Touring + Power - Enfield & HH = P220F. Cheaper option P220S.

Power.

Thank you for the feedback. i know its slow. i just dont wanna regret after buying the bike !! regret creeps up if you get bored or the bike doesnt satisfy you anymore.. you always feel something is missing. i never rode the R15 but i rode the P220. i dint feel at home in it. YES ITS FAST. but after riding the fz it kinda sucked overall. touring is about relishing every aspect of your bike not just speed but @ 80kmph my fz is very boring to me now.. longer distances take ever more longer to cover.. i find differentiating a bike based on a second difference in speed timing pointless.. they are after all seconds. gone. puff. but i want max top speed my money can buy and a 3kmph less speed i can live with !


i rode the classic.. but i'm scared what if it falls on me and i'm not able to take it off !!


i'm 5"11. i'm broad but bony hence the weight lol
do they give R15 for test rides?? not interested in tour specific bikes.. need to navigate city traffic too.

I wish could GAIN 30kgs lol


english please.

yea bro !! atlast !! lol i love the bike.. but getting impatient @ its tiring climb from 80kmph onwards. i'm still pretty much the same size lol

for city, what do you think is best P220 or R15? people say R15 is not comfortable in the city. i rode my friends P220. its fast but am not convinced. its the fastest indian but not the best lol is the P250 a rumor or real? lol i will check the thread.. can wait for some time.. but if i wait too long then i wouldn't ride the bike for more than 2years cause i would be going for higher education.

cruisers outta question man. dont like them.

WHY WONT NINJA PRICE COME DOWN?
wouldn't it come down aft the ninja 600cc bike's launch? *fingers crossed*


munching miles is boring and tiresome on fz. i'm not a full fledged tourer like you.. i will be, come january, but till then i do small trips simply cause my fz can do max of 90kmph (cruise) which i find unsatisfactory. call me greedy lol over all its a great bike it definitely is.. like the below person said power is where it lacks. aft 80 the game is up and am getting really annoyed @ the gear ratio.. its a city bike no tourer. that day when i rode tarc's bullet.. i felt WOW !! i mean the power flow is flawless my bike is more like a bullock compared to the bullet lol

thanks for your offer but i'm not fan of hero honda.



EXACTLY.


well among the 180cc bikes i liked none since the R15 matched the specs i picked it instead of a 180.

dude we live in INDIA !! bad roads are most roads, smooth roads are some roads lol i love the ninja... but THE PRICE.. will it come down by any chance? any idea?

can a person like me 5'11. 60kilos. bony. handle a bike like the bullet? what if it falls down? can i pick it up? lol the weight is what scares me. i have no doubt about its credentials.

is the R15 so bad on bad roads?? i read P220 also has a hard suspension setup how could it handle the bad roads better than the R15? on touring which bike would be better R15 or P220?

Touring and city ride..

hey guys

on the basis of touring comfort and city comfort regarding the gearing and the suspension, how would you rank the P220 and R15? which is better? i will try to get my hands on a R15 to close this debate. till then.

i thank you all for your participation !

The R15 can handle city riding pretty easily, believe me. The problem would be if you get stuck in bumper to bumper traffic or a km long traffic jam your left palm will be killing you with the pain of constantly pulling and letting go of the clutch.

The r15 has a longer turning radius, and hence can be a handfull while taking u turns in tight lanes.

Apart from that, the r15 is a gem of a machine, and since you are skinny and want something light + with top speed over 140 + less than 2lakhs, I'd say you have no other option apart from the r15. The 220 is also quite heavy at 150kgs. So take a test ride and decide for yourself.

R15 is what you should be looking for...touring comfort of both the bikes are appreciated by various auto journos and of course,users too..

for city rides r15 is a little pain than the 220.but its good for you man,atleast you wont race in city na its quite a headache in bumper to bumper traffic..but the overall outcome of an r15 is sheer bliss dude...it will be perfect for you.i dont think p220 will suit you or go well with you..r15 is light,quick,nimble,flickable and obviously better quality than bajaj parts.i also guess that you wont be having enough time to visit service centers frequently new models are expected at dussera...just a few months time na..letz wait and see...but if none crops up,i would strongly suggest you the r15.only bummer is i can never experience the ride of it cause am too big and fat

Dude I also have the Ninja in India only...AM not sure whether the price would come down. There are second hand Ninjas available for your taking.
Are u telling me that India has bad roads all over..Come on open your eyes and look around..
Search for a guy called Tenhut and he does more than 200 on the Indian roads!!
I did a Pune to Kerala on my NInja and barely saw a bad road on the way!!(Pune>Blore>Mysore>Sultan Bathery>Kottayam <Coimbatore<Salem<Blore <Pune)

FYI when i bought the bull i was 5"9 and 63 kgs (guess the gain in weight (3kgs) is compensated by the loss in height (2")) over you..Have fallen on the road a couple of times and had no problem in picking up the bike and driving away. (thankfully it didnt fall on me both times)..And neither had any problems in driving the bike all the way up from Pune to BHutan

BTW the NInja doesnt weigh too low either...Its wet weight is around 175 and a bullets wet weight is around 180 kgs!

