Betwen 65 and 95k, depending on age, condition and km's run, also location has a part to play.
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Originally posted by rameshmadhavan View Post
Betwen 65 and 95k, depending on age, condition and km's run, also location has a part to play.Beware of Bread, don't say I didn't warn you!
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ChennaiOriginally posted by stefanm View PostBetwen 65 and 95k, depending on age, condition and km's run, also location has a part to play.
Had seen few, evrything between 80 - 95 is what people quote here...
Let me tryNever Give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
Cheers
Ramesh Madhavan
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In real world, P220 Dtsi is not bad in city traffic at all. Though it may not handle like a R15 on a Racetrack, but in city traffic, it can cut through slow moving traffic easily due to good torque spread across the rev-range, also the changed rake Angle Geometry on the 220 DTSI and stiffer suspensions help in handling.
On Highways too P220 Dtsi can cruise at triple digit speeds with ease. I have done a lot of Mumbai-Goa, Pune-Goa trips on both 220 FI and carb on various occasions, and I must say the DTSI version handles much better.
Hope this answers the real world scenario question
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whats with this real world and virtual world man.... just decide on what basis and factors do you want the bike for and what each bike is capable of doing...
R15 over 220: very very flickable (cornering king),handles very well (its a bit shaky on highways when lorries or other vehicles zoom past in opposite way),good fuel efficiency (almost equal to 220 or more),better quality parts,low maintenance
220 over R15: awesome lights, meaty torque,better top end,cheap spares,grounded solid on highways
Real life situations IMO is the combination of highways and city riding for me...for highways because of abundant torque to overtake or escape in sticky situations,HID + Osram lighting set up,Sirac rear tyre and FZ front tyre,and a consistent FE of 30 to 35 at speed greater than 120kmph,minimal but noted power loss over a constant riding and ripping for minimum of 7 to 8 hours...i would say my 220 is 1st class...
for city riding,the same torque for same reason,better mileage as speeds would be around 60kmph,good handler (not as good as r15 though mind you but i guess one doesnt need to flick on city roads as you do on a race track),cheap spares etc is enough fo rme to be satisfied... but yes i end up in SVC more number of times than an r15 owner for any niggles ..
and as chinmayakar said,joel is making his bike to be faster and quicker than ninja...after that project is successful i will be next in line to get that exact kit.so i guess you can go for that modification too as you are not interested to keep the bike stock.unless joel can make an R15 faster than the ninja and the present ongoing souped up 220...
if you ask me,220 is the ideal bike for all conditions..i dont mind the extra visits to SVCs..after all i would like to keep my babe in tip top condition...and the result fruit is much more satisfying and worth everything
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Faster than ninjaOriginally posted by chinmayakar View Post[
Please do not comment if you do not have the facts. I have got my bike moded from Joel and theres lot more than FFE. My bike will be moded again on 15th Feb to make it faster than the Ninja.



@TS:- My pick would be P220. But if reliability is your concern then the R15 makes a better sense.NOT BEEN THERE NOT DONE THAT
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These two are reasons enough for you to buy the R15Originally posted by stefanm View PostHi,
Ok here's the deal, I'm looking to buy my first bike. My story is like this, I am a contractor and residing in Goa, I have to cover lots of distance on some days, I have come to the conclusion that I need to get a bike to do this.
Now I have narrowed it down to the R15 or the 220 dtsi, why these two? you may ask, the answer is simple, i need good performance as I'm not a daily commuter, I have ruled out that segment and I can't ride or drive a slow vehicle, I don't thrash vehicles, but good performance is required as it can get you out of trouble as well, plus occasionaly I would like to use the bike for fun.
I have ruled out anything from Honda or Hero Honda, purely because when I visited the Honda show room no sales staff even approached me, Hero Honda they had little interest either, when I enquired about a zmr, they said no test drive vehicle and to even see one I would have to go to there storage place far away and were trying to push me to book a white zmr as this is what they had in stock. I have also ruled out the TVS apache as I can't even find the showroom or any contact details.
So my final choice rests between these two. Now my prefered option is to try and find a used R15 and give it the Joel touch, I may even do it to a new one. I had visited one Yamaha showroom twice and found the staff very attentive and helpful, it was a pleasant feeling and how it should be, I had visited a second showroom owned by a different dealer and found the staff either sleeping or uninterested, when I visited the Bajaj guys, it was also a pleasant feeling, with helpful and attentive staff.
The differences between the bikes and which one suits me better is where you guys will hopefuly assist me
I am 5ft 11.5" tall and weigh in at around 87kg on a good day, as i stated above i need good performance, which both will do pretty much out of the box.
I will list the comparisons between the two bikes as I see it, feel free to guide me.
1) Looks, this is subjective, both have their charm, the yammie looks sleek and sporty, the pulsar mean, meaty and raw, the yammies mono shock gives it the edge to me, so the score is 1-nil to yamaha
2) Feel, I'm talking of when you sit on the bike (In a showroom) the bulky feel of the pulsar gives it a slight edge, so that makes it 1-1
3) Engine sound and exhaust note, their both 1 cylinder engines, so not much difference, out of the box the pulsar has a more pleasing sound, so that's 1-2 to the pulsar
4) Handling, according to all the reports the R15 wins this hands down, the goal will go to Yamaha, but please give your real world experiences regarding the 220 in it's current form, with it's latest tyre upgrade (soft compound) 2-2
5) New price, simple 2-3 in favour of the pulsar
6) Straight line acceleration, I believe this is pulsars goal 2-4
7) Maintainace, Yamaha should be the clear winner here, so that's 3-4
8) Comfort/convenience, having only sat on both bikes in the showroom, I felt good on both bikes, my but felt comfortable on both, riding position, though different on the two, was equal on both, with the Yammie things seemed a little better in terms of the positioning of the mirrors foot pegs and controls, so a slight edge there, 4-4
9) Technology, this goes to Yamaha, 5-4
10) Service and spares, I am led to believe the local Yamaha dealer gives a good service and spares shouldn't be an issue, Bajaj have an svc close by, less than 10 mins away and pulsars are very common around here, I'm giving the pulsar half a point on that, purely because they are quite common, so their is not much exclusivity, so that makes it 5-4.5 in favour of the R15, but the difference is too close to call, so please read my remarks, alter them and give me your inputs, please only comment if you either own either or both of these bikes or use them regulary, as I will probably be keeping the bike for a very long time.
