Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[sunilg]

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Can someone recommend me a pair of riding boots that are decently comfortable and daily wear-able?
The BBG Riding boots are over my budget.

This is the first time i am using riding boots, i was using Skechers till now and after my crash, never using sports shoes for riding again!
Here's the shoe after a crash
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TIA!

Check https://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcy...ing-boots.html

Not exactly a proper riding boot, but has metal toe and can be worn daily. Been using them for my day to day use for the past 8-9 years now.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Need a riding jacket
This will be my first riding jacket, should I go for aspida atlas or rynox gt?? I don't mind the thermal liner.. But the jacket should provide me good air while I ride and shouldn't be much heavy to wear!! Budget is 6000 so please do advice. I'm from Bangalore and ride 2017 200NS

Rynox and Solace work well.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Has anyone here picked up the new Rynox Storm EVO L2 Jacket? Wondering if the mesh areas are enough for summer usage and any other pros & cons before going in for it.

A friend is using the same.

Pros - Good knox microlock armours on the arms (shoulder and elbow)
External steel slider.

Cons - A china made back protector for 9000+ ? Not something I am fond of. No matter CE or not, certainly cheap.

Ventilation is good being a mesh jacket. But remember, more the mesh lesser the protection.
I would recommend TBG / Raida in the budget.

[kdevdatta]

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Rynox has a poor rain liner and overall quality. Look for Moto Torque, BBG or Solace in 6k. Cheers !

Need a riding jacket
This will be my first riding jacket, should I go for aspida atlas or rynox gt?? I don't mind the thermal liner.. But the jacket should provide me good air while I ride and shouldn't be much heavy to wear!! Budget is 6000 so please do advice. I'm from Bangalore and ride 2017 200NS

I don't have GT but own the Tornado Pro for more than 3 years and 30k kms. Quality seems good and rain liner has never failed me. I mostly ride in Sahyadris and rode for good distances in heavy rains. Overall Rynox craftsmanship seems good to me for the price.

[rideon74]

Universal : Riding Gear Thread

A friend is using the same.

Pros - Good knox microlock armours on the arms (shoulder and elbow)
External steel slider.

Cons - A china made back protector for 9000+ ? Not something I am fond of. No matter CE or not, certainly cheap.

Ventilation is good being a mesh jacket. But remember, more the mesh lesser the protection.
I would recommend TBG / Raida in the budget.

That’s strange of Rynox to go stingy with the back protector; they could’ve just gone ahead with a higher option for that part too and priced up the difference. Would’ve made it completely worth the investment.

I’ll take a look at TBG/Raida too as you’ve suggested. Thanks much for heads up on that point! [emoji1308]

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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I don't have GT but own the Tornado Pro for more than 3 years and 30k kms. Quality seems good and rain liner has never failed me. I mostly ride in Sahyadris and rode for good distances in heavy rains. Overall Rynox craftsmanship seems good to me for the price.

Tornado pro is a nice jacket ! Although too dated now and doesn't include a back protector.
Talking of dated, the new one certainly has good armours on the arms. Not dated eh !

[Astrix]

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I don't have GT but own the Tornado Pro for more than 3 years and 30k kms. Quality seems good and rain liner has never failed me. I mostly ride in Sahyadris and rode for good distances in heavy rains. Overall Rynox craftsmanship seems good to me for the price.

Same here buddy. Have been using the Tornado Pro for almost 3 years and the rain liner is good.
Have been vouching for this brand and this jacket in particular for a long time. The Knox Micro lock Level 2 (T+ T-) at that price makes it worth the buy.

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Can someone recommend me a pair of riding boots that are decently comfortable and daily wear-able?
The BBG Riding boots are over my budget.

This is the first time i am using riding boots, i was using Skechers till now and after my crash, never using sports shoes for riding again!
Here's the shoe after a crash

TIA!

Check Orazo boots. Good option at the price.

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That’s strange of Rynox to go stingy with the back protector; they could’ve just gone ahead with a higher option for that part too and priced up the difference. Would’ve made it completely worth the investment.

