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  • R15 or Pulsar 220 dtsi, is it a close call?

    Hi,

    Ok here's the deal, I'm looking to buy my first bike. My story is like this, I am a contractor and residing in Goa, I have to cover lots of distance on some days, I have come to the conclusion that I need to get a bike to do this.

    Now I have narrowed it down to the R15 or the 220 dtsi, why these two? you may ask, the answer is simple, i need good performance as I'm not a daily commuter, I have ruled out that segment and I can't ride or drive a slow vehicle, I don't thrash vehicles, but good performance is required as it can get you out of trouble as well, plus occasionaly I would like to use the bike for fun.

    I have ruled out anything from Honda or Hero Honda, purely because when I visited the Honda show room no sales staff even approached me, Hero Honda they had little interest either, when I enquired about a zmr, they said no test drive vehicle and to even see one I would have to go to there storage place far away and were trying to push me to book a white zmr as this is what they had in stock. I have also ruled out the TVS apache as I can't even find the showroom or any contact details.

    So my final choice rests between these two. Now my prefered option is to try and find a used R15 and give it the Joel touch, I may even do it to a new one. I had visited one Yamaha showroom twice and found the staff very attentive and helpful, it was a pleasant feeling and how it should be, I had visited a second showroom owned by a different dealer and found the staff either sleeping or uninterested, when I visited the Bajaj guys, it was also a pleasant feeling, with helpful and attentive staff.

    The differences between the bikes and which one suits me better is where you guys will hopefuly assist me

    I am 5ft 11.5" tall and weigh in at around 87kg on a good day, as i stated above i need good performance, which both will do pretty much out of the box.

    I will list the comparisons between the two bikes as I see it, feel free to guide me.

    1) Looks, this is subjective, both have their charm, the yammie looks sleek and sporty, the pulsar mean, meaty and raw, the yammies mono shock gives it the edge to me, so the score is 1-nil to yamaha

    2) Feel, I'm talking of when you sit on the bike (In a showroom) the bulky feel of the pulsar gives it a slight edge, so that makes it 1-1

    3) Engine sound and exhaust note, their both 1 cylinder engines, so not much difference, out of the box the pulsar has a more pleasing sound, so that's 1-2 to the pulsar

    4) Handling, according to all the reports the R15 wins this hands down, the goal will go to Yamaha, but please give your real world experiences regarding the 220 in it's current form, with it's latest tyre upgrade (soft compound) 2-2

    5) New price, simple 2-3 in favour of the pulsar

    6) Straight line acceleration, I believe this is pulsars goal 2-4

    7) Maintainace, Yamaha should be the clear winner here, so that's 3-4

    8) Comfort/convenience, having only sat on both bikes in the showroom, I felt good on both bikes, my but felt comfortable on both, riding position, though different on the two, was equal on both, with the Yammie things seemed a little better in terms of the positioning of the mirrors foot pegs and controls, so a slight edge there, 4-4

    9) Technology, this goes to Yamaha, 5-4

    10) Service and spares, I am led to believe the local Yamaha dealer gives a good service and spares shouldn't be an issue, Bajaj have an svc close by, less than 10 mins away and pulsars are very common around here, I'm giving the pulsar half a point on that, purely because they are quite common, so their is not much exclusivity, so that makes it 5-4.5 in favour of the R15, but the difference is too close to call, so please read my remarks, alter them and give me your inputs, please only comment if you either own either or both of these bikes or use them regulary, as I will probably be keeping the bike for a very long time.

    Cheers,

    Stefan
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  • #2
    Query approved.
    (Been There Done That) x 3.25

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    • #3
      Originally posted by stefanm View Post
      Now my prefered option is to try and find a used R15 and give it the Joel touch,
      That sums it up. If you are going that route, R15 is untouchable, but if you are going to let it remain stock, i would suggest you rather choose P220 and call it a day.

      PS: ECU upgrade, Big bore kit, air filter and free flow (everything by Joel) should at-least pump 4.5 - 5 bhp extra in that bike.
      My thoughts are subjected to personal experiences/internet articles. Please read my comment carefully before replying. :)

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      • #4
        Bro first test drive both the bikes,then decide.
        As you are wiling to go for Joel'ed version of R15 and have no budget barrier,i would suggest you to go for R15

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        • #5
          If you can wait for few months then CBR250R would be much better option then any other bike upto its category & if you can't wait then a joel'ed R15 is a better option according to me..
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          • #6
            If you want to Joel it anyways, why buy a new R15? Joel has also cast his magic on 220 dtsi. According to him 220 dtsi is very good to work on. I got my 220 Moded from him, and nothing comes in the way
            Last edited by chinmayakar; 02-03-2011, 06:17 PM.

