Anyone with a good knowledge would give a HONDA engine as the solution. Mate, go get a HONDA Heart, and follow a simple rule : " Fill it - Shut it - Forget it".


Get yourself a Uni, CBZ-x or a Hunk, and I bet none of the above quoted problems will creep into your bike for atleast 5 years!!

Hi,

I've taken off RTR160 from the list since i found it wobbly at speeds beyond 80-90...and the ride posture made my back pain a lot ..(rode it for an hour nd half)..

So now its down to the FZ-16 & P180 UG4 ... can anyone kindly mention the Pros nd Cons of both the bikes.. I've heard that the new P180 also doesnt have a kick start.. how true is that ??..

thanx...

R u sure mate?

Cos AFAIK the FZ 16 costed 72k+ while the FZ S costed around 75k.

Thats the problem. Blind faith. There are so many Hondas out there with problems. Maybe not with the engine but other parts. So many things factor into bike problems like aftersales service, maintenance etc.

Regarding indraneil's query, I would suggest him to decide on the looks and performance factor, since mileage doesn't affect you so much. AFAIK, all these bikes return 40+ kmpl .

Oh, BTW, why don't you include the P180 instead of the P150? It is the in the same pricing category as FZ-16. Performance is greater. Looks are subjective.

RTR wobbles at 80-90 I'm hearing such a thing for the first time.. It sure is a razor sharp handler with enough punch packed in it.. So I think the bike you rode might have been faulty or sort.. Between You didn't specify your height and weight.. Normal riders shoudn't be having a bad experience with RTR

Commenting on P180 would be difficult as it is still too early but from the recent owner reviews and test rides provided by other fellow members in this community it seems to be pretty good package.... So Have your test ride when its launched and decide for yourself which bike to go for..

^^ya right. no 150cc bike you can buy in India right now would wobble at 80-90 speeds. the bike you rode might have had some prob with wheel balance or fork.
the rtr does not give me back or wrist pains. made for my height i guess .

FZ = 73k
ZMA = Around 83k

OTR Pune!




As somebody already said, this is out of sheer desperation and blind-faith...
I owned an Eterno which did not even complete 2 years and 8k on the odo, under the mildest riding of my dad had some ENGINE RELATED ISSUES....

I currently own a honda dio which is barely 1 year old and there is nothing extraordinary I felt with that scoot. Its a very plain, simple, underpowered scoot with a dismal mileage of 30kmpl......!

So please shed off this blindfaith and blasphemy for or against a particular brand......
obviously, if you can....

I just mentioned above instances, just to cite an example which might open up eyes for some people who feel Hondas are "blaa blaa blaaa...."




+1.......



Bro, apaches would be one of the best handlers in India...with some razor sharp cornering. The bike which u would have ridden, might have some problems....

Talking about the few negatives you talked about FZ...
Every bike is THE BEST in the market.......
cons and pros are made by the peoples priorities who contemplate buying them.

If your heart says FZ....go for it....And YAMAHA never let its owners down
Higher cost, lesser milege are all overshadowed with the way it drives...
Its road presence, awesome handling, lovely engine feel and the YAMAHA engine.....!

But if you are still confused, take a ride once again....take a nice sneering look at the bike ....beleve me your heart would say .....I wana ride a YAMAHA......

Blind Faith?, I've a Honda as well as a P180 UG3 at my place bro, And Even though I do not get any engine problems in the pulsar, there are sure many other quality problems. I mean they're not the BEST in terms of quality, not a single piece of blindfaith. I'm just ranking the products w.r.t quality. Ya, FZ and Apache are also good bikes having their own pros and cons, but the thread starter is worried about the mileage of FZ, and high speed stability of Apache, so I chose the better option for him. Thats it.

Maybe you are one of the few people not satisfied with your Honda Scoots, but if people start giving the list of even the smallest of the cons, then trust me my friend, I've a bag full of those regarding certain products

Let me re-quote you and break it down.

Honda engine as a solution? Oh, wait, so all the 'other' people out there buying machines other than with Honda engines wouldn't have knowledge? Since when is the engine the solution to a problem regarding operating cost of bikes?

