Kawasaki Ninja 650R or Hyosung GT650R - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

JAKRAP · 08-09-2010, 07:13 AM

Firstly am not sure if this is a superbike question..But am just posting it here because of the number of CCs involved

.

Well have been thinking of a 500+cc bike for high speed touring purposes and since there is a limited option available in India at the moment except a VFR1200 which is undoubtedly unaffordable

. Currently own a Ninja 250R which is being used for high speed touring and an Enfield Electra 5s for any other purpose

.

Was looking for an allrounder bike (high speeds near 200 kmph and which could be used for offroading purposes when required, may be a trip to Ladakh

)

Hrd the news that both Hyosung and Kawasaki are bringing their 650s into India which can be used for commuting/touring/wee bit of racing and moderate to complete offroading (without the fairings, ofcourse

).

Believe that these bikes can be used for a wider range of purposes namely commuting, touring, off-roading and may be a lil bit of racing

, than the supersports available.

Have been gathering some info on both bikes on the specs for that ultimate search of a powerful ALLROUNDER Bike

and this is what i got.

Ninja 650R produces 72bhp and Hyosung GT650R produces 82 (yes 82, 2009 model is 79).

Hyosung is priced USD 6200 and Ninja costs USD 7200 in USA whereas in UK its GBP 5200 and 5500 respectively.

ABS is an optional feature on the Ninja too. Comes for an extra USD 500/GBP 500.

The GT650 is a v-twin whereas the Ninja is a parallel twin. Since the price for both is not known, presume it would be in favor of Hyosung any day though the margin of favor would be known only later.

1) Since nothing stops like a KAWASAKI, the Hysoung brakes are a big question mark?

2) Am unable to find reliable 0-60,0-100 and quartermile times for the Hyosung but in bike forums ppl do say that performance figures of both the bikes are identical thou Hysoung enjoys a slighly higher top speed. How can the performance of a GT650R be identical to the Ninja650R when it produces an extra 10 (previously 7)ponies???
Infact the GT650R has a wet weight of 215 while the Ninja is a modest 205 kgs.Would that be a probable reason???

3) If the bike is faired, does the fairing just be removed to do offroading. Would there be a worry on the radiator fins getting damaged etc. How different would be the 650R/GT650R different from the ER6N/GT650 except for the fairings?

4) Also would the parallel twins give better mileage than the V-twins

Aryan · 08-09-2010, 09:53 AM

Topic Moved and Approved.

These two bikes still have some time before they are officially launched in India. I guess, after they are launched, it'll be much more clear as to which would be a better investment - the Kawasaki or the Hyosung.

Meanwhile, going simply by the brands, I would prefer the Japanese any-day.

jd666 · 08-09-2010, 10:03 AM

i would prefer the kawi over the hyo any day. because its just a better brand.

I can answer these -

Am unable to find reliable 0-60,0-100 and quartermile times for the Hyosung but in bike forums ppl do say that performance figures of both the bikes are identical thou Hysoung enjoys a slighly higher top speed. How can the performance of a GT650R be identical to the Ninja650R when it produces an extra 10 (previously 7)ponies???
Infact the GT650R has a wet weight of 215 while the Ninja is a modest 205 kgs.Would that be a probable reason??? - Could be, also the power delivery of a twin is slightly different from a inline ( though theoretically the angle between the cylinders is different only, the torque curve will vary for both )

3) If the bike is faired, does the fairing just be removed to do offroading. Would there be a worry on the radiator fins getting damaged etc. How different would be the 650R/GT650R different from the ER6N/GT650 except for the fairings?

- It wont be as simple as that. You need to factor in parameters like ground clearance, suspension travel at the front and rear ( since a road bike will have much stiffer suspension and lesser travel, as compared to a off-roading bike )

4) Also would the parallel twins give better mileage than the V-twins - Not too sure, but comparable, yes.

- Go for something like the CRF225 or something, if available there, great reliable engine, good off-roading capabilities, and has enough grunt to do enough highway as well, with luggage. Or something in a higher capacity. But take a on-off roader with enough grunt for this purpose.

trustvishwas · 08-10-2010, 06:03 PM

Hello Jakrap. Just now saw your query.

