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  • #46
    Originally posted by cool_dude_sunn_y View Post
    Flicking a 650R is a dream and handling is exactly like my CBZ.
    Surprised at this statement of yours.... it cant be better than r6/r1 or any other super sport. [and I believe your comparison is with only these two since u rode these for quite some time]

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    • #47
      Originally posted by cool_dude_sunn_y View Post

      I have owned a 650R for 2 Years now and a R1 for 4 months, in addition i have ridden 3 different R6 for a pretty long period.

      R6 is a high rev bike and an inline 4, it is no comparison to a 650R and 650R is faster till 100 miles/hr coz it is low rev and has amazing mid level torque.

      Flicking a 650R is a dream and handling is exactly like my CBZ.
      Are you really talking about the R6 as in made by Yamaha?

      R6 specs are -
      0 - 60 mph - 3.31 sec.
      0 - 100 mph - 6.57 sec.

      650R specs are -
      0 - 60 mph - 3.84 sec.
      0 - 100 mph - 10.95 sec.

      I totally agree with you that the handling of 650r is exactly like your CBZ. (outclassed and outdated)
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      • #48
        hey jakrap, have you ridden the hyosung comet GT 250 back to back with your ninja then you know the answer which is the good deal, i agree hyosung wins hands down in the city traffic due to the torque, but on highways once you rip the bike you start loosing confidence and thats where the ninja wins, again as someone has questioned today there are many comet in India but people are not getting the spares availability and other issues are there, there is no surety that hyosung will stay in the Indian market for long after launching their 650, but Kawasaki is here to stay, and again we have the PBK backed up showrooms for ninja so the best bet in india would be the kawasaki 650 RR.

        Again you are gonna use the bike in pune and i doubt there are any service centers for hyosung bikes.

        Take your call, all the best

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        • #49
          Discussing Ninja 650r and Hyosung 650r is quite irrelevant right now, as I see it.

          Neither Kawasaki nor Hyosung have officially announced any launch date or pricing for their respective 650cc machines. Their future launch in the Indian market is still quite uncertain because their will definitely be an obstacle during homologation as their engine capacities are bellow 800cc. For the same reason Ducati has now stopped importing their Monster 696 ("homologation issues" - as Ducati Gurgaon showroom guys put it)& have introduced the new Monster 796 (actually 803cc) in India.

          It will be more appropriate to discuss these bikes after and official announcement of launch date & pricing.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by nitinsen View Post
            Discussing Ninja 650r and Hyosung 650r is quite irrelevant right now, as I see it.

            Neither Kawasaki nor Hyosung have officially announced any launch date or pricing for their respective 650cc machines. Their future launch in the Indian market is still quite uncertain because their will definitely be an obstacle during homologation as their engine capacities are bellow 800cc. For the same reason Ducati has now stopped importing their Monster 696 ("homologation issues" - as Ducati Gurgaon showroom guys put it)& have introduced the new Monster 796 (actually 803cc) in India.

            It will be more appropriate to discuss these bikes after and official announcement of launch date & pricing.
            Both these companies are not planning on importing these bikes so there is no issue about homologation. They will be imported as CKD / SKD (as in 250r), assembled and sold in India.

            In fact, Kawasaki has launched their Indian company just for this purpose.

            There is no ban on importing CKD / SKD.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by JAKRAP View Post
              To all those whomsoever to it may concern ...am a POOR man (Read "NOT" TENHUT ). I have no income from other "sources" and i dont have the money to buy either the Ducati 696 or the CB1000 or the Bandit. If I do that, my folks might put a contract on me. THe max is a 650R/GT650R (5.5) before I sign the lifelong contract .
              Do intend to raise around 35% of the capital requirements for the 650R by selling my existing Ninja 250R. If the bike can do a ladakh another 10% of the capital would be raised by selling my existing Enfield too!

              The litre dream would be waiting till I am around 35 and provided i get the necessary clearances and i have the money (hopefully the duty too might come down) at that time.
              You spoke my mind buddy, in a year or two i too shall be tied down and even I am wanting to have a screaming in-line which shall beat the shit out of most Cars on roads(in performance & no street racing). My budget too is somewhere around 5K.