R-15 is of a similar nature to Ninja (weighs considerably less thou)..You can ask anyone who has changed their suspension set-up to suit bad roads, whether it works fine..

I'm a slow rider in city cause i'm a student.. cant waste money on fuel. i find fz's clutch painful. people say the weight of the body on the arm and not the bike itself which makes it uncomfortable.. am i right? taking a test ride is a problem.. none are giving it here !!


yea i read some touring comparos they always picked P220 or karizma or ZMA.. they say the R15 is uncomfortable and performance is a issue..


yes quality is a big issue.. i dont wanna be running to the service centre for every other thing but then performance is a another ball game. dude i find fz's clutch tough to handle in traffic.. feels too heavy to pull in.. i asked both local mechanic and service centre guys they both said the clutch is fine.. but my hand hurts.. any ideas? i rode the P220.. it has a very light clutch and gearbox.. dint get a chance to ride the R15 yet.. dont get test rides here.. i think i will heed your advice and wait for the festival season. bajaj upgrading its bikes to 4valve seems like a reasonable guess if not a 30cc increase over 220. otherwise i need to ride the R15 to finish this deal.

haha.. i like you man !! there are good road no doubt but interior or city roads arent always great. second hand ninja sounds good but how do i proceed? and what if that person ripped his bike and all.. not exactly a fan of 2nd hand.. i want a virgin !! but a ninja sounds mouthwatering. even if ninja falls on me its fairing will protect me from the heat.. i mean you get it na.. if a bullet falls on you even if you can pick it up, the heat (if ur legs get stuck near the engine) will not allow you, all you can do is shout.. lol scary scene !! R15 doesnt have adjustable suspension bro. Pune to bhutan?? your god !! lol i so long to do rides like those.. the only problem money and cc !!



i guess my eyes are on the R15 now.. though only a test ride would help me decide. and also a second hand ninja(sounds mouth watering). thank you everyone for your valuable feedback. i plan to wait for the festival season. the speculation thread seems to hard to resist lol also get my hands on some second hand ninjas !!

Tell you what you can buy the p220s. it handles better than the 220 but essentially has everything the 220 has, it looks better than the 220f and is cheaper aswell. I don't see any other bike in your budget.

+1
I will also suggest you check out P220S. It will be good for you.

You could have started a thread saying R15 or P220 as you yourself has ruled out all other bikes of similar segment
Are you really going to buy a new bike

The FZ's clutch is as soft/hard as other motorcycles, maybe you sampled a rough Motorcycle.
Because they both(3) can tour on good roads as well as bad, which the R15 can't and isn't meant to(bad roads that is) Who says? can you be specific? It isn't as comfy as others, but then you are a college student.

when did i say budget is a constraint? and i want the projector headlamps of the F version plus its different from the normal everyday pulsar.


how did you get that idea? i'm all systems go for R15 coming monday. but confused about this rumor about new pulsar during the festival season. dont wanna regret later.

lol i could have.. i thought i would get some ideas on the ninja too.. ZMA or karizma isnt the end of the world bro. besides the fact that i'm strongly against the brand.


for your 1st post.
probably. it was fine in the beginning. its only of-late. the svc cant understand my problem or cant figure out the problem or just dont care.

for your 2nd post.
i realised that bro. but i dont like HH and i dont want the quality issues of the pulsar. by "who" i refereed to the motorcycle magazines which conducted the test. both overdrive and bikeindia had conducted "best touring bike" test. the R15 came 2nd. in overdrive it was P220 and in BI it was ZMA. or its reversed i dont remember. lol

i could TD R15 only on tarmac so no idea how it would behave on bad roads. R15 owners said it isnt back breaking but hands hurt after a while cause of the position. my friend has a P220f and it was pretty good too but i dont know if it was cause of his poor maintenance or bajaj service it had rattles everywhere, the gearbox was not positive, the handlebar seemed to be a bit off, just the overall quality was not exactly welcoming and his is just a year old. so i'm going for the R15. but my friend thejus (satan69) told me to wait for some new pulsar models. so in two minds. dont wanna regret later.

One thing i want to telll you is..no manter what bike they release for another
a year or two you wont regret buying an R15.The vast technology used in these
bike cannot be matched even if the bajaj releases an 250cc bike. so
still what are you thinkin about go a head and book a r15 then a rossi like feeling will start building up inside you. (as a complimentry)