Helmets

[Jaydeep Vayeda]

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Hello everyone, Can you help me,
I am looking forward to buy a new helmet which should have inbuilt Bluetooth with mic which can support calls, music, GPS sounds etc. The wind noise should also be controlled. Can you please help me, Thanks in advance.
PS - I ride a Bajaj Pulsar RS 200.
Thankyou.

I've been using Sena 10c. Works well and meets all the needs you mentioned. I got one for 23K. If you want all inbuilt in helmet look for Momentum INC pro from Sena. I asked a dealer couple of weeks a go and he quoted 34k for Momentum INC pro.

[Ijs]

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Hello everyone, Can you help me,
I am looking forward to buy a new helmet which should have inbuilt Bluetooth with mic which can support calls, music, GPS sounds etc. The wind noise should also be controlled. Can you please help me, Thanks in advance.
PS - I ride a Bajaj Pulsar RS 200.
Thankyou.

Smk has launched new helmet with built-in Bluetooth for around 8 to 8.5k, can't comment on wind noise as haven't tried it yet.

[abhijithpreddy]

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Anyone saw this ? So we cant buy any foreign helmets then?

[Sird]

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Anyone saw this ? So we cant buy any foreign helmets then?

Well this is going to be dramatic.

[Jaydeep Vayeda]

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LOL. No offence but second one (Election Gimmick?) definitely is the worst joke. I think if 50 people report constipation together politicians will make even that as election issue.

[anoopkumar0]

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While article says , BIS approved selling DOT and ECE so how can police fine it.

Someone should explain police people are not wearing DOT ECE just for fancy things or luxury. It's for head safety.

[The Mountain]

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Per the article at this link:

https://www.rushlane.com/ece-dot-snell-helmet-india-ban-12129708.html

The Bangalore police are reviewing the situation, and seeking input from the BTP. They have been made aware of the conflict between their ISI-only position and the BIS admission that ECE is acceptable.

There are screenshots of a number of tweets at the link, including one that includes images of the BIS standards document. I really hope this is the start of proper regulatory reform that allows reciprocity for international safety standards such as ECE, DoT, and maybe even the Japanese and Australian/New Zealand standards.

I fully support the Made In India initiative; it's important to support indigenous industry. However, that comes with the caveat that there has to be legitimate competition for that industry, or it has no incentive to excel (perfect example: the Indian firearms industry). Just like the Indian motorcycle manufacturers are having to step up their game to remain competitive against the influx of bikes from foreign makes, the Indian helmet industry can only benefit from having to compete against the (already well-developed) products from Korea, Japan, and Europe. Given the conditions of the marketplace, I don't see that the domestic helmet companies will ever produce helmets intended to compete against the Shoei RF1200 or Arai Corsair, but I see no reason they can't compete with the likes of HJC, Icon etc. which build less-exotic but still excellent helmets at affordable price points.

Here in the US, since we'll buy just about anything from anywhere (remember the Yugo?), our industries have been forced to compete against the best the world has to offer. We've certainly had our share of failures as a result, but our companies have learned. Harley Davidson nearly disappeared in the early 1980s, and while they did get some help temporarily, they are now one of the most dominant motorcycle makes on the planet. America pretty much invented the car and its attendant culture, and in the early 20th century built cars that were the world standard. By the 70s they had gotten complacent, and their products were largely awful. But they learned, and by the 90s they were on their way back up, and now are competitive in the world again. Bell helmets is the big US helmet brand, and again, they struggled as a low-tier maker for a long time while companies like Arai and Shoei dominated, but Bell learned and improved, and is now right up there with the big boys. India should embrace the challenge the same way. While it will result in some companies dying, those that survive will be stronger, and their products better, and the real winner will be the consumers.

[Sharma Ji]

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I've been using Sena 10c. Works well and meets all the needs you mentioned. I got one for 23K. If you want all inbuilt in helmet look for Momentum INC pro from Sena. I asked a dealer couple of weeks a go and he quoted 34k for Momentum INC pro.

Isn't there any cheaper one, as I'm on a budget.

[Somesh1902]

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Isn't there any cheaper one, as I'm on a budget.

There are smk ones that come with bluetooth preinstalled under 9k.

[Jaydeep Vayeda]

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Isn't there any cheaper one, as I'm on a budget.

I did see a similar one on Ali Express for 3 - 4k but I wont trust China quality.

[Jaydeep Vayeda]

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Per the article at this link:

https://www.rushlane.com/ece-dot-snell-helmet-india-ban-12129708.html

The Bangalore police are reviewing the situation, and seeking input from the BTP. They have been made aware of the conflict between their ISI-only position and the BIS admission that ECE is acceptable.

There are screenshots of a number of tweets at the link, including one that includes images of the BIS standards document. I really hope this is the start of proper regulatory reform that allows reciprocity for international safety standards such as ECE, DoT, and maybe even the Japanese and Australian/New Zealand standards.

I fully support the Made In India initiative; it's important to support indigenous industry. However, that comes with the caveat that there has to be legitimate competition for that industry, or it has no incentive to excel (perfect example: the Indian firearms industry). Just like the Indian motorcycle manufacturers are having to step up their game to remain competitive against the influx of bikes from foreign makes, the Indian helmet industry can only benefit from having to compete against the (already well-developed) products from Korea, Japan, and Europe. Given the conditions of the marketplace, I don't see that the domestic helmet companies will ever produce helmets intended to compete against the Shoei RF1200 or Arai Corsair, but I see no reason they can't compete with the likes of HJC, Icon etc. which build less-exotic but still excellent helmets at affordable price points.

