Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

You can also try venom asphalt. 6000 Rs. Perfect as a first jacket

+1 Venom Asphalt is a nice jacket.

[Lakkkshhh]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Need a riding jacket
This will be my first riding jacket, should I go for aspida atlas or rynox gt?? I don't mind the thermal liner.. But the jacket should provide me good air while I ride and shouldn't be much heavy to wear!! Budget is 6000 so please do advice. I'm from Bangalore and ride 2017 200NS

Try venom asphalt

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

1- Relax, it's all a marketing gimmick, it will pass. (polyester is also used by Rynox, only the impact area has so called cordura). So much for a mesh jacket that would be eaten by the tarmac in seconds.

2- I already stated the compound is different. Scroll up ! Hint - Delrin. Moto GP race suits use Delrin instead of metal one. Oops !

3- Ah okay. Age old technology still unbeaten in impact testing. Good to go.

4- Knox and comfort ? D3o and Sastec are miles ahead on that part. Okay risk it in a mesh jacket. Nice idea, not my thing again. Also, I never defamed Knox, they are great ! But my choice remains Sastec due to point #3, but I would never mind using Knox, I love them too, but until some good brand brings something better to the table, atleast a back protector by Knox ? Yes ! I would buy that the day it is launched under 8-9k, pretty doable.

Nice experimental evidence there ! Does it bring unicorns ?

5- Okay Xergo is latest and LP1 is old. New information.

6- I never said made in China is bad, don't drag to me to something useless like that. But yes I said, XY is low quality, not a preferred choice, infact not even a choice for someone with half a brain.

7- Again you are on the Rynox page, I never said Knox is bad, I said Sastec is better until Point #4. But I sure said XY is bad, point #6.

Will keep it short and simple for you.

1. Cordura invented by Du pont is a fabric with tested lab reports. Now Lab reports are gimmick?

2. So the Ti slider on the Rynox is better than the TPU on TBG (Don’t confuse by comparing TPU on TBG with Dainese. Daniele is way above given the compound they use) or Don’t compare the Metal on RYNOX with Metal on Dainese. Dianise is way above again.

3. Sastec Age old Technology unbeaten ! Hahaha.. Live in the bubble. Age old technology by Sastec and thus does not officially certified T+ and T-

4. Knox Microlock and D3o Xergo are also great. Sastec is blah, nowhere to be compared.

Do the experiment and check. Not unicorns certainly, but the truth about Sastec ! Or rather if I get time I will post it.

5. Lp1 is the lastest one by d3o in Level 1.
Xergo is the lastest one by d3o in Level 2.
Besides both Lp1 and Xergo pass T+ and T-. So please again stop spreading wrong things.

So now even d3o gives T+ and T- so d3o’s research also giving so much important to t+ and t-. Because it is important (T+ especially in India) and that’s the reason is said RYNOX With Knox L2 (T+ T-) is better than Any Jacket with Sastec on elbow and Shoulder.

Besides, I get it at the same price why would I go for Sastec which does not have T+ and T- and not go for Knox or D3o with T+ and T-
Only someone with no brains would go for a Sastec.

6. XY Not a preferred Choice. It’s your personal choice. Besides I really wonder how can you say it’s bad quality. You must be having some concrete fact for it right. (I hope you don’t tell me that the reason it’s bad is because it’s “Made in Wherever”). So lab tests and reports would be more credible.
So just another way to bash RYNOX.
It works well for me as the protectors are CE certified in a European lab (Probably in the same lab where Sastec, Knox, D3o are certified)

7. Knox over Satec for me anyday (Basis Lab reports and my personal experimence too and not basis assumptions or where it is manufactured- As the place of manufacturing is no barometer of its quality but tests and lab reports are)

I request you to please be logical in further comments if you choose to. By logical I mean
1. Stop calling Lab reports as gimmicks. Lab tests and reports are scientific tests.
2. Stop gauging a Protector by where it is manufactured. Gauge them by Lab reports.

[hamadryad]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

This is a pattern now.
Everytime a guy comes in here, asks for some help on picking up a jacket, the conversation ends up looking like this.
Understand something, you guys are not being helpful here.
We get it, you have intrinsic knowledge of armours, GOOD FOR YOU!
Help the guy decide on a jacket, stop making it about yourselves.

[hamadryad]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I'm talking about Midnight evil Parth if that's not clear yet.
Dude, you have to let it go, you don't like Rynox, we get it.

Just help the poor guy pick a jacket and be done with it.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

1- Pass. Ask Ryan.

2- Pass. I am not talking Rynox or Dainese here. No comparison.

3- Remember Xergo failed terribly in the impact tests last time ? T+ and T- yay ! (as you said Lab Tests)
I do not mean to imply it will fail again, but I won't crash test wearing it. Knox wasn't even considered, so no idea about Knox. It's good in my books.