I’ll take a look at TBG/Raida too as you’ve suggested. Thanks much for heads up on that point! [emoji1308]

The Rynox jacket is a good one and with regards to the back protector, I have personally seen it and the product seems to be damn good. About the back protector, it's CE level 2 buddy certified by a European Lab to CE norms so where it is manufactured hardly makes any difference.
I am sure Rynox will not do something stingy with the back protector when then have provided Knox Microlock Level 2 (T+ T-) protectors for shoulder and elbow. They must have certainly done their due diligence.

Beside, d3o is manufactured in China too.

Also when it comes to protection, protectors are just 1 part (though an important one), while the external material (protects against abrasion) in this jacket is authentic Invista (Du Pont) Corudura which has higher abrasion than Nylon 1000D.

It comes with Chest pads and can be upgraded to CE chest protectors. But very frankly the chest pads do obstruct ventilation. I have used one with chest protector and simply ended up removing it. But you always have the option of putting it back or removing it depends on one what you prefer.

The should and elbow protectors are CE Level 2 (T+ T-) certified. T+ being very important in India.

TBG is a good jacket, you should check that one too.
Pro: Sas-tec back protector Level 2 back protector
External Rain Liner

Cons: TPU Slider and not a metal one
Sastec protectors on Shoulder and Elbow (They do not Officially pass the T+and T-test of CE certification)
Use of 1680D Polyester at Impact area (Material is good but nowhere in comparison to Invista Cordura)
No Chest pads and no option to even upgrade to CE chest protector

Raida- No CE back protector and again Sastec at Shoulder and Elbow (They do not Officially pass the T+and T-test of CE certification)

Do check out both Rynox and TBG and then take a call. You can actually compare the points I mentioned above.

Hope this helps.

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Abrasion resistant pants/jeans: I already have a shin/knee guard so I am looking for a pant/jeans that doesnt look like it was made for racing, looks pretty normal and I can wear outside but is also abrasion resistant (like kevlar jeans or something?). My waist is 33 inches. One without a knee pad would be appreciated (removable design works too).

You really have a good budget for the items you are choosing and recommendations made by Parth are good for most of the products.

Denim there are few more options like Zeus (Dark Rider) but certainly not as good as the bikeratti one.
Even Motocult sells denims with protectors pockets. You can buy the protectors of Sastec, Safetech separately too.

However, d3o is not available separately so if you want to have d3o protectors you will have to go with the bikeratti one.

Hope this helps.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Why so much noise about the T+ and T- ? Those are just the extra tests.

About cordura, Cordura also has denier ratings, which have not been declared by Rynox. Also, Cordura is more of a gimmick as per many experts.

Avoid gimmicks.
And yes, gimmick since not because I say this, because every other expert like that cloth tear test done by a lab, or even fortnine's Ryan would tell you the same. Yes it was developed for the war blah blah, but technology has moved a lot since then. Do mail Ryan for any confusions, he is the expert ! I am not interested in a cordura debate now, I will keep agreeing with Ryan.

Last about the T+ and T-, so you mean all the top tier brands like Sastec, D3o, Powertector, RST contour plus, A Star Nucleon, Seesoft by Rev'it are failures ?
Please don't get into the T+ and T- thing again.
That is what chinese or Pakistani made protectors like XY, YZF, Safetech proud themselves on, standard brands use them as an 'add-on'.

As you said, armour is just one part, T+/T- is just one part of that armour, not really necessary. Not even in India. Those brands manufacture products to be sold across the world.

Again, why do you need to bring D3o into the charts saying it's manufactured in China ?
D3o are used by Klim ! The highest level of things in industry and they don't pass both the T ratings either, still Klim did a big research and found them to be best for their own usage, they are certainly not newbies.

Is XY used by Klim ? Stop kidding me. No one has even heard of that crap. And no big brand will even ever consider it.

About chest pads, or protectors, I have NEVER found them obstructing air flow as much as you say. Been using chest protectors more than 25000 kms now.

Again I don't think T-/T+ are a big thing in India.
No need to look at them, they are just extras like the SHARP tests.

TPU slider, metal etc is not even needed. A star uses dynamic TPU slider, not a metal one, makes them inferior eh ? Infact polyethylene polymers are better with due diligence. This is why we do not wear metal helmets. Delrin is certainly better.
Dainese may use some metal sliders but they take care that it gets to CE2 residual forces underneath it, using again, some polyethylene base.
Also, Titanium is pricey ! Rynox promotes them as Ti, I am certainly not crazy to agree on Ti or CF marketing gimmicks now.