I agree with you that Honda mills are more refined and reliable than competition. But remember that Honda bikes are made up of a lot of things other than the engine. As I told you before, aftersales service and maintenance is very important, regardless of the fact that their is a wing on your tank. Honda's servicing network around the country is something to ponder upon.

AFAIK, fill it shut it forget it, that phrase applied to Hero Honda splendor. It reflected the mileage that bike gave. There is a common age-old perception that Hondas will never develop problems. As much as I liked THAT to be true, nowadays, with HMSI, it is not always the case.

5 years? I will list you guys who have problems within a year of purchase of those bikes. I am not reflecting how bad Honda or Hero Honda is. I am also not suggesting Bajaj, Yamaha, TVS is better. I am just pointing out your over-optimistic statement for 'Uni, CBZ-x or a Hunk'.


Lets see now. With respect to quality, what makes 'Uni, CBZ-x or a Hunk' better than a 'FZ, RTR or Pulsar'?

Switches are better? I don't think so. RTR, FZ and Pulsars have better switchgear, IMHO.
Plastics are better? I think all bikes are at par in this regard.
Brakes are better? I don't think so. RTR have the best brakes, after which the FZ, then the P180, IMHO.

Rims are better? Yes, I do think the rims are better in the Hondas.
Seats are better? Yes, I do think the seats are far better than RTR, FZ or Pulsar.
Lights are better? Definitely no. RTR, FZ and P180 have brighter and better beam throw.
Suspension? Better than P180, but not than the RTR or the FZ.

I think I have covered most aesthetics/exteriors there.

He says he doesn't mind mileage around 40 kmpl. FZ, P180 and RTR gives around that range. RTRs are stable in 80-90 kmph. I don't know a single owner complaining about high speed stability in RTR. Yes, the older Apaches had a very short wheelbase so they used to wiggle at such speeds. But not RTR.

Both of us cannot choose for him, as that privelege is upto indraneil only. We can advise him the best we can though.

I don't think he was dissatisfied. He was just pointing out even Hondas (HMSI) are not fool-proof, like the way you suggested they were.

EDIT: In case I am still unclear to you, my grouse was you suggesting someone to buy a bike simply because its maker's name has 'Honda' in it. It won't make problems go away.

My Height is 5'9" .... nd i weigh around 80...

I will be riding the bike for 3 yrs max... post that i'll upgrade to a car... nd keep the bike for joyrides...nd bike trips wth friends..

So between FZ-16 & P-180 UG4 .. which one would serve the purpose..??

How is the gearbox & Chain of the new P180 ??.. coz i hav heard that they start making gringing noises nd the gears get jammed up sometimes while shifting.. how true is that..

i dont have much knowledge bout bikes...so all that i say/ask is whatever my friends tell/suggest me

I am here just because i want to get opinions fron the specialists... []..

Thanx..

Mate, each of us has his own point of view, I respect yours, but different people have different experiences. Those which are experienced by the majority have a clear precedence over others.


So lets stop the 'war' and respect other's opinions, and help Indraneil to choose the bike best suited for him.

Chears!

The gearbox jamming issues were there on all versions of Pulsars till now but the ug4 version seems to have lost it, by the way owners are sharing their experiences. They report the gearbox to be a sorted flick unit like the engine.

About noise from the chain all O-ring open chain bikes currently in India like FZ, R-15, P200/220, RTR reports such issues but this could be easily overcome with regular servicing of the bike and with the help of a good chain spray.

Different people have different opinions on who's the majority as well.

Yeah, same here. Peace.

@indraneil: I would say go for the FZ. It is a fresh product in the market&should do well for the next 3-4 years atleast. Whats more, you are inclined to it. Don't worry too much about mileage, you can hardly save a rupee or two in a day! You might wanna wait for the Fazer 150 (faired version of FZ).
Once you get whatever you have chosen, just start riding, love it for what it is, take good care of it,&forget about everything else!

I bought a Zma in March and my friend bought a Black FZ a month earlier mate
Hell yeah Im sure !!