Engine Oils

[FATAL1TY - X]

BWT Castrol Power 1 racing is not much impressive IMHO.

yep, i know. so is the shell advance but still miles better than CP1R. dont know about the elf. other oils from elf are of good quality. so that might be a good buy and it also costs less at 700-750.

I have the same opinion but do not know why it sells so much much..

probably because of John abraham and his R1. god, please save the fanboys

The shop from which I buy Valvoline,the above said brands are there..Its near my house at Trivandrum. It's a MarginFree shop for Engine oils and other lubes. Its near Thampanoor
Here's the location.. the red dot.

thanks a ton dude. i'm doing a tour to ponmudi soon. so i can buy it at that time. thanks again. you are absolutely sure that it is Mobil 1 MX4T? because there is another mobil 1 here which is a car oil and not a moto specific oil and that costs 1000+(1050 to be precise. out here in my place that is.)

[Mecho]

I have the same opinion but do not know why it sells so much much..

Easily available..also its less viscous, hence more power output. Brand name is very popular.

[Mecho]

you are absolutely sure that it is Mobil 1 MX4T? because there is another mobil 1 here which is a car oil and not a moto specific oil and that costs 1000+(1050 to be precise. out here in my place that is.)

When are u planning the trip?? I'll confirm it in a couple f days.. I am pretty sure that it's for motorcycles cos I asked for it..and the shopkeeper showd it to me. Anyways will let you know tmrw.

[Mecho]

I have the same opinion but do not know why it sells so much much..

Wow! you've got a Killer ninja there. Which engine oil do u use?

[Mecho]

yep, you are absolutely sure that it is Mobil 1 MX4T? because there is another mobil 1 here which is a car oil and not a moto specific oil and that costs 1000+(1050 to be precise. out here in my place that is.)

I checked the shop today.. I didnt find anything written on it like MX4T..It is MObil 1 3000 X2 ..it's for 4stroke motor Cycles and costs around 800 Rs.. Rating I saw was like 5W40 or 50 W 40 ..Not sure.. so I would recommend a second thought.. But there's elf Motorcycle engine oil too in the shop.. And also petronas sprinta..U better check there personally!! Anyways my personal recmmendation would bne petronas sprinta or valvoline premium!!!!!!! Wish U a good buy!

[Pinaki]

please use the recommended grade by the manufacturer. why 10w30 is recommended because that is what the ideal grade for a low capacity engine like that of a splendor. 20w40 is a heavy oil for your splendor and that is why you see the drop in mileage and that is also why the engine is smoother. no you will not cause any harm to the engine if you use a 20w40 instead of a 10w30. it is just that you'll have less power, less mileage and a more smooth running engine.

hmmm , Fatality'jee , that is very logical . Then can you explain why HeroHonda recommends the same 10w30 oil in higher capacity engines like the 150cc CBZ HUNK and 225cc Karizma and even the oil-cooled ZMR ?
Or why they were recommending 20w40 servo for splendor just the day before they started to market their own 10w30 ?

[FATAL1TY - X]

I checked the shop today.. I didnt find anything written on it like MX4T..It is MObil 1 3000 2r ..it's for 4stroke motor Cycles and costs around 800 Rs.. Rating I saw was like 5W40 or 50 W 40 ..Not sure.. so I would recommend a second thought.. But there's elf Motorcycle engine oil too in the shop.. And also petronas sprinta..U better check there personally!! Anyways my personal recmmendation would bne petrinsa sprinta or valvoline premium!!!!!!! Wish U a good buy!

never heard of a 300r from mobil 1. i'll check it out. elf's full synth might be the moto4 XT tech. i have no experience with sprinta 5000. but will check it out. thanks.

hmmm , Fatality'jee , that is very logical . Then can you explain why HeroHonda recommends the same 10w30 oil in higher capacity engines like the 150cc CBZ HUNK and 225cc Karizma and even the oil-cooled ZMR ?
Or why they were recommending 20w40 servo for splendor just the day before they started to market their own 10w30 ?

that is called a "marketing strategy". actually most engines in india can run a 20w 40 and even a 20w 50. and why does hh recommended a 10w30? it is all about maximizing their profit by selling their oil to customers(actually if you happen to look behind the bottle of the hh oil it is made by MAK which is a division under bharath petroleum. an agreement between honda and BP). but there are facts behind it too. if the oil is good enough a 10w 30 will increase performance without sacrificing protection. and there is no hero honda with an engine as stressed as... say a pulsar 220 which requires a 20w 50 oil if i'm right. if you happen to use both a 10w30 and 20w40 side by side, you'll find that the 10w30 will offer more free revving performance than a 20w40 or a 20w 50. and that is why hh recommend the 10w30 now.