Also, about the D3o protectors, they are available separately, almost everywhere.

[Astrix]

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1) Cordura: I agree the world has gone ahead in material technology and there are fabrics like super fabric and many more which are better than Cordura. But no one is using it (except Revit and onwards)
Coming to Cordura, it is not a gimmick its a brand invented by Du Pont (sold to Invista) who are known for innovations in fabric like 3M.
It is proven fact that the abrasion resistance of Cordura is higher than Nylon and definitely polyester (Whatever Denier). Denier is rather a gimmick. Cordura has a proprietary mixture of fabrics to make it a high abrasion resistant material. Check Jackets by Held, they mention in their higher range protectors that they use Cordura, in fact, they have a Huge logo of Cordura on the jacket to inform the customers, it's that important. Certainly not a gimmick. Revit, Held, Scorpion, Rynox are all using this fabric.

2) Slider: TPU sliders are good. Certainly not bad. But if you have Metal sliders at the same price, I would recommend Metal ones. But TPU sliders are also good. Simple.

3) T+ and T-: This is not a gimmick. This is a test nder CE certification which many brands used to skip as their compound did not pass these test and simple claim Level 2 protectors (This is rather a gimmick). Consider the old D3o protectors did not have T+ and T- and now they have realized its importance and thus they have started getting all their Xergo Protectors (D3o's latest range) with T+ and T-. They also explicitly mention it. I am not even going to talk about Sastec (They have no offering with proper T+ certification).

4) Importance of T+ in India: While T- can be ignored T+ is a must in India imo. I have done this experiment where I have kept a Sastec protector in the car under the hot sun in Mumbai and it loses its property of Harding on impact. In fact the protector cracks if bent the other way/ The compound used by Sastec is too out-dated. D3o Xergo and infact the earlier one by D3o also pass T+.
Since you mentioned Revit, Revit has protectors which do pass these text, if you are considering the Seeflex ones otherwise Revit also used Knox. T+ are very important in India. Besides there are brands who provide T+ so why go for brands that do not provide it when we have the option.

SHARP is a completely different story (Its a separate entity and not a part of ECE tests, while T+ and T- are).

5) Gimmick: The noise is rather about "made in China". Even in case it is made in China, the protectors have passed a CE test from a European Lab. Infact and probably the same lab who has tested d3o, sastec, Knox, safetech and other. So wherever it is made until the time it passes the CE test what's the harm.
The gimmick is rather using the word "Chinese Protectors", where you make it sound like there are not CE tested etc.
I mentioned that d3o, safetech are also "made in China" does that take away the goodness of the protector? Tomorrow if a brand starts making protectors in India and gets CE certification from an EU lab, does it take anything away from the goodness of the protector. It is rather a noise and gimmick to pass a judgment on a brand or protector basis where they are manufactured (While d3o is also made in China and Revit Seesoft protectors are made in China too)

So rather go with the CE tests which talk about results than merely going by where they are made.
Currently, typing form an Apple device- "Made in China"

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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1- I said I want no debates on this, contact Ryan at Fortnine himself. And so do you mean Ryan doesn't know his stuff ? Amazing ! You should be handling his job now. Also, I would still consider Cordura a marketing gimmick. Which it is. What about Cordura denier used by Rynox anyways ?

2- I would recommend polyurethane materials and not a metal since metal passes the impact directly to the shoulder, not a good idea at all. Coming to protection again, metal sliders on a mesh jacket are the biggest gimmick.

3- Okay so all the top tier manufacturers using sastec/d3o and the ones using their own Nucleon/Seesoft and also the ones using XRD/Powertactor are a bunch of new brands ?
Okay Dainese and Alpinestars and RST and Klim and Rev'it are all newbies. I am done with T+ and T-. Genius !