As I said, there is a lot of room for improvement. I will wait until some better brand brings Knox all over rather than skimping on a back protector.

Concrete facts ? I don't even get the website to XY armours [emoji23] They are that special ! Lab tests for this ? They don't even consider Knox. XY is a rare breed.

Last thing, I am well beyond boring level bored by this sastec vs knox. Please make constructive comments instead of spamming the post here. Goes same for both of us. Let's relax and help the community.

I'm talking about Midnight evil Parth if that's not clear yet.
Dude, you have to let it go, you don't like Rynox, we get it.

Just help the poor guy pick a jacket and be done with it.

I helped him with pros and cons. Simple ! It wasn't me that started a long boring age old post.

[Abhilash831989]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

After a lot of reading, i purchased Rynox Air GT V2, Pros and cons as per my judgment are as below:


Pros:
- CE Certified level 2 armors on shoulder and elbows. (However mfg by XY-chinese)
- the Jacket is sturdy and well built.
- The velcro is of good quality and neck area is soft (to prevent irritation).
- Mesh will ensure you remain cool.
- biggest pro is that rynox is available with almost every shop in Pune (i wanted to compare it with TBG and Solace, however both brands does not have presence in Pune)

Cons:
- Extra padding could have been provided at impact area.
- Back protector is not CE rated and is not up gradable.
- Rain liner should be outside (as removing and fixing liners is a hectic process)
- Zippers should have been from YKK.
- there is no provision to include chest protector.

overall a good jacket at this price point

(PS: always try a jacket before buying as i have to buy a size larger because of the liners)

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

1- Pass. Ask Ryan.

2- Pass. I am not talking Rynox or Dainese here. No comparison.

3- Remember Xergo failed terribly in the impact tests last time ? T+ and T- yay ! (as you said Lab Tests)
I do not mean to imply it will fail again, but I won't crash test wearing it. Knox wasn't even considered, so no idea about Knox. It's good in my books.

As I said, there is a lot of room for improvement. I will wait until some better brand brings Knox all over rather than skimping on a back protector.

Concrete facts ? I don't even get the website to XY armours [emoji23] They are that special ! Lab tests for this ? They don't even consider Knox. XY is a rare breed.

Last thing, I am well beyond boring level bored by this sastec vs knox. Please make constructive comments instead of spamming the post here. Goes same for both of us. Let's relax and help the community.




I helped him with pros and cons. Simple ! It wasn't me that started a long boring age old post.

1. I am not asking anyone..hahaha. You certainly can If Cordura has higher abrasion than Polyester.
I will go by the lab reports and the fact the Du Pont Invented it.
Besides, it talks about your knowledge of material when you are still debating over Cordura and polyester (not even Nylon)

2. Pass. If you are trying to compare plastic slider of TBG (Shoulder) to Dainese slider!
But Metal on Rynox better than Plastic slider on TBG any given day.

3. The topic of d3o was started by you not to talk about how they do not give importance to T+ and T-. Now, will you please stay glued to the topic.
You said how your so expensive d3o Lp1 is not t+ and T-. Which I just showed you that Lp1 is T+ and T- certified. This proves that all the bigger brands also are looking at T+ and T-. Which talks about the importance of T+ and T- with the new technology coming in.
While your age-old Sastec material does not officially certify the T+ and T-. So it's just Blah! When you have much better options like Knox and D3o.

4. Here is the website of XY Protector-http://www.xyprotector.com/ and besides the best part is that they have uploaded the Certificate of their protectors on their website by the European Lab- Satra (I believe the same lab that approves Sastec).
So now please be logical and let me know what is wrong with the protector.
Please keep it to XY now and give a reason rather than bashing Rynox for using it (when you do not even know how good they are)


5. Knox vs Sastec! I talk lab tests and reports. Sastec is not officially certified CE T+ and T- which is damn important in Indian condition.

[Pancham Hegishte]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I'm talking about Midnight evil Parth if that's not clear yet.
Dude, you have to let it go, you don't like Rynox, we get it.

Just help the poor guy pick a jacket and be done with it.

This is exactly what had happened with me too. Raise a point on Rynox and Parth simply went on with bashing the brand rather than recommending out of experience.

I simply concluded that he does not like the brand and thus tries to influence people aways from it.

Basically go in the older posts when Rynox was not using XY, he was bashing them on something else.
Now he has a new point that XY is Chinese so it bad (illogical) and then again Bashing.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I would again, keep it short. T+ T- is the new thing needed to revive an age old marketing thingy. Yet to see anything drastical changing because of this. Nothing on international forums either.
Plastic slider over metal any given day, I won't wear a metal helmet, likewise.
They have uploaded certifications but still, why would I pick them over anything that is better, like Knox (in your book) ?
That is just like picking safetech for T+ and T-. Nothing more, nothing less.
How good are they ? [emoji23]
5- Lab tests, this is why Sastec, impact testing ranks them amongst the best ! And the magazines like Motorrad did the testing in a big worthy lab.
Remember D3o passed CE2 in the 'labs' but failed when it came to independent lab testing. I trust Motorrad a lot. I guess everyone does. Simple.

