Engine Oils

[Honda_CBF]

^^because 10w30 is lighter than 20w40's. Due to it engine rev up easily and gives little more milage.
I also think they'll earn more by selling engine kits.
Btw, maruti A.S.S also recommends castrol magnatec 10w30 but MUL asks to follow temperature chart.

[Rtrlover83]

Hey guys this might sound silly, but how to open the Motul Oil bottle the proper way I bought the 5100 ester 10W40 for topping up purpose, but had a tough time opening it

[itssaurabh.negi]

Need Help

Hi guys.. i am currently using 20w40 castrol1..using 10w30 was good but engine temperature used to get very high withing minutes of driving.also engine sound was not as i expected.so i switch over to 20w40.i am happy with its performence but its not so good in morning time,it needs 2-3 minutes of warmup time and throttle twists as well.(dont want to adjust idle RPM each and every day :/ ).. i just wanna ask is there any 10W40 option available in Castrol/Motul/HP ?? so that it works fine in cold as well as high temp ??


Regards
Saurabh

[Pinaki]

Hi guys.. i am currently using 20w40 castrol1..using 10w30 was good but engine temperature used to get very high withing minutes of driving.also engine sound was not as i expected.so i switch over to 20w40.i am happy with its performence but its not so good in morning time,it needs 2-3 minutes of warmup time and throttle twists as well.(dont want to adjust idle RPM each and every day :/ ).. i just wanna ask is there any 10W40 option available in Castrol/Motul/HP ?? so that it works fine in cold as well as high temp ??

Saurabh , 10w40 oil is available .. but in semi-synthetic & synthetic variety only ... means much more cost . Moreover I am afraid the same problems you had earlier with 10w30 , will come back to haunt you with 10w40 semi-synthetic in summer . If you go this route .. buy fully synthetic diester based oil .
From your location , I see your ambient temps seldom fall below zero . It's already getting cooler there now ?
Your bike's carburetor was earlier tuned with 10w30 oil in it . With the 20w40 oil in it now .. it just needs a retune to adjust it to the new oil's characteristics . Get it done from the manufacturer's service center who has an hand-held RPM-meter , both the idle & AFR screws will be tuned with the engine warmed up . It may take a few attempts to get it right for ever . Also I would say , try motul / gulf / elf / shell 20w40 next time ... anything other than castrol . At morning cold-start , definitely use the choke .
Or you could try a two pronged approach ... 20w40 in summer when ambient temps are between 10C - 40C and 10w30 in winter when temps fall below 10C . Retune the carb a bit every time you switch oil grade . This is what I would do ..

Hey guys this might sound silly, but how to open the Motul Oil bottle the proper way I bought the 5100 ester 10W40 for topping up purpose, but had a tough time opening it

Get a good pocket knife ..

[Rtrlover83]

Get a good pocket knife ..

Yeah, right bro, thanks!

[guywithUnicorn]

Guys i have done 1.8K on elf moto4Gold+ and i am up for oil change
as you suggested i am thinking about Veedol super swift it is semi synthetic and i doesn't comes with 20W40 rating as recommended for Unicorn
so is it ok to use different rating oil?
if i go with SS it will damage engine in long run?

[Honda_CBF]

Guys i have done 1.8K on elf moto4Gold+ and i am up for oil change
as you suggested i am thinking about Veedol super swift it is semi synthetic and i doesn't comes with 20W40 rating as recommended for Unicorn
so is it ok to use different rating oil?
if i go with SS it will damage engine in long run?

veedol super swift is 10w40, right?
It wont do any bad bro just change it at right time.. A little early oil change will always show a good result.

[Pinaki]

Guys i have done 1.8K on elf moto4Gold+ and i am up for oil change
as you suggested i am thinking about Veedol super swift it is semi synthetic and i doesn't comes with 20W40 rating as recommended for Unicorn
so is it ok to use different rating oil?
if i go with SS it will damage engine in long run?

No , don't go to thinner base oil from thicker ... unless it's snowing in there . The engine may not be able to cope with the degradation in lubrication .If you badly want to go synth , look for synthetic 15w50 or 15w40 grade JASO MA/MA2 oils . Honda service center may already have synthetic oil , check with them . Not much advantage with the semi-synthetic with your bike ... go full synthetic , if you so wish .
So , how was the elf moto4 gold 20w40 on your unicorn ?

[guywithUnicorn]

veedol super swift is 10w40, right?
It wont do any bad bro just change it at right time.. A little early oil change will always show a good result.

No , don't go to thinner base oil from thicker ... unless it's snowing in there . The engine may not be able to cope with the degradation in lubrication .If you badly want to go synth , look for synthetic 15w50 or 15w40 grade JASO MA/MA2 oils . Honda service center may already have synthetic oil , check with them . Not much advantage with the semi-synthetic with your bike ... go full synthetic , if you so wish .
So , how was the elf moto4 gold 20w40 on your unicorn ?