4- I can show you D3o latest without a T+, it doesn't. Actually no one cares except Safetech that has nothing else to offer in those armours. Impact protection ? All Forcefield and Sastec game. T+ and T-, hail Safetech. Not to mention retail price of safetech is ₹700 for a back protector. Hail T+ and T-. My D3o costing a bomb doesn't have a T+ and T-, all their research, must be foolish !
Also remember I love Knox ! No second thoughts, but not for the T+ and T- exclusively.
Should go with 'brands' like Safetech and ditch my Klim jacket now ! [emoji12]

5- The noise is not about made in china, it is about the quality. If it were good, atleast one good brand would be using that. Which it isn't. Ask anyone, no one even knows about it, but hey ! Rynox uses it, mmmmm must be good. Nah ! Just kidding, it's crap. Don't rely on XY. It is a china/Pak made low quality armour brand.

Okay so I ignore all the research costs of d3o, all the qualities they have, all the comfort and everything for a Safetech because of an optional T+ and T- test ?
Not my cup of tea, enjoy it yourself.

Comparing a smartphone to an armour now ? I never said MIC is bad, I said I won't suggest people to buy crap that is MIC.

[Astrix]

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1. Fortnine..lol!
So 3M and Du Pont (Companies have known for Innovations) are foolish for their awards in technology developments. Their researchers are not to be considered and neither are the test results for abrasion. Well, you can go ahead with the Polyester (Used in school bags) with no lab tests of abrasion resistance. I will go with Cordura used in Rynox. What denier count they use, ask them I am not Rynox. Duh! Besides you just spoke about Fortnine- He also says Denier is rather a gimmick.

2. Yeah, Dainese uses metal too in fact in a jacket they sell for 71k and the one for 31k they use Plastic one. No even Dainese is doing a gimmick?..Lol. I rest my case!
And the slider (Plastic Compound) used by Dainese and Astar is much different that TPU (used by TBG)

3. Of course you are done with T+ and T-. You have no counter to it. Besides these are lab test and proven facts. Sastec at shoulder and Elbow do not pass these test and are age-old technology which they still continue to use.

4. Safetech is out of consideration, the material they use is not good. D3o invest in making the protector comfortable and well the protectors are comfortable. But in the bargain of making them comfortable, they were not able to pass the T+ test. Knox on the other hand with their new Microlock compound bring comfort as well as safety with T+ and T-. Sastec! Blah! I am not even talking about it. Guys who want to risk it can go ahead. (Though try the 2experiments mentioned above)

5. The latest one by d3o is Xergo and they have certified for T+ and T-. So now even D3o cares for T+ and T- as it is very important in many countries (India being one of them). Xergo was launched by them in the last year just when Knox launched its Microlock. Sastech is not even there ("Officially" not certified for T+ and T-).
Here Check. So stop spreading wrong information, again!


So we have options to go with a brand's protector which officially passes Level 2 with T+ and T-, so why risk it with an age-old Sastec which "officially" does not even pass T+ and T-.

6. . The protector used by Rynox for the back is good. You are just trying this gimmick here by demeaning it back mentioning "Its made in China" why don't you start mentioned made in China but "Certified in Europe". Sounds better. Coming to quality it's viscoelastic material again so first go and check the protector rather than spreading ill about a brand. So if one makes a protector in India and Europen brand does not use it, but it passes all CE tests from an EU Lab, then its bad is it? So stop the MADE IN"wherever" noise and talk about the material of the back protector. Its the same material used by Sastec based on Viscoelasticity.

7. Of course, don't ignore the research by d3o, but their research got them to T+ and T- certification (Unlike Sastec). So now T+ and T- still not important? Why would they care to get T+ and T- in their latest version if it was not important?

And Safetech I am not even talking about them. They are bad! I am talking about Knox Microlok Level 2 (T+ T-) used by Rynox.
Rynox does not use Safetch, they use Knox !

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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1. Fortnine..lol!
So 3M and Du Pont (Companies have known for Innovations) are foolish for their awards in technology developments. Their researchers are not to be considered and neither are the test results for abrasion. Well, you can go ahead with the Polyester (Used in school bags) with no lab tests of abrasion resistance. I will go with Cordura used in Rynox. What denier count they use, ask them I am not Rynox. Duh! Besides you just spoke about Fortnine- He also says Denier is rather a gimmick.

