Superb explanation!

Nope. The 200NS comes in next after the 200 Duke in terms of ease of riding in the city. The R15's perimeter frame + steering geometry makes it steer like a track bike. The 200NS in fact feels like the hybrid between the flickability of the 200 Duke and the Stable/Sharp handling of the R15.

For city rides, the 200NS has better "low-mid-top" end power/torque than the R15, plus a more comfy riding posture. The R15 feels like a proper scaled down replica of a Super Sports and more focussed towards track style riding.


Both the R15 and the P200NS are totally different kind of bikes. Comparing them is like comparing apples with oranges.. but then probably like many out there, the poster is undecided whether to like apples or oranges (in no particular order which one is apple and which the orange ).

Hope you are heavy and well built with workouts. Coz I am 67Kgs avg built, I felt the Duke/R15v1 a breeze to cut through traffic with more confidence. Adding an extra 20+ kgs to my ride on P200NS, I just felt more responsible, flicking the bike and getting back to straight position in split secs was quite difficult when compared to other two.

I myself have suggested R15 to you but A very important factor has been ignored by all of us... and that's FE... the FE of pulser would be much better then R15 if I am not wrong ( experts advise needed here )

I agree R15 has killer looks.. looks worth dying for.. actually R15 V2 is even better looking then Ninja which costs almost triple.. but still being a college going guy you should go with the bike that's not too heavy on your pocket money... ( though the family background matters here )

Rest is upto you as the final decision would be always yours

Though I'm no expert, but the mileage figures for both are on the same lines.
40-44 kmpl if ridden sanely and 35-38 kmpl for spirited riding.

Hence, the TS will be spending the same amount of pocket money on either of the 2 rides.

I'm 5'11" and 73kgs. Now do the maths

R15 will return better mileage than Ns anyday on a similar riding condition. The difference is mileage will range anything between 2-5km/l

I have got all the possible mileage on my R15, When i ride between 40-60kmph - i get an average of 48-51kmpl.

When i ride it from 60-80/85kmph- i get 40-45kmpl.

And ripping it over 90-128kmpl, some time 131kmph i get 34kmpl.

this all figures are tested in last 2 yrs manytimes, mostly when i ride to office every last week i am in eco mode lol.... don't corss more than 70kmph!!

But belive me no one would ride R15 in 4-60kmph range, it will be always on 60-100kmph averagely!! that means 40-45kml

that's the most reliable advice you will get. it's the same from my side..

Top Speed/Acceleration - NS
Economy -NS

Looks and Styling- R15
Handling- R15
Braking -R15
Engine- R15

My personal suggestion although unrelated. If you want more power Go for duke instead of NS.

I'm no engineer but by the figures and talks of experts here, Duke's got a stressed engine. And those kinna engines dont last long,you know.

P200NS and R15 are by simple math equally stressed. Both look good no doubt. But depends on ur use.

I have a R15v2 that returned a mileage of 42kmpl on a 350km ride in constant triple digits.
It was rock,read ROCK, solid at 124kmph, my topspeed so far.

NH8 has some super strong monsoon crosscurrents, believe me if I were on any other bike while overtaking a truck on that dividerless patch I wouldnt be typing this now.
I was at 90+ when i sweeped to the right to overtake, i accelerated straight against the on coming traffic and juz when I leaned to get back ahead of the truck and back on my lane there was a HUGE crosswind that 'tossed' me back on the wrong side. Decelerated,leaned harder and got back on the track,while the on coming traffic missed me by a whisker.

Now for those bullshitting about exclusivity, by Diwali every street will have an NS and no offense R15 will stay exclusive forever. Honest!

Threadstarter, read the above line again and read below.
Owning a R15 is like marrying the sexiest girl in the world. You cant take her everywhere, you can leave her juz like that, you gotta be carefull how to treat her, handle your neighbours envy, your bestfriend's desire, those rogues down the street known to wet their pants at the very sight of her.

Its all fun in the begin, but trust me mate, its a pain. A pain that's claused as 'the perils of riding the hottest girl in the world'.

God bless!

I'm rather interested to know the math involved.

Thanks for your advice bro i had one more worry of 200 NS that is about its quality because i had a bad experience with bajaj in the past i currently enjoy my ride on apache 180 but want to upgrade it and i think R15 will not disappoint me

I can offer to help out on the condition that only people who do not specifically *dislike* reading my posts may read it. If you want to do it yourself, this short article and this slightly longer one should help.

Using this math (which I will not PM anyone), we can comprehensively conclude that R15 engine is much more stressed than both Duke and 200NS engines. P220 Engine is one of the most stressed ones being sold on Indian bikes today.

You could rev a Duke/200NS engine to 12500 RPM and still the stress on the engine will be lower than a P220 engine at redline. The Duke engine will be stressed equivalent to a R15 engine at rev-limiter when revving at 12000RPM. Thats the beauty of a modern short-stroke engine compared to age old long-stroke engines.

Just for the record, the peak mechanical stress on the piston of a Duke/200NS engine is less than that on a Karizma R, ZMR, R15, P220, RE 350, RE500, CBR150R, CBR250R, Ninja 250R

P.S.: For those who didn't read the link, engine stress has nothing to do with swept volume OR peak power.

R15 or not, please don't attempt that type of stupidity on our highways again. Thank your luck that you are still alive. Overtake when only everything is green for you. Do not get offended, frankly I don't get the point of overtaking in the face of on coming traffic. It might be fun when you pull it off by luck or trick, but if you miss it, there is no second guess as to what will happen.

About exclusivity, any day a bike priced at 1.2 lakhs will be more exclusive than the one priced at 95k (assuming that both are successful products), simply because more people will be able to spend 95k on a bike.

In this particular case TS needs to decide what kind of bike does he need, if he is looking at more of highway riding, then certainly R15, provided that he is comfortable with R15's seating posture. Otherwise, just go for P200NS with your eyes closed, coz both got same perimeter frame, but P200NS got extra power & torque with about same mileage. For city riding, without a doubt, P200NS it is.

Dint do it for fun. Was overtaking when it was all green. Was leaning back on track when it was all green. But the current (imagine how strong,cuz I'm 68) was juz too strong and kept pushing off guard no matter how leaned I was. Lucky it was an impulsive gush and I'm alive.
Sure will be more carefull,though.