Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

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Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

You'll have bend​ a lot more on the CBR150 than the ZMR.

Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

The engine being so damn reliable and having not seen even a single case of serious engine failures on zmr in this forum and outside, i'd advice you to try for a second hand zmr(older version). However i'd like to add that the bending posture on the new zmr is not so low too. You'll get adjusted to it within weeks. As for wrist pains, that will occur on any new bike until you get used to the riding style. But if you feel the posture is not comfortable on zmr, try for a second hand one which is in good condition.
They say there's no replacement for displacement. So better go with a higher cc engine. CBR150 too is good but depends on what kind of a ride you expect. If you need top speeds which you will never achieve unless you are on highways and give importance to looks and refinement, then its the CBR. If you need torque and mileage, zmr it is. Try test riding other bikes too. R15v2?

Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

Thanks for replying.I called up a Honda showroom near my office and they have a test ride bike available.I will do a test ride on saturday.

Thanks for replying.R15 V2 is the best looking bike but Pillion seat being a concern, Sometimes i drop my wife to office and am not sure if she can sit on that comfortably.
That is reason i have shortlisted Karizma ZMR and CBR 150R.I feel that older zmr had better seating position compared to the new one.What is the mileage we can except in ZMR?
CBR150 is giving around 35-40kmpl in city it seems.
This saturday,i will do a test ride of Duke RC200,R15 and CBR150r. I will be in a better position to judge.

Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

It's better to ask the mileage question in the ownership thread. Else you won't believe me. lol! Anyways, now that you have asked, i get 42-43kmpl in cities and sometimes even 45. In highways while commuting to college i used to get a constant 48kmpl at speeds of 90-100kmph. But if you do 80-90 clicks, you can easily expect 50+kmpl. You can confirm the same on the ownership thread.

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It's better to ask the mileage question in the ownership thread. Else you won't believe me. lol! Anyways, now that you have asked, i get 42-43kmpl in cities and sometimes even 45. In highways while commuting to college i used to get a constant 48kmpl at speeds of 90-100kmph. But if you do 80-90 clicks, you can easily expect 50+kmpl. You can confirm the same on the ownership thread.

Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

48kmpl???.. . That is Dazzler territory. when are you selling your bike ?
So theoretically,New karizma ZMR should give more mileage if maintained properly?

Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

No. Lesser mileage theoretically. Marginally less. As the power is tweaked up slightly.

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Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

rock18,

As far as I've heard Karizma ZMR gives lesser mileage than a CBR150R. I personally dont like the ZMR headlight. Styling is off mark.
You should see the ownership threads for mileage info of the ZMR. Also CBR 150R is a revv loving bike, in other words you wont enjoy it while driving it in normal quiet rev bands.
And if you dont love riding loud / if you dont like to rev, I'd not recommend buying the CBR150R.
It idles at 1.5k rpm, gains life after 5-6k rpm (you'll notice the change in engine vocals), at 7-8k rpm it starts roaring and near 9-10k its a superbike.

And no matter how hard I ride, I get a mileage of 40kmpl. If I ride patiently below the 6k safe mark + wise clutch usage it returns near 45k in the city.
Mind you mine is a new bike (1 months old ~600 on the ODO) which is returing these figures before 1st servicing. Honda has changed the switch gear a little.
It has added the pass light switch + a intermediate position in the headlight switch to just turn on the secondary lights, without the primary headlight.
I've heard a newer version of the CBR 150R is due for launch March 2015.
and A new CBR 300R by December 2014.

At highways a CBR150R can give you 50 - 55kmpl depending on conditions which is more than a Karizma ZMR according to what I've come across.

I WILL NOT SUGGEST A R15 SINCE YOU DONT LIKE A P200. R15 has a more aggressive riding style, it will cause wrist pains in the city as well as on the highway.
Personally I dont like the stylng either. its gone too aggressive (but thats my point of view). But will point out that the build quality is good and price vs features is great.