1. Kawasaki 650 is like a tractor. The firing sounds as a cross between 250R and a bullet. This is a commuter / poser bike. Commuter because - No clip ons, no split seat and normal seating position. Poser because - It looks good and rides pathetic. Good for riders who just want to own a big cc bike.

If bajaj launches this, the pricing will be around 5.5 - 5.75 Lakhs.

This one will no way ride around 200 kmph but you can take it to Ladakh without any problem. That actually you can do on your 250R. Lots of riders have done Ladakh ride this year on R15.

Hyosung can't be compared with any japanese brand. Remember its earlier models? Their pathetic build quality? Also they have teamed up with Garware. Have you heard of this group? What credentials both have in India?

I know, I have not provided answers to your questions but felt like sharing my thoughts. BTW, when are you coming back?

Sarvajit · 08-11-2010, 10:29 AM

Commuting-Ninja 650.
Touring on smooth highways-both (Ninja 650 will again be stressfree due to the upright posture)
Offroading-Ninja 650 anyday. I can't expect the Hyosung to take it well due to the race inclined clip ons&GC of 130mm.
Brand value-again Ninja 650.

All in all, for the kind of usage you are looking for, I think the Ninja 650 is the right thing for you.
Buy the Hyosung if you have a tight budget, and are intending to use your bike only for highway riding.

darkknight · 08-11-2010, 10:57 AM

whoever has test ridden the ninja 650 doesn't have too much good to say about it.
but it may also because during the same time better bikes( that which won't be coming soon ) were ridden & probable reason for the opinion

a gt650 r would be in the price range of 4-4.25 (source :bikeindia)
whose top speed is in the range of 200 kmph

braking on both bikes lacks the capability which is even much better in the 250r i.e both the 650s give sorta soggy feeling

build quality of ninja is better than gt650 & so is the probable cost by a lack more.

wait & watch is the name of the game that which many of us have been doing for the past coupla years

aargee · 08-11-2010, 11:10 AM

Who services Ninja 650R - Bajaj PBK
Who services GT650? - That's my question

So buying a bike is one time affair, taking care of it is lifetime & as of now we've good feedback from PBK guys servicing Ninja 250R, or atleast, has some experience to service/escalate. What about GT650? Earlier the tie up was with Kinetic who's been taken over by Mahindra. So does M&M provide service for GT650? I doubt.

Hyperion · 08-11-2010, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAKRAP

Was looking for an allrounder bike (high speeds near 200 kmph and which could be used for offroading purposes when required, may be a trip to Ladakh

)

Hrd the news that both Hyosung and Kawasaki are bringing their 650s into India which can be used for commuting/touring/wee bit of racing and moderate to complete offroading (without the fairings, ofcourse

).

The Hyosung is bike in the supersports mould , more so than the Ninja, due to low set handlebars. Its for riders who want to own a true supersports but cant afford one.

You can't just remove fairings and take it Ladakh. The fairing is not just for aesthetics and is there for a reason. It protects your bikes internals (sensors, cooling system).
These things are designed differently in naked bikes taking into consideration the lack of fairing. If you want to take a powerful bike to Ladakh, buy the Duc Monster. Its air cooled and naked , no hassle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight

whoever has test ridden the ninja 650 doesn't have too much good to say about it.
but it may also because during the same time better bikes( that which won't be coming soon ) were ridden & probable reason for the opinion

a gt650 r would be in the price range of 4-4.25 (source :bikeindia)
whose top speed is in the range of 200 kmph

braking on both bikes lacks the capability which is even evident in the 250r i.e they give sorta soggy feeling

Have to strongly disagree with you there, DK. The brakes on the Ninja blow every other bike in India out of the water. I can comment after having to slow down from 150 kph in a jiffy.

darkknight · 08-11-2010, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hyperion

Have to strongly disagree with you there, DK. The brakes on the Ninja blow every other bike in India out of the water. I can comment after having to slow down from 150 kph in a jiffy.

ok.based on heresay only

from whoever rode it

meaning the 650r
& obviously not the 250.
*hmmm-looks at the post & wrong construction of sentece used.I meant 650r is not better & 250r is excellent*

edits the post

niks_devil666 · 08-11-2010, 03:02 PM

Unless the price diff is huge or the performance of both are poles apart , Ninja should be the obvious choice.

