not meant for Pulsar 150's unless and untill you are a fanatic stunter or crazy commuter. Elf Moto 4 Gold engine oil is as thick as glue,manly I leave my home in morning at around 7am or 7:30am erliear when I was using Valvoline Semi synthetic 20w40 engine oil I use to start my bike in only 2-3 kicks but after filling Elf I feel as if I have done my gym,morning walk etc what you say.It takes me 9-10 kicks to start my bike and after starting Icing on cake is that my timing chain sound as if it will fall into hundreds of pieces after minutes of idling its ready to go,but it was opposite in Valvoline

Now on Road:
When on roads drive 40kmph for mainly 5-6kms in that speeds this oil makes engine jerk a lot due to its low flowing nature in engine,I must say that.Till 80kmph its ok but exceeding this number is pain.Now on stoppage the gear refuses to shift to neutral as if they are slipping

Main Drawbacks are:
Thick like glue
Gear slippage
and
Less Clutch slippage but does.

Final verdict:
Not worth spending a single penny on this engine oil

[gixxer_junkie_m]

Continuing with my previous post .The thing is, even a healthy engine when its revved hard will consume some engine oil and it doesn't mean that something's wrong with the engine.That's the reason for the drop in oil levels and if u put your hand and check the exhaust gasses when revving hard .There's bound to be soot on your hand.So then to rule out trouble ,it's wise to check the state of the spark plug as well and to check for soot at low to mid-range revs.
But the smell of burning oil is major trouble as it means oil is entering the combustion chamber profusely.
Coming back to synthetic oils like motul 300v and petronas sprinta 5000 .By nature fully synthetic oils are very 'slippery' .So they will get through to the combustion chamber, when revved hard when at the same time normal mineral oil may not get through.
So it depends on the engine ,as to how old it is and the kind of tolerances the manufacturer allows.
For example i have seen many pulsars emitting soot when revved hard ,even when they are on mineral oil diet and without any worn out parts.
What that means is ,when you are switching over to fully synthetic oil ,it pays to keep a close watch on the bike's drinking habits and to keep checking the spark plug when ever oil level is checked.Otherwise it could prove costly.As synthetic oils WILL get through and make matters worse if care isn't taken.

[zayn]

@gixxer_junkie_m: so you mean when bike is smelling foul which mean an engine oil there might me low level of engine oil.
Ok now my question to you is:
I was smelling some bad engine oil when ever I stop at traffic signal.What I found was my engine seal was leaking so I get it repaired after that no smell but when I chnaged my engine oil the oil level drop a bit in figures around 600ml was there out of 1000ml ok I was not satisfied with that..so I showed it to the mechanic he said my engine cylinder is gone and this is why my bike is consuming lot of oil.I asked him how so he revved the engine he showed me some black and some amount of white smoke so I asked one more expert on this he said your piston ring must be gone
and this is all happing after when I changed my valve set.
+1 more point I think the bikes blow 2007 model can't handle Synthetic oil.