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**The Monk** · 06-10-2013, 06:24 PM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

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**Rakesh Rok** · 06-10-2013, 09:12 PM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

Originally posted by vijayvenkatesans View Post

I know this is not a fair comparison and I am not comparing these two. Just wanted to convey that I am willing to upgrade to a Karizma (NOT the ZMR one).

Height: 6 ft 4 in
Age: 22
Weight: 102 kg
Intended Usage: Commute/Weekend intra city long distance travel
FE: I am fine with Karizma giving 35-40 in the 40-50 kmph range. The question is does it give that?
Expected usage distance: 25 km daily at least. 40-50km in the weekend.
City: Chennai

Another point that I want to get more clarity on before deciding on Karizma is about it's service. How is the quality of the parts, the ease of availability of spare parts, does it give problems now and then, does it require high maintenance, etc. in comparison to Xtreme. Both are from Hero, so common issues for both can be ignored.

The reason I am considering a Karizma is because of the height (okay, and a bit of show off as well). But I wouldn't want to compromise on the more important aspects because of that.

Coming to your points for the bike, both have it and both are from the same manufacturer, Hero, . . Hero as everyone knows is a well known manufacturer throughout India and I don't think if you choose any of these you would face problems. . . My personal choice would be that if you are going to sacrifice FE a little bit, go for the Karizma or else the Xtreme is waiting for you. . . After the old CBZ Classic, I didn't like the upgraded models until this new model, it looks superb and neat finish too and also it looks quite different. . . Karizma as you said, if maintained in good condition/normal riding, you can expect that mileage as my friends say they get mileage nearer to 45 or else if you rev it too hard, don't expect that mileage. . . Karizma hasn't got that much of an upgrade during the years but still it's a great choice and for your height, why not consider Impulse too, a very different kind of bike, you won't get to see on regularly do you. . ? The colors, the graphics are awesome, think about that too. . .

(PS: Giving options only from Hero). . .

Cheers!!!

**vijayvenkatesans** · 06-10-2013, 09:56 PM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

Thanks for your views. I read conflicting reports on Karizma's mileage (in normal riding) ranging from 30 to 45. This is a reasonably large range and wanted to know more accurately.
I don't like the look of impulse and I am not planning to go off-road. BTW, I am open to options from other brands too if they fit the bill.

**RohIIT** · 06-10-2013, 11:49 PM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

Karizma is carb , ZMR is fuel injected , hence zmr has lil bit better fuel efficiency and power . Being from hero brand both have superb quality and finish . Only problem (i think ) is the fairing , it is prone to damage in heavy traffic . Overall both bikes are superb and customer support by hero is improving day by day.

**worrisomebear** · 06-11-2013, 02:29 AM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

Go in for zma, power is same as zmr and lighter

**Divya Sharan** · 06-11-2013, 09:35 AM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

As pointed by Mohsin bhai, ZMA is 10 kilos lighter and has 0.6 bhp lesser than ZMR. Expect 35-38 kmpl on a ZMA. 40+ on a regular basis is ZMR's territory.

**rreneav1987** · 06-11-2013, 10:28 AM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

I used to have the ZMA and now I have a ZMR.. the ZMA is a wonderful bike and it returns a pretty decent FE figures.. say some 35-38 in city conditions and 40-43 in highways..

there is a lot of difference between the ZMA and the ZMR.. better ride them to find the difference.. everything feels the same.. I have raced a Karizma with my ZMR and everytime i have overtaken it keeping in mind ZMR is heavier than the ZMA by 10kgs...

if you are going to be riding in city limits then i would suggest the Karizma as it is lighter and smaller than the ZMR..

ZMR gives me a decent mileage figs of 40-45 kmpl in city and an outstanding 52-56 kmpl on highways.. keep in mind the way you ride matters..

I ride my Black pearl insane at times and sane at times.. on the highways i don't go below 80 kmph again i don't strain the engine much.. i shift gears properly..

ZMR being a FI might have issues with mechanics in case you are stranded (touchwood it should not happen to anyone)

Best thing for you to do is to test ride the ZMA and ZMR..

what is your budget by the way?? if you are ready to spend 1.3L.. then I would suggest the Duke 200..