Confused

Reason for SS is to get some more kms on same oil
Running short on cash so thinking about mineral only
again going for moto4gold maybe, if you have suggestions please pour them in

I have not used many oils just this and honda all i can say is elf moto4gold is better than honda gear shifts are still smooth, no significant drop in oil level but engine is kinda rough and heating up
oil seems to be in good condition as per my knowledge after 1.2k kms honda oil used to become like water (less thicker) elf feels fresh to hand's

[Honda_CBF]

Confused

Reason for SS is to get some more kms on same oil
Running short on cash so thinking about mineral only
again going for moto4gold maybe, if you have suggestions please pour them in

I have not used many oils just this and honda all i can say is elf moto4gold is better than honda gear shifts are still smooth, no significant drop in oil level but engine is kinda rough and heating up
oil seems to be in good condition as per my knowledge after 1.2k kms honda oil used to become like water (less thicker) elf feels fresh to hand's

more kms out of ss than mineral is a wrong concept bro.. It may last for some 50-100km extra but will cost more by atleast 100 rupees than mineral. So stick to mineral oils.
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@pinaki,
base oil is thinner, but heat rating (xxW40) is same na?? So, there should be no problem..
That's just my understanding.. Plz clarify

[srinath34]

Hey Guys,

I have been using Gulf Pride 4T Plus 20w40 in my Activa for close to 2 years now. I wanted to procure oil for my next service, and to my shock, found that Pride 4T Plus is no more manufactured. Tried various shops in JC Road and Shivajinagar but got a firm NO.

Any of you Bangaloreans got it recently? I guess I may need to shift to Motul 3000T for my next change. Any other suggestions in 20w40 mineral/semi-synth is welcome.

[hunkofgals]

@srinath34

the best suited for activa is
the honda company oil itself
its best suited
and the engine is very smooth compared to other oils
dont go for castrol
it makes the engine feel very rough
try gulf too its nice

[Krish1417]

Bought Motul 20w40 for my RTR 180,mrp was Rs235/- and he gave me for 200 bucks,and there was some coupon redemption on back of the label,got the redemption coupon.Finally paid Rs190

[Pinaki]

Confused

@pinaki,
base oil is thinner, but heat rating (xxW40) is same na?? So, there should be no problem.. That's just my understanding.. Plz clarify

Sorry for late replies ... am up to my neck in work .
An oil's film strength & flow character ensures that the oil doesn't flow away leaving a metal surface bare insides (i.e it sticks to the metal) . The 10 weight base oil (in 10w40) would normally flow away and break the protection film at these high temperatures . The VII additives they put in it ensures that it doesn't . So yes a xxW40 will maintain similar film-strength and flow characteristics as of a 40 weight oil at notional operational temperature of 100C . So that's alrighty about film-strength and the oil sticking to the correct surfaces during use .
But what of lubrication ? The property of the oil molecules to cushion and eliminate friction between surfaces ... that is not corrected by the VII additives at all . The lubrication quality provided by the thin 10 base oil .. be it 10w20 , 10w30 or 10w40 etc .... is less than half as good as a 20 weight oil ... at any temperature .
Secondly a 10w40 is a wide-range oil , the ratio of cold rating to hot being 1:4 ... so to reach that high-range (ratio) they have to put much more VII additives in it .. more than 20% of the oil is additives, by volume ... so there is much less real oil in there . Oil lubes & cools the engine , VII's don't . VII degrades fast insides an engine , specially if the oil flows through the gearbox too .. like in our bikes .. from the mechanical shear(chewing) produced by the gears . In 20w40 that ratio is just 1:2 ... much much less VII needed ... more real oil .... longer lasting stable better lubrication . It is seen that within 1000 km of use in motorcycles the 10w40 oil has already degraded to near a 10w20 oil because of lost VII's .
Thirdly an oils cooling characteristics depend mainly on it's density & flow . 10w40 oil will have cooling characteristic of a 10 base oil only at any temp . 20 weight oil , being denser will cool much better too . Beyond adequate flow .. not much more cooling from thinner oil just because of more flow .
Full synthetics don't have all these problems , however . Semi synthetics are neither here nor there .. depending on how much of what they blended in it .
There are other things like tolerances , engine age etc .. but I think you guys are already bored by reading this .. so I'll rest .

Hey Guys,
I have been using Gulf Pride 4T Plus 20w40 in my Activa for close to 2 years now. I wanted to procure oil for my next service, and to my shock, found that Pride 4T Plus is no more manufactured. Tried various shops in JC Road and Shivajinagar but got a firm NO.
Any of you Bangaloreans got it recently? I guess I may need to shift to Motul 3000T for my next change. Any other suggestions in 20w40 mineral/semi-synth is welcome.

Too bad if that is final ... the gulf was a great oil . Shift to the motul 3000 4t plus 20w40 if you have to .. it's as good . I'm using it now .

Bought Motul 20w40 for my RTR 180,mrp was Rs235/- and he gave me for 200 bucks,and there was some coupon redemption on back of the label,got the redemption coupon.Finally paid Rs190

Yups .. I got that discount-behind-the-label too .. nice . But I paid 200 total .

[guywithUnicorn]

@Honda_CBF Thank you for suggestions
@Pinaki Thank you so much for sharing very important information

As you guys suggested i decided to stick to Mineral went to shop and what elf was not available only Motul
shop is so wired last time you suggested motul he didnt had it and now when i wanted elf he had Motul
I hope this oil is good for engine costed me 250 bucks after discount He didn't charged anything for changing oil