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            • #7
              Thanks for the replies so far.

              Well as I do have a budget, which is a max of 1lac10 for the r15, i am looking out for a 2nd hand r15, as i will be voiding the warranty, the cbr250 is out of my price range and i won't buy a honda due to the attitude at the showroom, same for hero honda. I have been in contact with Joel and am happy with what he has quoted for the R15, also he is doing some mods for the 220, although i didn't find out until after i had posted the original message.

              So this has left me more confused, of course the r15 is the first choice, but i want to know is real world performance, i probably will never get the chance to use a race track, but we have really great tarmac roads in Goa for the most part, with lots of twists, turns and hills to contend with, we also have many dogs, cows, buffalos and people wandering in the road. So in the real world what is the difference in handling between the two?

              Cheers,

              Stefan
              Beware of Bread, don't say I didn't warn you!
              More than 98 percent of convicted criminals are bread eaters !
              Statistics show that more than 75 % of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread !
              Bread is known to be extremely addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water, actually begged for bread after just two days !
              Bread has been proven to kill. Scientists have now uncovered alarming evidence that 100% of the people who eat bread will eventually die !

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              • #8
                either way... both the bikes in question would work for you.

                Originally posted by stefanm View Post
                Now my prefered option is to try and find a used R15 and give it the Joel touch, I may even do it to a new one. I had visited one Yamaha showroom twice and found the staff very attentive and helpful, it was a pleasant feeling and how it should be,
                keep in mind that the showroom staff won't be servicing your bike.

                check out to see if their service centre is just as attentive & helpful.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by stefanm View Post
                  Thanks for the replies so far.

                  Well as I do have a budget, which is a max of 1lac10 for the r15, i am looking out for a 2nd hand r15, as i will be voiding the warranty, the cbr250 is out of my price range and i won't buy a honda due to the attitude at the showroom, same for hero honda. I have been in contact with Joel and am happy with what he has quoted for the R15, also he is doing some mods for the 220, although i didn't find out until after i had posted the original message.

                  So this has left me more confused, of course the r15 is the first choice, but i want to know is real world performance, i probably will never get the chance to use a race track, but we have really great tarmac roads in Goa for the most part, with lots of twists, turns and hills to contend with, we also have many dogs, cows, buffalos and people wandering in the road. So in the real world what is the difference in handling between the two?

                  Cheers,

                  Stefan
                  I would suggest you to ask the doctor himself and get the answer... I know the answer, but i would rather prefer doctor to answer it you.
                  My thoughts are subjected to personal experiences/internet articles. Please read my comment carefully before replying. :)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by stefanm View Post
                    we have really great tarmac roads in Goa for the most part, with lots of twists, turns and hills to contend with... So in the real world what is the difference in handling between the two?
                    on the handling front... the R15 wins, hands down.

                    it's light and very flickable...
                    but you do need to rev it hard to stay in the fun zone.

                    test rides... one of each... would help solve any confusion you have.

                    they're two very different bikes.
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                    • #11
                      I've also been in the same dilemma for some time as i am gonna buy my ride in march but i gave on to p220 for following reasons:-
                      More torque- i love accelerating hard...
                      cheaper- will use difference money to buy gear
                      Stiffer handling- 99.9% guys consider this to be negative point but i dont like light and zippy bikes, i like'em mean and powerful (definately male)
                      Better exhaust note- agree with you there....
                      Uncomfy posture of r15- i am 6'1" and when i rode r15 for 20kms one time, my back and neck felt broken..
                      And last but not least my gf hates r15
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                      • #12
                        @xionite
                        whats your experience on the off-tarmac rideability and comfort/ problems with R15..i know our fellow xbhpians would have even made it to Leh on R15..but practically on a day to day basis how does it fare...my place has motocross quality roads and I had my (just)assumptions that R15 with its full fairing, thinner softer tyres will have a tough time(I have not ridden one)..whats your take

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                        • #13
                          pulsar will do justice to your requirement since you travel long time some days as you mentioned R15 with its sporty ride position will bring back pain its IMO test ride both and decide

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                          • #14
                            well...

                            first you said...

                            Originally posted by stefanm View Post
                            we have really great tarmac roads in Goa for the most part
                            now you say...

                            Originally posted by Aravind View Post
                            @xionite
                            my place has motocross quality roads
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                            • #15
                              @StefanM Really a close call this..The choice would totally depend whether you want A) outright straight line speed or B) you want a really fast motorbike that handles like a charm and is free from niggles. If Choice is A go for the P220 it is the fastest Indian. If your Choice is B go for the R15.
                              Last edited by yamahatrooper; 02-04-2011, 03:08 AM.
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