[Pinaki]

...but there are facts behind it too. if the oil is good enough a 10w 30 will increase performance without sacrificing protection. and there is no hero honda with an engine as stressed as... say a pulsar 220 which requires a 20w 50 oil if i'm right. if you happen to use both a 10w30 and 20w40 side by side, you'll find that the 10w30 will offer more free revving performance than a 20w40 or a 20w 50. and that is why hh recommend the 10w30 now.

That is what I was wondering about Fatality'Jee , what are those facts ? Any published studies or measurements or data to support that 10w30 will indeed increase performance without sacrificing protection ( at Indian ambient temperatures at the major season ) compared to 20w40 ?
How is it established that the pulsar engines are more stressed than HH engines ?
As far I know NO oil company recommend the use of 10w30 oil beyond 30C ambient temperatures for prolonged use . Secondly 10w30 contains lots lots more of viscosity modifiers than the simpler 20w40 . Viscosity modifiers are coiled spring like molecules and have NO lubricating properties . Less of them u need in your multigrade oil , the better for the bike . 20w40 contains the least of these viscosity modifiers of all the oils in market here , next to straight mono-grade oils .
Yes I sure understand the marketing part , but good for their marketing and good for our engine are two unrelated things , isn't it ? I don't want my engine oil to worry about HeroHonda and just pay attention to keeping my engine cool clean and well lubed at all times . :-)

[Mecho]

never heard of a 300r from mobil 1. i'll check it out. elf's full synth might be the moto4 XT tech. i have no experience with sprinta 5000. but will check it out. thanks.



that is called a "marketing strategy". actually most engines in india can run a 20w 40 and even a 20w 50. and why does hh recommended a 10w30? it is all about maximizing their profit by selling their oil to customers(actually if you happen to look behind the bottle of the hh oil it is made by MAK which is a division under bharath petroleum. an agreement between honda and BP). but there are facts behind it too. if the oil is good enough a 10w 30 will increase performance without sacrificing protection. and there is no hero honda with an engine as stressed as... say a pulsar 220 which requires a 20w 50 oil if i'm right. if you happen to use both a 10w30 and 20w40 side by side, you'll find that the 10w30 will offer more free revving performance than a 20w40 or a 20w 50. and that is why hh recommend the 10w30 now.

Yep! A less viscous oil would give engine a free and easy run but at the cost of wear and tear!! thats for sure for a certain extend...and we need to choose the optimum one..and that's the challenge we are facing.
IMHO for a person like me , who changes his engine oil everu 1800 - 2000 kms, I would recommend Valvoline as it would loose its thermal property at around 1500 kms only, and 2000 would be a safer duration for the lube change. Only need to choose costly ones like Shell, mobil etc if you plan for a longer duration btwn lube changes!!

[Mecho]

As far I know NO oil company recommend the use of 10w30 oil beyond 30C ambient temperatures for prolonged use .

Anyone please explain to me what is it to do with ambient temperatures like 30*C and 40 *C??? What does it have to do with an engine which runs at over 70 - 80 *c?? ..Also when temp increases viscosity decreases..The lesser the change the better is the lube!!! That's how I choose my lube!

[anmol_1990]

i serviced my karizma r today and the engine oil was changed [stock oil]

as after every service engine feels smoother and gears slots are also smooth.

somebody pls enlighten me on this that how a fresh oil can make gears to slot perfectly? i know this is a dumb question but still wish to know.

[Pinaki]

i serviced my karizma r today and the engine oil was changed [stock oil]

as after every service engine feels smoother and gears slots are also smooth.

somebody pls enlighten me on this that how a fresh oil can make gears to slot perfectly? i know this is a dumb question but still wish to know.

