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**Galaxtus** · 08-12-2009, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by Binoy View Post

The last statement i don't agree... coz i also own an FZ and had done many touring and city riding as well... i had done a max of 113kmphr on my FZ, and so i can definitely say after a +105kmphr is way too for FZ... and i used my friends ZMA for more than one week and 120 mark is way too simple when compared to FZ, so comparing an FZ to a P220 or ZMA on the basis of top speed is never an answer...

@Topic starter... my opinion is ZMA, even though it's not on ur list... it's an awesome bike to ride...

You can reach 115 to 120 with proper throttle rise. I have reached 100 kmph in the 4th gear. I know its hard but it can be achieved. I am not saying the P220 & ZMA are bad (they are good in there cc vice & have little extra weight for that touring capability). If you dont understand i will gladly help you in reaching speeds with FZ.

**ashishrajarora** · 08-12-2009, 11:19 PM

To be honest with you guys - Speed and acceleration matters to me a lot and equally important is handling in traffic - This will be my babe for the next 2 to 3 years - I love fuly faired bikes and I ould gladly wait for the ZMR or the NINJA 250 if they are coming withing the next 6 months ---
The Twinspark is out of question and so is the FZ(Vs R15) ---
So I have narrowed down my choices to the R15 and P220 :
Of these 2 bikes which is better in terms of both handling and speed/acceleration - Both are equally high priority...
Losing handling at high speeds is a disaster --- Experience and Logic both say so. So please guys Keep in mind that I need both.

========= R15 Vs P220 ========
Both have a lot of PROs but what about the COns ???

**Binoy** · 08-13-2009, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Galaxtus View Post

You can reach 115 to 120 with proper throttle rise. I have reached 100 kmph in the 4th gear. I know its hard but it can be achieved. I am not saying the P220 & ZMA are bad (they are good in there cc vice & have little extra weight for that touring capability). If you dont understand i will gladly help you in reaching speeds with FZ.

thank u very much... it is not me that u didn't understand my answer...
anyways i am delighted...

**Reuterian** · 08-13-2009, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by ashishrajarora View Post

To be honest with you guys - Speed and acceleration matters to me a lot and equally important is handling in traffic - This will be my babe for the next 2 to 3 years - I love fuly faired bikes and I ould gladly wait for the ZMR or the NINJA 250 if they are coming withing the next 6 months ---
The Twinspark is out of question and so is the FZ(Vs R15) ---
So I have narrowed down my choices to the R15 and P220 :
Of these 2 bikes which is better in terms of both handling and speed/acceleration - Both are equally high priority...
Losing handling at high speeds is a disaster --- Experience and Logic both say so. So please guys Keep in mind that I need both.

========= R15 Vs P220 ========
Both have a lot of PROs but what about the COns ???

i do not really want to entre into this discussion but i will recommend you to read previous issues of Bike India and other bike magazines (if you can Beg, Borrow or steel from some one

), wherein they have done exclusive road and track test between 15, 220, ZMA and RTR with proper conclusion. I do not intend to start any tug of war between the 15 and 220 owners but the magazine will say it all. Also you can visit several websites wherein you have test reports. Also, company’s websites comes handy when you want to know about the bike in detail and its features. At least R15 has everything in detail posted in the webpage. I remember there was a interview published in the official web page wherein the bile was tested in Sugo Motto GP race track by one of the Japanese rider and he had given some useful comments there. I think that interview is still there, have not checked in recent times though.

My 2 pence on 15- It is immensely forgiving machine and gives an opportunity for the newbie’s and others to correct the line while cornering or sweeping or while doing anything which would have other wise turned into a horrible accident. Its reliable during high speed braking and cornering, kudos to the delta frame box that motto GP bikes carries and its super soft compound tires.

My 2 pence on 220- its the fastest Indian now!

--Peace

Jai Hind

**Reuterian** · 08-13-2009, 12:12 PM

I am sure you would have gone through this link: RIDING IMPRESSION if not, here you are:

http://www.yamaha-motor-india.com/r15/index.html

the above is what i have been talking about in the below post. tested by Yoichi Ui, you can go to the company webpage-products section- R15-special website-riding impression. But again this is track test results. City riding is not a big pain although and have been enjoying and seeing it from past 1 year and 1 month thats from daya 1 of the launch.

For 220:

i am again sure you would have now gone by this: FIRST RIDE review:

Bajaj New Pulsar 220 DTS-i

go to the company webpage-vehicles-220i section-review-first ride review

Now, you need to decide. Please keep in mind not to oppose any of them here and lead this forum into any sort of brand war.

Peace.
--Jaihind.

**srini** · 08-13-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by ashishrajarora View Post

To be honest with you guys - Speed and acceleration matters to me a lot and equally important is handling in traffic - This will be my babe for the next 2 to 3 years - I love fuly faired bikes and I ould gladly wait for the ZMR or the NINJA 250 if they are coming withing the next 6 months ---
The Twinspark is out of question and so is the FZ(Vs R15) ---
So I have narrowed down my choices to the R15 and P220 :
Of these 2 bikes which is better in terms of both handling and speed/acceleration - Both are equally high priority...
Losing handling at high speeds is a disaster --- Experience and Logic both say so. So please guys Keep in mind that I need both.

