Ahh Mr. RISHIS. I remember you had a thread for a similar topic in the same "what bike" section. If I remember well then we & others had a long discussion already on the similar topic http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/what-bik...rtr-other.html.
Then why did you open a new thread??


Anyways i would recommend the R15 anyday over ZMR if you are riding on highways more than in traffic.

bro i would love to hear the reason behind this choice..

A lot of factors are there.

first being the free revving engine of the R15 which does not give any complaints even at its peak rpms.
Second is the liquid cooled engine which is lot more efficient than an oil cooled one.
Third is its light weightedness which gives it a better power to weight ratio. Although the light weightedness can be a negative point since it gets affected to the cross winds but even the ZMR has this problem because of full fairing.
Fourth is better fuel efficiency.
Fifth is its unmatched handling & stability.
sixth is better availability of spares than the ZMR.
seventh is a better top speed.
eight is its cheaper price & relatively less waiting period.

I feel when you are spending so much money, best thing to do is get hold of both of bikes, test drive for several kms, in various conditions if possible, and then choose the bike which you feel suits you better.

Asking opinions may not help you, especially in your case, when you say you are bored of the 220. That's already more powerful than both the options you are asking to choose from, right?

R15 owner will tell go for R15. ZMR owner will tell go for ZMR. Other members will tell based upon their perceptions/experience/judgement/biases etc.

I am a ZMR owner. I am also a huge Yamaha fan, I have an RX100. When I went to Yamaha showroom, they told no test ride for R15. I sat on the bike, asked my friend to sit behind me. I felt this bike may not be comfortable for riding. Didn't have any friends who had the 15. Pillion comfort was also a factor for me. Much as I loved the bike that was there on the display, comfort factor and no test ride was a dealbreaker for me.

Went to HH showroom, wanted to book ZMA-R, saw the ZMR on display, looked nice. Didn't mind spending the extra 20k, booked it. Comfortable bike for both rider and pillion. Makes good power in the lower RPM range, rarely need to rev to 6k, very nice city as well as highway ride. Floats my boat.

Spares situation for ZMR is definitely improving. At least in Pune. They are able to get the spares in 2-3 days via air courier.

220 owner, both bikes are good, so is your current ride. If you really wanna choose between R15 and ZMR, a good test ride is the way to go.

Sadly these which-bike threads are turning into wars, giving bad vibes. Especially R15 vs ZMR decisions. Enough said.

my views are in bold letters, feel free to discuss anything about it

yeah true..lol

for highway use ZMR is better then both P220 and Yamaha R15....even BikeIndia accepts it...

Yes I know thats bcoz I coudnt still makeup my Mind.... Now I am again confused with the same thing..... I have shortlisted 2 of these

One more thread.... ufffff

I have ridden R15 and ZMR both .. r15 for 3months solid and ZMR for 6months solid...

I am not a expert racer or a grand tourer, but I would like to say to the guy who opened the thread.

R15 gives more confidendce while going at higher speeds(best braking) and engourages you to go at higher speeds 'I would say which may not be a really good thing'
ZMR is a more relaxed more comfortable than a R15 for tours.. If you are young and dont have any issues with the riding position R15 is the best bike I would say..
If you want a comfortable tourer ZMR is the best available I would say.

And to tell about the top end I will tell you the first hand info I have;
I have done 130kmph on ZMR(fully squeezed) and my cousin did a 134kmph on r15(more to squeez)

How they got there:
ZMR zooms to 110-115kmph from there it takes ages..
R15 takes ages to get to 60kmph from there it zooms to 125+kmph its so good, you wont even notice when you reach 125kmph..

I will say one thing to all the guys who are planning to buy a new bike...

All the bikes have their own pros and cons. If you open a thread here its definetly going to screw up your mind .. so My suggestion is just buy a Bike which you love most and ask here how to get the best out of it...!

@sheelpriye

i was just about to answer each & every question of yours before you deleted your post..

regarding parts availability, i mentioned that period in Delhi only as i know only about Delhi, n it wasn't costly as well cuz it just cost me around 2k(after insurance, otherwise it was around 6k) for one side fairing, handle bar, "T", alloys n few other important parts..

that comment of adding iron bars to increase weight was funny as well..i would just laugh on it

now about mileage..if u doubt that a ZMR can't give 40km/l while cruising around 100k's then ride a ZMR for long route n check it yourself to clear your doubt cuz i know you won't agree if i say that these figures are easily gettable on ZMR..even bike India said..
"the R15 is made for a purpose and hence you do lose out a bit on the efficiency front. The ZMR with added benefits of the FI and a softly tuned engine turns out to be most efficient here(among ZMR,R15,A180 & P220)." (i know u'll say they are biased )

also when you said that R15 is more comfortable on long route then a karizma (ZMA/ZMR), that shows your fanboism..i would choose an R15 over ZMR while on track but on a long tour i would always prefer a comfortable ride so ZMR would be my pick on a tour..

yeah exactly..listen to everyone but do only what your heart & mind suggest cuz a definition of "best bike" may vary from individual to individual..

+1, TAKE THE ONE YOU LIKE.

if you ask me, i went for a hunk over a zma not because hunk is better or zma is not fuel efficient but because i liked the hunk more than the zma. i am perfectly satisfied with my bike. had i asked anyone, I would have been forced to buy the zma at the gunpoint .. the zma is anyday better than the hunk but i liked the hunk so i got it and not the zma.

the point is clear, GET WHAT YOU WANT AND NOT WHAT ANYONE RECOMENDS.

just as an example, I have recomended unicorn to many people (i loved it so much) but eventually when I got my first bike, I did not buy it. i got an hunk instead.

Adding more weights adds stability as per you, so HH should add more plastics to ZMR, right? More stability is never bad, is it?
Weight adds stability, my goodness, from where on earth did you even perceive this? any liter class bike is as stable or more than a 'busa or ZX-14. cross-winds be damned.
How come RX-100 (103kgs) is stabler than CD-100 (107kgs) whilst weighing less?

Have been somewhat associated with automobile journalism since long.
Have friends working on many publications and I for a fact know how magazines work and what happens under the table. or at launch events...
Can you imagine i20 being faster than i10 on the same engine with so less weight?
Shall wait for others to comment.
Tone down a bit.
For me it is, I never said, what suits me or is comfy to me should suit others too...did I? How much comfy is a ZMR over a regular Karizma?
Save for the advantage of FI, I don't see much upgrades as per as performance goes.
Drop the 'me hayabusa' plastics on ZMR and we shall see genuine buyers at HH shworoom and also its performance should be somewhat up.
That sticker and the belly pan faring is horrendous to say the least.

We have a thread regarding the (un) availability of spare parts--

Will you grow up guys..... and stop the nonsense trashing out, give the advice or not that what this thread is about

I am just concerned about one thing People have done Leh on R15 without a problem. Some people have also told me that the Bike will give u a problem for a week osooo regarding the backache but then i will get used to it.............. but that is for 5.7 or 5.8 height guys..... I am almost 6....... May be it may be a bigger problem....
I know the best bike for touring in country has to be Karizma ZMR but still i am not quite a of Indian companies regarding after sales service especially after owning a bajaj. Yamaha produces World class prducts and also they have to grabhold the indian market supermacy ....
As of now As far as i know People haven't complained much of a Yamaha product....... But Indian companies neglect their customers...... I have read the ownership thread many a tyms.... of all the three 220, ZMR , R15 and R15 seems to be way more reliable than the other two.......