Nice one there Leon....

LiBran, if engine quality and refinement, comfort and reliability are your primary criterion then you have no better option than the ZMA.

But you are still a student. ZMA is a bike for people like me - the Uncles Only we speak about things like comfort and reliability. You should speak about stuff like power and more bang for your buck that the P220 offers. At least, that's what seems to be the norm with many people in this forum keep up with the trend!

As praful said there are real facts posted in this thread so do the comments to support the bike each own/love.So dont blindly listen to all. I donot want to quote and create more hungama here again. Post mine and Vianls post there has been a lot happening in this thread, some healthy and not so required discussion. I am sorry if that created all these, I didnt want to hurt any ones feelings.

What ever the bike u buy you will not get disappointed, each has something to offer.And you are not gonna ride others bike much so you will get used to your bike and will not find any prbolems and you will love it.Usually you make the difference when you try out something else-thats when you realize what you have and what you dont have.I have enough experince in both these bikes - not just one or two 10-20 kms ride, and hence my review.

And to all I was not way trying to show 220 as a bad bike, even if I try its not. Its only that I was trying to convey what I felt about both bikes which I feel is fair. In this case telling one bike performs better than othen in a aspect doestnt make the other bike.

I am ok to hear that ZMA is scary in cross winds / its has got less front break/ sapres are costly/ it doesnt make roaring sound like a 220 (which I too like)/ roll on is less- you got to change gears often to get the real fun/ Karizma is old (but still competative enough ) because these are the facts
and I accept it.These things doesnt bother me much becuse all these havent given me any major problems so far. Not every one likes to hear bad things about their bike they own or love and are not ready to accept the truth, hence all these ego clash here.
After all we all love to ride! Thats more important!

And regarding test drive , better take a friends bike for test drive. If you are gonna ride less 80-90 there is no reason one will not love the 220. It will defintely impress you with out any doubt and so do I. Post that is also you must test in both bikes - and feel youself upto 120. Yes there is a speedo error on ZMA by a 5-8km (heared in new 220 also there is some error). So you should take the ZMA to a higher speed of 125-128. See how both bikes performs in city conditions /Good raods and bad roads / a few twisties and take a call.

To add to confusion If you could wait for ZMR/new fazer for a month would be good. Since you own a bike now, you may not be in much hurry to get a new one, just a thought.

I have no special interset to any manufacture, but I support the bike which satisfy me more in this case HH. I would buy a Bajaj only when I feel thats the bike. Right now I am looking forward for a Bigger Yamaha because FZ impressed me a lot than 220/ZMA in many aspects (Sorry for the OT ).

i want to tell you that . i am owning p220 fi and my friend is owning zma . when i ride both the bikes . its like both bikes have their unique taste of riding
and yeah! p220 having the modern technology . but if p220 is king , zma is prince. and i think it is very important for hero honda to equip some modern technologies.

go for fastest Indian !!

Dude, both of them are amazing piece of machinery and also proven tourers and both don't trouble the rider much in anyways. See pulsar is cheaper in service where as Zma ia a bit on the higher side. In the same way, pulsar is a torquey machine where as there is a slight offset in zma, not that it completely lacks the attitude but a little bit what the fastest indian has. As far as the Techno and gizmos concerned u know better that 220 is much better than zma and finally when u come to engine refinement, then i would always say go for zma. Finally it's u whose gonna have her for years, so go ahead compare both of these, take a test drive of both and just go with what ur heart says. U wont regret cos both are absolute beauties!

What is modern tech about P220 ? and what is not modern tech about Zma ?

Tubeless tyres
Digital Speedo
Projector headlamps
Oil Cooler
Led Taillamps that are brighter and more reliable
A convenient Engine kill-switch for ease at redlights
Rear Disk
Roll-on Sensor [not sure ?]
backlit handlebar switches
self-cancelling turn signals
Auto -Choke
Steel Braided Brake lines

All this for Cheaper Than ZMa

1. Internet resources on tubeless tyres applies mostly to cars on freeways/autobhans, due to friction b/w tube and inner tyrewall, the tube will burst and cause accidents (may happen at cars at 100mph+). On bikes it's good on mountain bikes b'cos tubeless run well with less pressure and provides traction. For normal commuting like most indian bikes tubeless has not yet proved that it's cutting edge tech./convinience yet. One more myth is tubeless tyres don't get flat too often as tubed once which is wrong !! Anyways, it's a selling feature morethan anything else!!