ZMR in terms of performance is a good machine, for the price in fact, its great.
Hero still gets advantage of an engine derived from Honda, so its does perform good.
Although a CBR150R is costlier than a ZMR. The payoff comes in maintenance, service, parts.
A CBR's fairing according to ownership reviews costs 1.5k whereas a ZMR's fairing costs near 9k.
Go through all these before buying your bike. Its not buying its what comes after that counts.
Even servicing is cheaper it seems, my first service costed ~Rs 850. Check for ZMR's. In fact even R15s are costlier to service (4 - 5 times a yr.. !?).
The CBR 150R is a lil pain to drive in traffic (gets heated - liquid cooled radiator side effect),
On the flipside handling is great, balance is gooood (as in you will not need to put your foot down even while crawling with this bike), and touring becomes possible with a radiator.
On straights its fun, even though its posture is bent forward, wrists dont pain after the initial period.
Suspension is soft and responsive, you will not get back pains.

If you could wait, as if you dont know how long, wait and buy, I'd suggest you do, coz there is also a new entry from Hero called the Hero HX250.
It boasts of having a economy, sports mode to it in addition to impressive specs. Even price looks competetive.
I was researching a bit on the launch of the HX250R, but I think Hero will not launch it before next year.

Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

If you already have a dazzler, another 150cc won't be much of an upgrade.
I own a karizma ZMR (old version), have ridden it to Ladakh from Mumbai.
Based on my experience it has the best in class (cc) mileage/average. I achieved an average of 43km/l on my Mumbai-Ladakh ride which includes high altitude/off-road/inter-state-highway riding.
Just to quote and mention an incident;
I was on the last bar(reserve) at drass and the next petrol station is at kargil, a good 60 kms. I managed to reach.
(Considering it's an FI,difficult to know when it came to reserve).
ZMR is the most underrated bike in the country still. The fact that 223 cc mill is churning out just 17.6bhp is indicative of its relaxed nature( to keep things in perspective, just look at the bhp figures of sporty 150ccs and even 200ns which churns out 24bhp).
Big comfortable bike
Great real estate(considering that space is becoming the most scarce entity in all the recent and upcoming bikes)
Great fuel range. (With almost 13-14 litres filled in Jalandhar I managed to reach Kargil)
The FI and variable sensor Honda technology is highly underrated.
ZMR is the best bike your money can buy in India in terms of value-for-money proposition and the over all benefits it gives.
Hope it helps

Ride safe
Vinzy

Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

Bro If ur concerned about power +commuting +touring!

R15 V2 is real companion

As concerned for pillion seat it's comfortable for females compared to gents.

Take bhabhi with u at nearest YAMAHA Showroom or just book a ride. And then u will definitely have changes in ur views, it's only machine designed and proven for unmatched handling with same delta box frame as R6 and R1,and is designed By YAMAHA India. So it's mainly a Indian bike with Japanese technology. Just once give it a try at least test ride. Promise u both will enjoy and love the bike a lot lot.

Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

Thank you so much for your detailed reply.I thought Hero was less costlier to maintain than Honda.
Today i test rode a CBR150,Its literally a 1 minute drive only.I could not even exceed 40km.
There is a beautiful stretch road very nearby(not even 200m from the showroom) but they said i am not allowed to take the bike there.Reason being some body crashed their test ride bike and hence management instruction not to allow it there.I came home disappointed.
But i thought i liked this driving position better than ZMR.I need to do another back to back test drive of both the bikes to decide.


Thanks a lot for your detailed reply.Karizma has been my favorite ever since it was launched but it was not affordable for me that time.Now it has got some serious competition.
Yes Karizma's current price with some bump in power makes it an excellent VFM buy.
I will do a through test ride(provided they allow) again to see if i can drive it easily within city.

Thanks Bro. I will definitely try the R15.It looks so beautiful.Never owned an Yamaha bike before..

Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

True, the ZMR is an underrated bike. Power is set low for a 200+ cc engine to provide mileage (for example a duke200 will give you at max 35 - 38 whereas a ZMR manages a 40+ on avg). ZMR is based on honda's tech, so you can expect the machine to retain most honda characteristics. The only thing I and most people dont like about the ZMR is the styling, if that, lower power, commuter rear shocks (jees, they did'nt give it a mono shock, I mean even unicorn has one) dont matter to you, I'd say go for it. In fact ZMR old one had a better styling than the 2014 one.

I disagree on another 150cc not making a difference / an upgrade part. It finally depends on you !
Is not the cc that really counts, an R15 / CBR / Duke / ZMR / Apache all ride different.
Choose what suits your riding style. See the cons in ownership reviews, and decide if you can live up with it.
For example, an Apache vibrates more than a normal bike after 60.

R15 in 1 word is aggressive. You look at it you wanna race, you ride it, it makes you.

A Duke is all about low, high end power, middle is flat, its a street bike, and acceleration is good.
I dont like its sound (engine makes sound of a vibrating tin can - short stroke side effect).

CBR is a rough and tough bike. Any CBR 150 / 250 for that matter has been lasting + ticking longer than others. See the reviews.
Rev hungry, attention grabber, sound is just awesome. Pillion comfort sets a standard for a sports touring bike.

Ride all of them, take a test ride. Read all ownership reviews + forums on bike problems.
Search on google for "xbhp ZMR problem" / "xbhp CBR problem" / "xbhp R15 problem" they will tell you what the bike is.
I spent 3 months reading + riding all this before buying mine.

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rock18,

bhabi will like it initially but later she will hit you on the head. Pillion comfort is not a plus of R15.
Please dont misguide. The R15 has other areas to score, not this one.

Yes technology is good, build quality is good, power & handling is good.
Forget the thing about a relaxed ride, not for you, not for the pillion.

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Just sharing what I gained from this forum.

Every showroom has its problems, go to the manager again and tell him you are serious about buying this etc etc. you need to know if it will suit your riding or not etc.
Tell them its important and you'd be disappointed by their way of handling customers if they did'nt listen.

If he does'nt budge at all, you can complain in hondas website. And they whoop their asses properly for it.
I dont believe in correcting others repeatedly. mi8 be he gains a lesson but you will waste time.
I suggest you try another showroom if the manager doesnt turn out well.

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Sorry to interfere. Did i hear ZMR gives less mileage ?? [emoji3]

I own a 2010 ZMR and till now.. the best FE o got on highways is 56 kmpl and an avg of 52 kmpl. How i achieved this figure? No. I didnt ride it at 50-60kmph.. no.. not 70s either.. well speeds ranging from 80-90 and some times even above 100s..

The least i got on highways was some 34 kmpl.. Reason for this low FE? Completely my fault.. the chain was too tight and the tire side wall was rubbing against the swimgarm with less air pressure.. got this fixed and got a FE of 44 kmpl.. oops.. did i foeget to mention at what speeds i got this FE Figure?? Constant rides at 110-128 kmph ride with very minimum breaks..

I wasnt not sure whether riding a bike for 5200 kms in 5 days is possible without a backpain!!

My Black Pearl gave me the best company when did New Delhi to Coimbatore and back.

Check out my signature if you want to know how comfortable the ZMR can be.. leave the comfortable part.. how reliable the engine is.. keep the oil changed at proper intevals and your bike will love you back to the extent it will never give up on you..

CBR fairing costs just 1.5k?? Are you sure??

I changed my ZMR entire fairing kit which includes the headlight assembly and it cost me ~7500/-

The best suggestion would be to find out yourself buddy.. test ride all the bikes back to back and buy the bike which suits yiur requirement..

P.S There is no replacement for displacement..

Cheers,
Reneav

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Re: Karizma 2014 or CBR 150R? which one is a better buy?

Hmmm....zmr is the best companion an Indian can buy in its range , be it for touring or city driving . It sure is even an attention grabber especially the 2014 one

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