              I have this in my mind & hope Suzie launches it & it should be within the budget, else there always is a 1000RR (am a huge Honda fan though & banks have very tight security cordon, may be we need to go the Dhoom way*)
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              • #52
                Actually all 4 cyl 600-800 cc bikes are beauties but I thank god that companies have yet not launched any of them. I would have to explain family why I want to buy another expensive bike.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by cool_dude_sunn_y View Post
                  I have one and in-spite of riding R6 & R1 for quite some time i am still sticking with my 650R.

                  You have to experience the torque of a 650R, take it for a spin, race it with a R6 and the likes and then decide which one you want to own

                  FYI 650R can easily beat a R6 till 100m/hr
                  Breaking is amazingly Rock-Solid. Better than any other bike in the same class.
                  Originally posted by cool_dude_sunn_y View Post
                  I have owned a 650R for 2 Years now and a R1 for 4 months, in addition i have ridden 3 different R6 for a pretty long period.
                  * When i commented about the braking, i did not include R1.
                  (but included R6 ? I hope.)
                  Ninja 650R is a Sport Bike.
                  R6 is a high rev bike and an inline 4, it is no comparison to a 650R and 650R is faster till 100 miles/hr coz it is low rev and has amazing mid level torque. R1 then again is a total different ball game, R1 is low rev and an amazing bike but it cannot be ridden everyday some 50 miles without feeling tired.
                  Flicking a 650R is a dream and handling is exactly like my CBZ.
                  Last edited by TenHut; 08-16-2010, 05:56 PM.
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                  when i ride bullet before my bullet was solid condition but i once race with a Ceilo car and my engine size. mechancic say bullet is good bike but no racing. it is good for three people and very powerful.
                  one day when i become rich i but ducati and then I race with cars. not now.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by cool_dude_sunn_y View Post
                    @Vishwas: he he.. How to trust you buddy! Seems like you indeed rode a bullet with a Ninja 650R sticker on it

                    > It is a Sports Bike and not Super Sport! Hence no clip ons.
                    > It rides amazing thats why people buy it for its touring abilites. I have one and in-spite of riding R6 & R1 for quite some time i am still sticking with my 650R.
                    >I have myself touched 215 km/hr (135m/hr) and it still had some juice left. The speedo tops at 140m/hr. My bike is stock, i haven't even changed the muffler. Was using a Two Brother Exhaust but then it was too loud.

                    You have to experience the torque of a 650R, take it for a spin, race it with a R6 and the likes and then decide which one you want to own

                    FYI 650R can easily beat a R6 till 100m/hr and then off-course extra money pays off

                    Breaking is amazingly Rock-Solid. Better than any other bike in the same class.

                    A week back went with one of my friend who wanted to buy a 250R. It was 2009 model, just 1000 miles. I took it for a spin and felt like i was riding my CBZ back home
                    God why oh why do you allow ppl like these on high powered bikes...why why why
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                    • #55
                      I think Hyosung should be given a chance ! I too read somewhere that they used to supply engines to Suzuki for quite a loong time. Dont bash up the Hyosung...the Japs were equally bashed in the 1970s and 1980s for their quality and look where they r today !
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                      when i ride bullet before my bullet was solid condition but i once race with a Ceilo car and my engine size. mechancic say bullet is good bike but no racing. it is good for three people and very powerful.
                      one day when i become rich i but ducati and then I race with cars. not now.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by phoenixflight View Post
                        God why oh why do you allow ppl like these on high powered bikes...why why why
                        Your caesar must be faster than your phoenix because low rev machines are faster than high revving machines.
                        Last edited by trustvishwas; 08-16-2010, 06:20 PM.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by TenHut View Post
                          I think Hyosung should be given a chance ! I too read somewhere that they used to supply engines to Suzuki for quite a loong time. Dont bash up the Hyosung...the Japs were equally bashed in the 1970s and 1980s for their quality and look where they r today !
                          i think the GT-650 R an affordable super-sport just suited for Indian bikers & road/traffic conditions. do not compare it with the Kawasaki 650 or the R-6, as the quality always comes with a price. the pricing of the GT-650 R is very tempting for what its offering regarding power & torque. the initial & mid range torque is well suited for Indian conditions, unless one takes it to the track. altogether its a wonderful sports tourer.
                          Last edited by frankpilli; 08-16-2010, 07:30 PM.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by trustvishwas View Post
                            The best way for you would be to take your ninja 250r to Ladakh first and then sale it off.
                            Yeah..if i take it to Leh..I would have to sell it off there and return by foot