========= R15 Vs P220 ========
Both have a lot of PROs but what about the COns ???

both of them are really good in acceleration,though when it comes to handling,the R15 scores.But since commuting is also a priority for you,the R15 won't fit your bill IMO because of the riding position.It may bother you a bit(I honestly don't know how it feels since I haven't actually commuted on one till now)...So,if you're ready to wait for the ZMR,it's good or else you always have an alternative in the P220...

**rakowli** · 08-13-2009, 03:24 PM

Between R15 & P220fi even P220 carb are good bikes. You have to choose after test riding them. P220 carb is a good VFM and P220fi is value for money with a bigger engine. R15 is very good bike but i would like it if it has a bigger engine. 150cc is small compared to the bike's looks.
Its upto you to choose.

**Reuterian** · 08-13-2009, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by srini View Post

both of them are really good in acceleration,though when it comes to handling,the R15 scores.But since commuting is also a priority for you,the R15 won't fit your bill IMO because of the riding position.It may bother you a bit(I honestly don't know how it feels since I haven't actually commuted on one till now)...So,if you're ready to wait for the ZMR,it's good or else you always have an alternative in the P220...

i commute daily on 15 and i have no issues with riding position, not even during the hay days of the bike.

--peace

jaihind

**tibby** · 08-13-2009, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Reuterian View Post

i commute daily on 15 and i have no issues with riding position, not even during the hay days of the bike.

--peace

jaihind

+1 on that..
Even I commute on the R15 daily.. No issues with that for me..

PS: I like your signature today.. Patriotism seems to have seeped into you..

**ankitshringi** · 08-13-2009, 03:47 PM

If u are a tall guy and want to tour on your new bike.... i'd suggest the P220, i didn't find the R15's riding posture too comfy. If basically looking for a tourer, better wait for the ZMR (Hope it doesn't have clip-ons, otherwise ZMA-R would be better off). Otherwise P220 is good-enough for both city riding and touring.
As far as my opinion on R15 is concerned, there is no better track bike in India but it takes a toll on your back while touring.

Test drive and choose wisely

**Reuterian** · 08-13-2009, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by tibby View Post

+1 on that..
Even I commute on the R15 daily.. No issues with that for me..

PS: I like your signature today.. Patriotism seems to have seeped into you..

peace brother peace---

btw i dnt knw why people claim 15 is trouble while touring on 15 most of the bangy guys here having 15 have been doing it happily. we have couple of peole here who personally prefer to tour on 15 and covering distances as close to 400-600 kms per day.

Anyways its all personal experience.

---peace
Jaihind

**Wheel_Spin** · 08-13-2009, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Reuterian View Post

peace brother peace---

btw i dnt knw why people claim 15 is trouble while touring on 15 most of the bangy guys here having 15 have been doing it happily. we have couple of peole here who personally prefer to tour on 15 and covering distances as close to 400-600 kms per day.

Anyways its all personal experience.

---peace
Jaihind

Armchair critics mate

Wudn't know one until you ride one

.

**ashishrajarora** · 08-13-2009, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Reuterian View Post

i commute daily on 15 and i have no issues with riding position, not even during the hay days of the bike.

--peace

jaihind

Originally posted by tibby View Post

+1 on that..
Even I commute on the R15 daily.. No issues with that for me..

PS: I like your signature today.. Patriotism seems to have seeped into you..

Originally posted by Wheel_Spin View Post

Armchair critics mate

Wudn't know one until you ride one

.

So what you guys are saying that R15 has good traffic handling along with the already track proven speed/acceleration ??
Actually I wonder why I did not get that from others before you - I guess that's the kind of assurance I was looking for when I started this thread --- I am a yammi fan for sure but I will never buy a yammy if there is a better bike available that too a lot cheaper --- I feel after getting all opinions here that The R15 is good as a tourer as well as a commute ride.
So as I was before - I guess I will stick to the R15 and continue saving --- Unless of course Bajaj chooses to pop the Ninja 250R ...
Thanks guys for all your advice -
One last question :
I heard that the R15 has a lot of problems handling in Gravel - is that true ?

**HydBiker** · 08-13-2009, 07:02 PM

he he... popcorn stuff...

well, the R15 does a lot of things pretty different from other bikes. You need "getting used to" with the bike. It is much easier to tour on the R15 than to ride it for 40 KMs across the city non stop!

well, what am I doing??? no comments.. only read pages with pop corn

**tibby** · 08-13-2009, 07:07 PM

@ashish: Yes! The R15 has some problems with gravel (& mud), due to the soft compound tyres.. But its something you encounter seldom, so shouldn't base your choice of bike on it IMO..

Reg riding in traffic, it is flickable, but there are prolly more traffic friendly bikes out there.. Basically, I don't find it a pain in traffic is what I meant.. I'm not saying its the best bike to ride in high traffic conditions..

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