Although , I am no fan of the 650r ... and ER6n should be better than ER6f.

08-09-2010, 07:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
JAKRAP Passion w/o Emotion Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: On Earth (currently in Singapore) Posts: 288	Kawasaki Ninja 650R or Hyosung GT650R Firstly am not sure if this is a superbike question..But am just posting it here because of the number of CCs involved. Well have been thinking of a 500+cc bike for high speed touring purposes and since there is a limited option available in India at the moment except a VFR1200 which is undoubtedly unaffordable. Currently own a Ninja 250R which is being used for high speed touring and an Enfield Electra 5s for any other purpose. Was looking for an allrounder bike (high speeds near 200 kmph and which could be used for offroading purposes when required, may be a trip to Ladakh) Hrd the news that both Hyosung and Kawasaki are bringing their 650s into India which can be used for commuting/touring/wee bit of racing and moderate to complete offroading (without the fairings, ofcourse). Believe that these bikes can be used for a wider range of purposes namely commuting, touring, off-roading and may be a lil bit of racing , than the supersports available. Have been gathering some info on both bikes on the specs for that ultimate search of a powerful ALLROUNDER Bike and this is what i got. Ninja 650R produces 72bhp and Hyosung GT650R produces 82 (yes 82, 2009 model is 79). Hyosung is priced USD 6200 and Ninja costs USD 7200 in USA whereas in UK its GBP 5200 and 5500 respectively. ABS is an optional feature on the Ninja too. Comes for an extra USD 500/GBP 500. The GT650 is a v-twin whereas the Ninja is a parallel twin. Since the price for both is not known, presume it would be in favor of Hyosung any day though the margin of favor would be known only later. 1) Since nothing stops like a KAWASAKI, the Hysoung brakes are a big question mark? 2) Am unable to find reliable 0-60,0-100 and quartermile times for the Hyosung but in bike forums ppl do say that performance figures of both the bikes are identical thou Hysoung enjoys a slighly higher top speed. How can the performance of a GT650R be identical to the Ninja650R when it produces an extra 10 (previously 7)ponies??? Infact the GT650R has a wet weight of 215 while the Ninja is a modest 205 kgs.Would that be a probable reason??? 3) If the bike is faired, does the fairing just be removed to do offroading. Would there be a worry on the radiator fins getting damaged etc. How different would be the 650R/GT650R different from the ER6N/GT650 except for the fairings? 4) Also would the parallel twins give better mileage than the V-twins __________________ http://www.californiasuperbikeschoolindia.blogspot.com http://www.married2dabike.blogspot.com The only two "PURE" experiences in life are"SINGLE MALT" and "BIKING".

08-09-2010, 09:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
Aryan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Delhi/ Shillong Posts: 18,274	Topic Moved and Approved. These two bikes still have some time before they are officially launched in India. I guess, after they are launched, it'll be much more clear as to which would be a better investment - the Kawasaki or the Hyosung. Meanwhile, going simply by the brands, I would prefer the Japanese any-day. __________________ ...in search of that perfect world - My Travel Blog :)

08-09-2010, 10:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
jd666 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gurgaon/Faridabad Posts: 3,390	i would prefer the kawi over the hyo any day. because its just a better brand. I can answer these - Am unable to find reliable 0-60,0-100 and quartermile times for the Hyosung but in bike forums ppl do say that performance figures of both the bikes are identical thou Hysoung enjoys a slighly higher top speed. How can the performance of a GT650R be identical to the Ninja650R when it produces an extra 10 (previously 7)ponies??? Infact the GT650R has a wet weight of 215 while the Ninja is a modest 205 kgs.Would that be a probable reason??? - Could be, also the power delivery of a twin is slightly different from a inline ( though theoretically the angle between the cylinders is different only, the torque curve will vary for both ) 3) If the bike is faired, does the fairing just be removed to do offroading. Would there be a worry on the radiator fins getting damaged etc. How different would be the 650R/GT650R different from the ER6N/GT650 except for the fairings? - It wont be as simple as that. You need to factor in parameters like ground clearance, suspension travel at the front and rear ( since a road bike will have much stiffer suspension and lesser travel, as compared to a off-roading bike ) 4) Also would the parallel twins give better mileage than the V-twins - Not too sure, but comparable, yes. - Go for something like the CRF225 or something, if available there, great reliable engine, good off-roading capabilities, and has enough grunt to do enough highway as well, with luggage. Or something in a higher capacity. But take a on-off roader with enough grunt for this purpose. __________________ My offerings to the gods of speed - - KTM Duke 200 - Yamaha RXZ 5 speed