Cheers,
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I had typed a big post but (un)fortunately the net gave up and the whole effort was wasted...
Anyway the gist is, since you are ready for modding, you can look at this situation in this perspective
R15 + mod = Powerful as/more than stock p220 + already superior handling, quality, BUT lot of money to spend
P220 + mod = LOADS of power and torque for lot lesser money, BUT can't equal R15 in handling, refinement and quality (though not by much)
your take...
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Thanks for all the inputs guys, it definatly is a close call, both rides have their own appeal and charm, if I select either one, it should fulfill my requirements. The R15 just nudges infront, due to the handling and refinement, performance after mods should be similar, though the 220 may have a lot more potential (although not confirmed) now i'm off to check out the used R15 in about an hour, my final decision rests with what deal I get on my Safari as I also need to by another car aswell, I hope to finalise a deal on the car within the next 2-3 days, then i can proceed.
Cheers,
StefanBeware of Bread, don't say I didn't warn you!
More than 98 percent of convicted criminals are bread eaters !
Statistics show that more than 75 % of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread !
Bread is known to be extremely addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water, actually begged for bread after just two days !
Bread has been proven to kill. Scientists have now uncovered alarming evidence that 100% of the people who eat bread will eventually die !
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Bit off topic though. As my 220 dtsi is equiped with a FFE and a reworked head, it makes a loud sound. Today while I was on my way to my friends place, I accidentally pissed off a Cruze owner. I was on a 8 lane highway when I decided to overtake a Cruze from the right. With the FFE and reworked Head the 220 now easily crosses 11000 rpm with ease, and when it does it makes sure to let everyone know about it. The Cruze owner did not like me overtaking him, and then he wanted to show the power of his diesel rocket as it was a pretty straight highway. With a stock 220 you can never dream of racing against a Cruze on a Straight highway with little traffic.
There we go, a speed breaker came, after we made sure we cross it at the same time we tried to out accelerate each other. With my bike now reaching 107 in 3rd Gear, I was quite ahead all the way to 120 in 4th gear, and then had to slow down as there was traffic, and a bike will always outperform a car there.
All this while, the Cruze was not far behind, hardly a bike length behind.
Now I cannot wait for the next level of Mods by Joel. Joel you rock man


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CorrectedOriginally posted by Aravind View Postow...thats quite unbelievable. outaccelerating a cruze especially in a straightline standoff...anyway thats impressive..says a lot about how bad the driver was in shifting the cogs and putting pedal to metal
Post 100kmph, once you are in turbo mode in any diesel Car which costs over 5L, you simply can't out accelerate it in any Indian Motorcycle.
And Cruze?
As far as the topic goes, a P-220 is faster than R15 in under most conditions. And just faster, almost everywhere else, it gets triumphed. And if you aren't obsessed by pub-talk (2-3 kmph top end difference & 1 or 1.5 secs difference in 0-100 acceleration) go for a 'superior' bike.
Happy Buying
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Ok checked out the Yammie and had a ride, fell in love with the bike, also took a ride on a P220 today, liked both bikes, but the R15 suited me better, I prefered the riding position and the gear change, so if budget allows, will pick up the R15, if budget doesn't allow, i will pick up the R15 (will make it happen) This is not final though, still need to shift the Safari and get a smaller car
I'm as decisive as I am indecisive, the wanders of a Gemini
Will update as soon as I know WTF is going on.......
Cheers,
StefanBeware of Bread, don't say I didn't warn you!
More than 98 percent of convicted criminals are bread eaters !
Statistics show that more than 75 % of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread !
Bread is known to be extremely addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water, actually begged for bread after just two days !
Bread has been proven to kill. Scientists have now uncovered alarming evidence that 100% of the people who eat bread will eventually die !
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thanks for correctingOriginally posted by sheelpriye View PostCorrected
Post 100kmph, once you are in turbo mode in any diesel Car which costs over 5L, you simply can't out accelerate it in any Indian Motorcycle.
And Cruze?
As far as the topic goes, a P-220 is faster than R15 in under most conditions. And just faster, almost everywhere else, it gets triumphed. And if you aren't obsessed by pub-talk (2-3 kmph top end difference & 1 or 1.5 secs difference in 0-100 acceleration) go for a 'superior' bike.
Happy Buying
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Last edited by Aravind; 02-07-2011, 12:24 AM.
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Well, compared to a Motorcycle which has two very small contact patches to lean and a very small patch while braking, a Car has 4 very thick patch of rubber to corner and brake.Originally posted by Aravind View Posthad it got more curves...
I am not trying to sound as a Car fanatic and I love my Motorcycles as much as all do over here
(I do regularly drive/ride and love my Cars & Motorcycles, but nothing in the whole wide world can replicate the feeling (read-joy) of riding a Motorcycle.)
Have fun, cheers
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