Here in the US, since we'll buy just about anything from anywhere (remember the Yugo?), our industries have been forced to compete against the best the world has to offer. We've certainly had our share of failures as a result, but our companies have learned. Harley Davidson nearly disappeared in the early 1980s, and while they did get some help temporarily, they are now one of the most dominant motorcycle makes on the planet. America pretty much invented the car and its attendant culture, and in the early 20th century built cars that were the world standard. By the 70s they had gotten complacent, and their products were largely awful. But they learned, and by the 90s they were on their way back up, and now are competitive in the world again. Bell helmets is the big US helmet brand, and again, they struggled as a low-tier maker for a long time while companies like Arai and Shoei dominated, but Bell learned and improved, and is now right up there with the big boys. India should embrace the challenge the same way. While it will result in some companies dying, those that survive will be stronger, and their products better, and the real winner will be the consumers.

I might sound funny, insane or any other illogical word you can locate in the dictionary. But I am wondering if it is a sheer coincidence that refusal to accept international standards by Bangalore police comes on the same day when PM is delivering sppech and talking about ease of doing business in India.

Please forgive me for bringing this up. I am not into politics at all. I am a market researcher and analyzing data and looking for stories in data is my passion.

Think about it. No country can have two different standards. If tomorrow department of transportation refuses to accept international standards India becomes a laughing stock. If they accept the international standards then they will have to revise BIS Guidelines. This will give helmet manufacturers an opportunity to increase cost and politicians will blame the government of increasing the cost of safety as BIS is a central body.

Please note that this is purely my personal thought. Though I stay in Ahmedabad, where 50% people dont even wear helmets, I am closely connected to Bangalore as I stepped into riding when I was there. I still wear an ECE Certified Zeus and I am in favor of international standards being accepted. Especially ECE 22.05. Thanks to culture in Bangalore everytime I get on my bike I feel I've forgotten my head if I don't wear a helmet no matter even if I have to go just 1km away.

I near escaped death today at 6PM when a truck which was overtaking another truck from extreme left lane knocked my bike. And I am talking about edge of a 4 lane road from Ahmedabad to Rajkot. This happened 60km before Ahmedabad. Fortunately I had got down to stretch my body and I had parked on the extreme edge of the road, on mud patch at the edge of road which is nearly 5 - 7 feet away from white painted line on the left. Truck threw a 150kg bike 4 feet away. Was busy getting help so only have this one pic which I took when I heard the sound. Have a look at right you'll see the front wheel.





Below is the exact location of where bike was it is taken from EXIF Data fo first pic. If you notice I was way off the highway.



It's hypothetical but I wonder which helmet ISI/ECE/DOT would have saved me if I was on the bike.

Please accept my apologies for mixed thoughts. Feel free to comment.

[The Mountain]

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Think about it. No country can have two different standards. If tomorrow department of transportation refuses to accept international standards India becomes a laughing stock. If they accept the international standards then they will have to revise BIS Guidelines. This will give helmet manufacturers an opportunity to increase cost and politicians will blame the government of increasing the cost of safety as BIS is a central body.

The US accepts several different standards. DOT, ECE, and Snell are all legitimate. The BIS already (apparently) says that ECE helmets are acceptable. I don't know that legalizing DoT and ECE helmets would cause a price increase, since there wouldn't necessarily be a requirement for current ISI helmets to also pass ECE or DoT. There are helmets here in the US that are DOT, but not Snell or ECE (not many, admittedly; adding ECE certification allows the helmets to be sold in Europe as well as the US). ISI-only helmets could stay at the same price, but explicitly allowing DoT and ECE (and Snell) would expand the available products in the market. If anything, prices would come down (marginally) since there would be greater supply.

[Jaydeep Vayeda]

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The US accepts several different standards. DOT, ECE, and Snell are all legitimate. The BIS already (apparently) says that ECE helmets are acceptable. I don't know that legalizing DoT and ECE helmets would cause a price increase, since there wouldn't necessarily be a requirement for current ISI helmets to also pass ECE or DoT. There are helmets here in the US that are DOT, but not Snell or ECE (not many, admittedly; adding ECE certification allows the helmets to be sold in Europe as well as the US). ISI-only helmets could stay at the same price, but explicitly allowing DoT and ECE (and Snell) would expand the available products in the market. If anything, prices would come down (marginally) since there would be greater supply.

I agree with you. I didnt realize that ECE is legally acceptable in US. Was under impression the DOT is only acceptable in US and vice versa. I thoughy that is why a lot of manufacturers opt for dual certification. My bad please accept my lack of understanding.

When I meant price increase I was referring to current ISI guidelines revised to match ECE 22.05 which it is not the case (Not entirely). And as far as I understand ISI is a self declared standard like DOT, however ECE is to be issued by govt. testing lab. I am not sure if Indian manufacturers would want to walk that path. They want quick sales and easy money.

[The Mountain]

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I agree with you. I didnt realize that ECE is legally acceptable in US. Was under impression the DOT is only acceptable in US and vice versa. I thoughy that is why a lot of manufacturers opt for dual certification. My bad please accept my lack of understanding.

When I meant price increase I was referring to current ISI guidelines revised to match ECE 22.05 which it is not the case (Not entirely). And as far as I understand ISI is a self declared standard like DOT, however ECE is to be issued by govt. testing lab. I am not sure if Indian manufacturers would want to walk that path. They want quick sales and easy money.

The ISI standard was derived from the ECE 22.03 standard. Since ECE 22.05 is more stringent, all the BIS needs to state is that 22.05, DOT, and other comparable international standards are deemed acceptable alternatives to ISI and/or that the international standards all exceed the ISI and are therefore equivalent. No revision of ISI should be necessary.

[Jaydeep Vayeda]

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Lets hope they do it fast and neat and not make a mountain out of molehill.