The primary function of oil in an engine is to provide lubrication , that is prevent metal to metal contact friction as much as possible . It also performs the secondary functions of keeping the engine cool by drawing out the combustion heat and losing it to the atmospheric air around it , as well as to clean out the carbon acid etc by containing it within itself as a suspension , to be flushed out later when changed .
Engine oil will so degrade with use through shearing forces within the engine , heat and carbon and acids absorbed , oxidation etc . As it gets used up it becomes thin and dirty and cannot prevent metal to metal contact inside your gearbox as good as when it's new . So you feel the slick gears with your new oil . Now the problem I experienced with HH (bpcl) 10w30 oil ( the same one that they put in your karizma at service ) is that it loses this slickness and coolness after the first 1000Kms of use in summer , which I found unacceptable for an oil specified by the company to run good for 6000Kms .
I ride my bike for repeated short hops of a few kms , park and jump off , do some work then ride off again for another few kms ,and again , through crawling city traffic mostly in 2nd gear , with lots of clutch and gear and brake use .This is considered severe service for an engine and it's oil .

[Pinaki]

Anyone please explain to me what is it to do with ambient temperatures like 30*C and 40 *C??? What does it have to do with an engine which runs at over 70 - 80 *c?? ..Also when temp increases viscosity decreases..The lesser the change the better is the lube!!! That's how I choose my lube!

Motor Oil Viscosity Grades Explained in Layman's Terms

[FATAL1TY - X]

That is what I was wondering about Fatality'Jee , what are those facts ? Any published studies or measurements or data to support that 10w30 will indeed increase performance without sacrificing protection ( at Indian ambient temperatures at the major season ) compared to 20w40 ?
How is it established that the pulsar engines are more stressed than HH engines ?
As far I know NO oil company recommend the use of 10w30 oil beyond 30C ambient temperatures for prolonged use . Secondly 10w30 contains lots lots more of viscosity modifiers than the simpler 20w40 . Viscosity modifiers are coiled spring like molecules and have NO lubricating properties . Less of them u need in your multigrade oil , the better for the bike . 20w40 contains the least of these viscosity modifiers of all the oils in market here , next to straight mono-grade oils .
Yes I sure understand the marketing part , but good for their marketing and good for our engine are two unrelated things , isn't it ? I don't want my engine oil to worry about HeroHonda and just pay attention to keeping my engine cool clean and well lubed at all times . :-)

you didnt read the part which i wrote "if the oil is good enough". that means if the 10w30 oil is good enough it can endure the stress of any engine which requires a 20w40 oil. there is no need for much studies to understand that a full synthetic oil like motul 300v fl 5w30 will outperform a normal mineral 20w40 oil both in term of protection and performance. if you are talking about 2 mineral oils then what you said is completely true except a few things which is mentioned below.

as you might know, the wear is maximum while at start up. here a 10w30 oil will offer more protection than a similar quality 20w40 by flowing faster to the parts than a 20w40. so by using a heavier oil than recommended you are actually increasing wear. there is also no such thing as a "FULL" Synthetic(it is also a marketing term). every oil contains some part of mineral oil in it(either as a carrier oil or as a part of the blend). so basically all depends on the additive chemistry rather than the type of oil used. so the correction is, a mineral oil with a better additive chemistry will hold up better than a mineral oil with a low spec additive chemistry even though the grades are similar. you have to start thinking beyond the old viscosity modifiers these days. todays additive chemistry(even though i dont know the specifics of those) with or without viscosity modifiers has changed dramatically. the new GTL(gas to liquid) technology is capable of producing group III oils which surpasses the quality of the Group 4 PAO based oils which where available 2-3 years ago.

every pulsar engine is more stressed than any hh motorcycles. new pulsars produces power output like 15+ps, 17ps and 21ps for 150, 180 and 220 respectively. that is in comparison to the 14ps and 17.2/17.8 ps for the hunk/cbz and karizma. look at the difference there. both the 220 and karizma is identical in capacity but the power difference is massive for such a small capacity engine. close to 4 ps increase in power. that alone proves that the 220 is more stressed than the lazy karizma(that is also why the karizma lasts longer than 220). that is also the case of p150 and hunk/cbz.

and about the published study materials and data, try searching the machinerylubrication(dot)com for some really interesting reads if you are interested. also if you want the real story behind the synthetics, search for their msds(material safety data sheet) if you can find them and know how to read them. i have them off course except for castrol and some other oils which i havent used.

[vkuchhal]

Wow! you've got a Killer ninja there. What is the blood for that beast? I mean Engine oil

presently running on castrol 20W50 and now will change to motul 15 W50..