[NEWS INDIA]: TVS to launch revised Apache RTR - Page 3 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

payeng · 11-06-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Samarth 619

But yes, RTR has bigger problems like

riding position with tall guys,

not the fastest Indian yet..

etc.

Exactly, more than the vibrations to the "common public" the RTR has issues with cramped riding position for tall/well built guys (but that also gives the Apache RTR a USP as a compact sporty bike)..

..and even with all the promotion of "Racing DNA", somehow the in the minds of customers "outside xBhp", image associated with the Apache RTR brand is not that strong as compared to the Pulsar (thanks to the initial "Definitely Male" image and the very recent P220 "fastest Indian" Image) or the Yamaha R15 (the Racing Instinct machine).

Samarth 619 · 11-06-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowspunk

am sorry but you are wrong. ride a fz or p180 or rtr at 100 and zma or p220 at 100. you will know the difference. I owned a fz before and a P220 now. the fairing is such a boon during touring.

bikini fairings are not fairings per se. and almost all our bikes are naked bikes. excepting a few.

Windblast-wise, yes, you're right that 220 will fare better than FZ.

BUT, I really think that Windblast comfort AND Performance from Aerodynamics are 2 different things. Ok, P220F might save you some windblast, but what about performance compared to a bikini fairing?

Or in other words, do you want to say that P220 naked is less performing than P220F? I don't think so.

And secondly, you show that FZ(naked) and P180(bikini fairing) are the same category in Aerodynamics? Sure?

vineshp · 11-07-2011, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by payeng

The "vibrations" of the Apache RTR is something which is blown out of proportion at xBhp.

I have never come across any normal guy/biker who rejects the Apache RTR becuase of it vibrations.

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Originally Posted by saipranav

+1
didnt find any difference between how my friends fz vibrates and how my bike vibrates, even the fz owners agrees to that.

The vibration problem is indeed blown out of proportion, this problem is imilar to the pulsars supposedly bad quality problem... it all depends upon the nut that connects the saddle to the handlebar, if not maintained properly, even a ninja/ducati will vibrate

^^ +1 to above..
As a RTR 180-ABS owner done 1400Kms, vibrations are not an issue. Previously I had a Yamaha Libero and I don't find RTR vibrating more than the Yammie.

The USP of RTR are: excellent throttle response, exhaust note, brakes,etc., and for anyone buying Apache vibration is never a problem.

yellowspunk · 11-07-2011, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by saipranav

+1

I bought my apache on july 1st 2010 and joined xbhp somewhere between march and may 2011...
Until i joined xbhp, i never heard any of my friends complain about the mysterious vibrations problem, i personally liked the fz but went for A180 for its power and didnt find any difference between how my friends fz vibrates and how my bike vibrates, even the fz owners agrees to that.

The vibration problem is indeed blown out of proportion, this problem is imilar to the pulsars supposedly bad quality problem... it all depends upon the nut that connects the saddle to the handlebar, if not maintained properly, even a ninja/ducati will vibrate

That is why i said this "or for that matter a old rtr,cbr,pulsar guy in a new rtr,cbr,pulsar or vice versa and they will all go

"

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Originally Posted by Samarth 619

Windblast-wise, yes, you're right that 220 will fare better than FZ.

BUT, I really think that Windblast comfort AND Performance from Aerodynamics are 2 different things. Ok, P220F might save you some windblast, but what about performance compared to a bikini fairing?

Or in other words, do you want to say that P220 naked is less performing than P220F? I don't think so.

And secondly, you show that FZ(naked) and P180(bikini fairing) are the same category in Aerodynamics? Sure?

How is comfort and performance not related to aerodynamics? what else is aerodynamics for in a bike? Do you understand what is aerodynamics?

So doing 250kmph on a R1 without fairing would be as comfortable as a faired R1 and you would yield better performance cause of loss of weight? what about the drag your body generates as speed increases?

at 100kmph it doesnt make much of a difference whether you ride a naked or semi or fully faired bike.. but above 100kmph you will see their benefits.

Yes P180, FZ16, RTR, Discover, Splendour etc etc are all naked bikes. if you call the P180 a faired bike then even a ducati monster, a true blue naked, is a faired bike. lol if it doesnt protect you from the wind it doesnt make any difference whatsoever.

This is going off topic. I shall stop here. Hope this link helps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_fairing

Satyamzma · 11-07-2011, 09:21 AM

I want Tvs to make such refined machine that even Honda & Yamaha become shy of their Bikes...Come on TVS...show your technology to the World..

payeng · 11-07-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Satyamzma

I want Tvs to make such refined machine that even Honda & Yamaha become shy of their Bikes...Come on TVS...show your technology to the World..

Would you then buy a TVS then?

Satyamzma · 11-07-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by payeng

Would you then buy a TVS then?

hmmm That's a tricky Question my Friend

payeng · 11-07-2011, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Satyamzma

hmmm That's a tricky Question my Friend

I know the answer.. and TVS knows it too.
In that case, why should TVS bother?

Sarvajit · 11-07-2011, 11:07 AM

TVS bikes actually used to be very refined. My 2004 Fiero F2 with 58K kms. on the odo still vibrates less than an RTR. Really donno why!

payeng · 11-07-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarvajit

TVS bikes actually used to be very refined. My 2004 Fiero F2 with 58K kms. on the odo still vibrates less than an RTR. Really donno why!

The Fiero was a Suzuki design.. it had a long stroke engine.. and like a typical Suzuki engine it was butter smooth.

The Apache RTR although based on that same engine casing, is a TVS developed engine.. it has a short stroke engine.

In the transformation from the Fiero to Apache, the engine lost its smoothness.

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