08-10-2010, 06:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
trustvishwas Senior biker learning to ride Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 2,432	Hello Jakrap. Just now saw your query. 1. Kawasaki 650 is like a tractor. The firing sounds as a cross between 250R and a bullet. This is a commuter / poser bike. Commuter because - No clip ons, no split seat and normal seating position. Poser because - It looks good and rides pathetic. Good for riders who just want to own a big cc bike. If bajaj launches this, the pricing will be around 5.5 - 5.75 Lakhs. This one will no way ride around 200 kmph but you can take it to Ladakh without any problem. That actually you can do on your 250R. Lots of riders have done Ladakh ride this year on R15. Hyosung can't be compared with any japanese brand. Remember its earlier models? Their pathetic build quality? Also they have teamed up with Garware. Have you heard of this group? What credentials both have in India? I know, I have not provided answers to your questions but felt like sharing my thoughts. BTW, when are you coming back? __________________ Check out my travelogue - Ladakh Ride 2010 Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

08-11-2010, 10:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
Sarvajit バイカ　ボイズ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 5,073	Commuting-Ninja 650. Touring on smooth highways-both (Ninja 650 will again be stressfree due to the upright posture) Offroading-Ninja 650 anyday. I can't expect the Hyosung to take it well due to the race inclined clip ons&GC of 130mm. Brand value-again Ninja 650. All in all, for the kind of usage you are looking for, I think the Ninja 650 is the right thing for you. Buy the Hyosung if you have a tight budget, and are intending to use your bike only for highway riding. __________________ Quench my thirst with gasoline!

08-11-2010, 10:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
darkknight RAJE Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Panvel , Navi Mumbai Posts: 3,352	whoever has test ridden the ninja 650 doesn't have too much good to say about it. but it may also because during the same time better bikes( that which won't be coming soon ) were ridden & probable reason for the opinion a gt650 r would be in the price range of 4-4.25 (source :bikeindia) whose top speed is in the range of 200 kmph braking on both bikes lacks the capability which is even much better in the 250r i.e both the 650s give sorta soggy feeling build quality of ninja is better than gt650 & so is the probable cost by a lack more. wait & watch is the name of the game that which many of us have been doing for the past coupla years __________________ Last edited by darkknight; 08-11-2010 at 12:04 PM.

08-11-2010, 11:10 AM	#7 (permalink)
aargee My world changed from smoke & 2T to ECM & 4 joke!! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chennai Posts: 8,013	Who services Ninja 650R - Bajaj PBK Who services GT650? - That's my question So buying a bike is one time affair, taking care of it is lifetime & as of now we've good feedback from PBK guys servicing Ninja 250R, or atleast, has some experience to service/escalate. What about GT650? Earlier the tie up was with Kinetic who's been taken over by Mahindra. So does M&M provide service for GT650? I doubt. __________________ Patience pays...The Vulture's virtue is patience and the bird always get it's food - Wise man saying This is not a bakery. I don't sugar coat anything. If you ask for my opinion...then that's what you'll get. Don't be mad when it's not what you want to hear Last edited by aargee; 08-11-2010 at 01:44 PM. Reason: Correcting GT250 to GT650

08-11-2010, 03:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
niks_devil666 Impulsed Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Local Area Network Posts: 2,065	Unless the price diff is huge or the performance of both are poles apart , Ninja should be the obvious choice. Although , I am no fan of the 650r ... and ER6n should be better than ER6f. __________________ The Moto Cafe - India's first bike theme cafe @ Chandni Chowk The Moto Cafe video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XztkK4ej2U My Youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/niksdevil666

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