Bring a whole team of people to back it up, doesn't matter.

Also, relax, it may seem so, but I am no Rynox hater. Just that I won't buy it for myself. Ask Abhilash above, he bought an AirGT, is a friend of mine, in case you do not believe me.
You need to get some fresh air. I do not recommend it doesn't mean I hate it. I have also recommended TPro L2 to quite a few guys on my Whatsapp. Want me to make them post here or talk to them ? I am one personal message away. Just relax, no need to team up now. Good boys !

[SultanUM]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Hey Guys!

I had a query for those who wear knee guards to daily office commutes:
Q: Where/How do you store them after parking your bikes?

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

After a lot of reading, i purchased Rynox Air GT V2, Pros and cons as per my judgment are as below:


Pros:
- CE Certified level 2 armors on shoulder and elbows. (However mfg by XY-chinese)
- the Jacket is sturdy and well built.
- The velcro is of good quality and neck area is soft (to prevent irritation).
- Mesh will ensure you remain cool.
- biggest pro is that rynox is available with almost every shop in Pune (i wanted to compare it with TBG and Solace, however both brands does not have presence in Pune)

Cons:
- Extra padding could have been provided at impact area.
- Back protector is not CE rated and is not up gradable.
- Rain liner should be outside (as removing and fixing liners is a hectic process)
- Zippers should have been from YKK.
- there is no provision to include chest protector.

overall a good jacket at this price point

(PS: always try a jacket before buying as i have to buy a size larger because of the liners)

Cheers on your purchase Abhilash. Hope I helped.

[Astrix]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

I would again, keep it short. T+ T- is the new thing needed to revive an age old marketing thingy. Yet to see anything drastical changing because of this. Nothing on international forums either.
Plastic slider over metal any given day, I won't wear a metal helmet, likewise.
They have uploaded certifications but still, why would I pick them over anything that is better, like Knox (in your book) ?
That is just like picking safetech for T+ and T-. Nothing more, nothing less.
How good are they ? [emoji23]
5- Lab tests, this is why Sastec, impact testing ranks them amongst the best ! And the magazines like Motorrad did the testing in a big worthy lab.
Remember D3o passed CE2 in the 'labs' but failed when it came to independent lab testing. I trust Motorrad a lot. I guess everyone does. Simple.

First you learn to stick to a point.Last post you said XY does not have a website and so its bad. Now I gave you the website and also Lab reports (By an European Lab) for XY. So please provide a concrete reason. Please be logical.
If it was bad it would not have had passed CE test. But I am not saying it as good as Knox or D3o. But there is nothign to worry if someone wants to buy it.

[hamadryad]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

This is exactly what had happened with me too. Raise a point on Rynox and Parth simply went on with bashing the brand rather than recommending out of experience.

I simply concluded that he does not like the brand and thus tries to influence people aways from it.

Basically go in the older posts when Rynox was not using XY, he was bashing them on something else.
Now he has a new point that XY is Chinese so it bad (illogical) and then again Bashing.

I'm just tired of seeing the same argument over and over again.
6-7 years ago, we were all riding our bikes without knee guards, jackets and gloves.
Now we have options to choose from and suddenly everyone is an expert because they read an article on the internet.
Understand something, the whole point of riding is to disconnect. Different brands work for different people, deal with it. These minor technical differences between different armours hardly matter as motorcycling has always been about the feel rather than the technical jargon.
The whole hoopla about 'I know more about this stuff than you' might make you a better salesman but not a better biker.
At the end of the day, your riding skills matter more than your gear. I've never had an accident ever since I started riding back in '05.

Be constructive, nobody is going to respect you because you can quote data from the internet. Also, stop spamming this thread with useless info for god's sake.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

First you learn to stick to a point.Last post you said XY does not have a website and so its bad. Now I gave you the website and also Lab reports (By an European Lab) for XY. So please provide a concrete reason. Please be logical.
If it was bad it would not have had passed CE test. But I am not saying it as good as Knox or D3o. But there is nothign to worry if someone wants to buy it.

I never said there is anything to worry, I never said it's a total failure.
Scroll up and read all the posts again, I said it's not as good as Knox or D3o, same as you said. Thanks for supporting my point.
Also, I said I won't recommend spending that hefty amount on a jacket with XY at back. 'I won't recommend', doesn't mean I never recommended.
Get some grip boy. Don't unlink things.
Read boy read, I never said 'it doesn't have a website so it's bad', I said 'I couldn't find it'.