2. Hahah Analogue are costlier than digital(chinese/Taiwan make), Analogue are practical and user freindly too. Did you think digital speedo on Pulsar is better than one on Hunk/Uni...??

3. My pals' P220 beam twisted after he accidentally ran over a pot hole (bit sensitive alignment) Anyway projector light is good one.

4. OK, it's said it maintains optimum viscosity, tell me what is use of optimum viscosity ? does it make engine NVH lesser, does it really make engine cooler, does it make anything good please explain.

5. Right, HH should get it, but bulbs are not something 'useless' !!

6. That's not modern dude, I think many bikes/mopeds older than me had kill switch.

7. More of equipment than stopping power (on P220), drum on Zma isn't bad, it stops when applied with front disc well.

8. what's that

9. Foolish feature, dunno how many forget the switch function on their thumbs ? May be helpful for Alzheimer's diseased riders, who forget often !!

10. It's useless according to me (Features added merely to sell/fool).

11. Till now choke meant convinience during cold start, but Auto-choke on P220 is a more of nuisance, as per ownership experience. No complaint on millions of ordinary chokes.

12. Zma brakes are awesome with whatever cable it has !!

13. DTSFi failed inspite of being launched like '8th wonder of the world', with many "first in India" features. Zma is in market since 6 years and is increasing in popularity with every passing month.

Bikers are increasingly looking for 'real stuff' like good reliable engine, smooth gear box, reliable bike/brand than features and hype around them. In fact Zma is becoming famous b'cos of weak/bad competition.

Anyways, tried to answer your doubts/questions.

@ vipin_s - all your useless arguments have been Factually corrected by abhijeet080808 . you asked what is newer tech in P220 than ZMa and all my points are right . you are a HH fan to the point of foolishness .

I wonder now that New ZMR will come with digi speedo ,Led tail lamps ,Kill switch ,rear disk ,tubeless[not sure] will you also call these features useless or will you find them useful since now they are from Hero Honda .

And how is the P220Fi a flop ? how is the Zma sales increasing every month ? any sales nos. by any source ? if no then your point is Baseless .

Zma is good .P220 Dtsi is better . Accept the facts

You know Vipin, it is time you started backing off. We all know that for you Zma is the ultimate machine in this country. We have heard it Umpteen times. But please back off.

I am not a Bajaj fan. And I will NOT vote for a Zma over a P220. But I will not say Zma is crap like you seem to be doing in most of your posts against Bajaj. I have faced LOTS of problems with Zma that I do not talk about. I have had very little problems with 220 that I do not talk about either. I hope you get the drift.

I wish you got a little more broader in your thinking and vision and start accepting that there are other manufacturers who are not just a bunch of idiots like you make them out to be.

Please practice restraint in your posts and try and be tolerant. I know it is not going to be easy for someone like you. But you can give it a try. Take it easy. We do want to keep a certain decorum. And you are not making it any easier for us.

2. Sorry I just got carried away by numerous OT posts, ,..hmmm may be my english sounds bit harsh, I shall restrain in future. xbhp can be a place of constructive criticism (with a pinch of honesty)
1. FYI, I'm not a lone Zma lover.....If either Sunny Sir or Bunny Sir says "P220 is overall better product than Zma", I shall quit xbhp...bets.

No hard feelings though

In the midst of this P220-Zma war,where's the thread starter?...Hope he'd have chosen one by now.Or did he go completely crazy looking at these posts?...

both these bike r equally good zma in terms of engine smoothness and 220 in terms of performance but ZMA has proved itself for many years that it's the perfect package and 220 is yet to do that

I really do NOT care what Sunny or Bunny says. I really do not care whether Zma is THOUSAND TIMES better than 220 or any other Bajaj product. I am talking about the way you take it out personally with the other members with scant respect for them.

Oh yes, I forgot, I have seldom heard either Bunny or Sunny talk to other members the way you do.

If I receive further complaints about you in the future, I will be generous in handing you infractions! The Mods' inboxes are quite full of complaints about the way you target a particular product. It is rather strange that is you so often. There are other Zma owners also on site.

It would not cost you much to exercise restraint as I said earlier.