It is definitely a monster.. but again.. whichever machine you select should be of your choice so test ride the machines first instead of seeking others help as everyone has a different opinion..

I would any time prefer a ZMR over the Karizma as I find the ride quality is better thanks to the PGM-Fi...

upgrades are not quite possible on the FI, however upgrades are possible on the Karizma as it is a Carb.. Carb is almost an Ancient technology which only Indian Bike Manufactures AFAIK.. pls correct this statement if I am wrong guys...

Cheers and all the best

**vijayvenkatesans** · 06-11-2013, 01:52 PM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

Thanks everyone. I don't have quite the budget to extend to the ZMR and as others mentioned the mechanics not having a know-how of the FI. I am almost convinced about the karizma but recently I heard about the parts for karizma arriving as late as 6 months from a cousin. Read a page in ********** which says that for ZMR. Is it for only ZMR or both? Or is the issue resolved now? Any owners who can comment?

**Rakesh Rok** · 06-11-2013, 02:00 PM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

Originally posted by vijayvenkatesans View Post

Thanks for your views. I read conflicting reports on Karizma's mileage (in normal riding) ranging from 30 to 45. This is a reasonably large range and wanted to know more accurately.
I don't like the look of impulse and I am not planning to go off-road. BTW, I am open to options from other brands too if they fit the bill.

what's your budget exactly so that it'll be useful to suggest the bikes. . ?

Cheers!!!

**Kolte666** · 06-11-2013, 02:07 PM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

Originally posted by vijayvenkatesans View Post

Expected usage distance: 25 km daily at least. 40-50km in the weekend.

Buy an Xtreme, since your running is quite low. To me, it returns around 48@speeds around 70-80 on Highways, twisting the throttle like crazy. And, I get around 52 in city riding, where I limit it to max 60kmph, very slowly opening the throttle. Quality of all HMC products is good. Reliable. Even I am 6'4 and find Xtreme very comfortable. Infact the only one in my budget that came close to comfort Karizma R and ZMR offer to tall people. Seat is a little bit on harder side, also pillion seat is bad. If you intend to carry pillion all the time, go for ZMA. Sofa-like seats both Karizmas have got.New ZMAs easily give you 40 when ridden in 50-60 KMPH range. Expect more with ZMR under same conditions.
Again, I am not that heavy as you, but certainly a test ride should help you.

**vijayvenkatesans** · 06-11-2013, 02:17 PM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

95k all inclusive.

**rreneav1987** · 06-13-2013, 10:55 AM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

Originally posted by vijayvenkatesans View Post

Thanks everyone. I don't have quite the budget to extend to the ZMR and as others mentioned the mechanics not having a know-how of the FI. I am almost convinced about the karizma but recently I heard about the parts for karizma arriving as late as 6 months from a cousin. Read a page in ********** which says that for ZMR. Is it for only ZMR or both? Or is the issue resolved now? Any owners who can comment?

Long ago when the karizma was launched.. people used to face issues.. but now everything is available easily... zmr will have issues with spare parts but in delhi most of the spare parts are available easily.. you shouldnt be facing issues with the karizma though

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**vijayvenkatesans** · 06-13-2013, 03:15 PM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

Thanks. Will go to the dealer here in Velachery and take a test drive this weekend.

**shoeb2015** · 06-13-2013, 10:36 PM

Re: CBZ Xtreme v/s Karizma

Originally posted by vijayvenkatesans View Post

Thanks everyone. I don't have quite the budget to extend to the ZMR and as others mentioned the mechanics not having a know-how of the FI. I am almost convinced about the karizma but recently I heard about the parts for karizma arriving as late as 6 months from a cousin. Read a page in ********** which says that for ZMR. Is it for only ZMR or both? Or is the issue resolved now? Any owners who can comment?

Don't worry about the spares. Have a look at this. http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post956601

Both the bikes are good, if you can stretch the budget then go for ZMR.
FI means that there is no chance of road-side mechanic screwing your bike and that is the reason why they don't recommend ZMR.

I wanted to get a ZMR but couldn't due to budget constraints...settled for an Xtreme and still happy. It is true that you can't go wrong with a Hero bike.

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