2. Yeah, Dainese uses metal too in fact in a jacket they sell for 71k and the one for 31k they use Plastic one. No even Dainese is doing a gimmick?..Lol. I rest my case!
And the slider (Plastic Compound) used by Dainese and Astar is much different that TPU (used by TBG)

3. Of course you are done with T+ and T-. You have no counter to it. Besides these are lab test and proven facts. Sastec at shoulder and Elbow do not pass these test and are age-old technology which they still continue to use.

4. Safetech is out of consideration, the material they use is not good. D3o invest in making the protector comfortable and well the protectors are comfortable. But in the bargain of making them comfortable, they were not able to pass the T+ test. Knox on the other hand with their new Microlock compound bring comfort as well as safety with T+ and T-. Sastec! Blah! I am not even talking about it. Guys who want to risk it can go ahead. (Though try the 2experiments mentioned above)

5. The latest one by d3o is Xergo and they have certified for T+ and T-. So now even D3o cares for T+ and T- as it is very important in many countries (India being one of them). Xergo was launched by them in the last year just when Knox launched its Microlock. Sastech is not even there ("Officially" not certified for T+ and T-).
Here Check. So stop spreading wrong information, again!
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So we have options to go with a brand's protector which officially passes Level 2 with T+ and T-, so why risk it with an age-old Sastec which "officially" does not even pass T+ and T-.

6. . The protector used by Rynox for the back is good. You are just trying this gimmick here by demeaning it back mentioning "Its made in China" why don't you start mentioned made in China but "Certified in Europe". Sounds better. Coming to quality it's viscoelastic material again so first go and check the protector rather than spreading ill about a brand. So if one makes a protector in India and Europen brand does not use it, but it passes all CE tests from an EU Lab, then its bad is it? So stop the MADE IN"wherever" noise and talk about the material of the back protector. Its the same material used by Sastec based on Viscoelasticity.

7. Of course, don't ignore the research by d3o, but their research got them to T+ and T- certification (Unlike Sastec). So now T+ and T- still not important? Why would they care to get T+ and T- in their latest version if it was not important?

And Safetech I am not even talking about them. They are bad! I am talking about Knox Microlok Level 2 (T+ T-) used by Rynox.
Rynox does not use Safetch, they use Knox !

1- Relax, it's all a marketing gimmick, it will pass. (polyester is also used by Rynox, only the impact area has so called cordura). So much for a mesh jacket that would be eaten by the tarmac in seconds.

2- I already stated the compound is different. Scroll up ! Hint - Delrin. Moto GP race suits use Delrin instead of metal one. Oops !

3- Ah okay. Age old technology still unbeaten in impact testing. Good to go.

4- Knox and comfort ? D3o and Sastec are miles ahead on that part. Okay risk it in a mesh jacket. Nice idea, not my thing again. Also, I never defamed Knox, they are great ! But my choice remains Sastec due to point #3, but I would never mind using Knox, I love them too, but until some good brand brings something better to the table, atleast a back protector by Knox ? Yes ! I would buy that the day it is launched under 8-9k, pretty doable.

Nice experimental evidence there ! Does it bring unicorns ?

5- Okay Xergo is latest and LP1 is old. New information.

6- I never said made in China is bad, don't drag to me to something useless like that. But yes I said, XY is low quality, not a preferred choice, infact not even a choice for someone with half a brain.

7- Again you are on the Rynox page, I never said Knox is bad, I said Sastec is better until Point #4. But I sure said XY is bad, point #6.

Will keep it short and simple for you.

[rideon74]

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I’m getting a sense of Déjà Vu about this discussion...[emoji6]

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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I’m getting a sense of Déjà Vu about this discussion...[emoji6]

A very boring one, honestly. Promoting XY brand of armours that are not even a preferred choice, throwing D3o, Knox, Sastec into the mix to create some confusion. I wish it was all about XY back protector.

[Lakkkshhh]

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Need a riding jacket
This will be my first riding jacket, should I go for aspida atlas or rynox gt?? I don't mind the thermal liner.. But the jacket should provide me good air while I ride and shouldn't be much heavy to wear!! Budget is 6000 so please do advice. I'm from Bangalore and ride 2017 200NS

You can also try venom asphalt. 6000 Rs. Perfect as a first jacket