                            Originally posted by trustvishwas View Post
                            Are you really talking about the R6 as in made by Yamaha?

                            R6 specs are -
                            0 - 60 mph - 3.31 sec.
                            0 - 100 mph - 6.57 sec.

                            650R specs are -
                            0 - 60 mph - 3.84 sec.
                            0 - 100 mph - 10.95 sec.

                            I totally agree with you that the handling of 650r is exactly like your CBZ. (outclassed and outdated)
                            Vishwas, Many Many returns for the day.. BTw it coincides with the Indpendence day!!

                            Please dont bash up the 650R..Poor souls do need to own their super bikes too (I know its not a superbike but still)
                            One idea that has occured in my mind is to buy the GT650R in lavish red. (The bike looks gorgeous) put an Arrow slip on and then put a ducati sticker on it . Just like a fake ferrari with those pontiac fiero engines!Talk abt posers

                            Proabably the guy meant 100kmph not 100 mph. I have hear that it can get quicker off the line than most 600s till around 50-60mph. But after that you are one big sitting duck waiting to be toasted!



                            Originally posted by shrinathrao View Post
                            hey jakrap, have you ridden the hyosung comet GT 250 back to back with your ninja then you know the answer which is the good deal, i agree hyosung wins hands down in the city traffic due to the torque, but on highways once you rip the bike you start loosing confidence and thats where the ninja wins, again as someone has questioned today there are many comet in India but people are not getting the spares availability and other issues are there, there is no surety that hyosung will stay in the Indian market for long after launching their 650, but Kawasaki is here to stay, and again we have the PBK backed up showrooms for ninja so the best bet in india would be the kawasaki 650 RR.

                            Again you are gonna use the bike in pune and i doubt there are any service centers for hyosung bikes.

                            Take your call, all the best
                            Shrinath, Hyosung has upped the ante in the last 3-4 years. More like a Hyundai in the US market initally. Got bashed initally for low build quality but now giving a run for the money. Yes ofcourse, the A.S.S is the major worry as of now and the build quality.

                            Originally posted by TenHut View Post
                            I think Hyosung should be given a chance ! I too read somewhere that they used to supply engines to Suzuki for quite a loong time. Dont bash up the Hyosung...the Japs were equally bashed in the 1970s and 1980s for their quality and look where they r today !
                            Tenhut, Yes they have almost three decades of experience in making suzuki engines. IN fact it is an ex-suzuki team who designed the suzuki 650 that makes the GT650R. They are becoming more and more good at it! Infact happened to see one in flesh and i was impressed by the beauty. Its a real beauty. It would infact make the Blade jealous (only in look terms)



                            Originally posted by nitinsen View Post
                            Discussing Ninja 650r and Hyosung 650r is quite irrelevant right now, as I see it.

                            Neither Kawasaki nor Hyosung have officially announced any launch date or pricing for their respective 650cc machines. Their future launch in the Indian market is still quite uncertain because their will definitely be an obstacle during homologation as their engine capacities are bellow 800cc. For the same reason Ducati has now stopped importing their Monster 696 ("homologation issues" - as Ducati Gurgaon showroom guys put it)& have introduced the new Monster 796 (actually 803cc) in India.

                            It will be more appropriate to discuss these bikes after and official announcement of launch date & pricing.
                            Mate, am looking for info on both these bikes. There is no substitute for experience and if there are ppl on the forum who have already ridden it, then why not ask them. If you are well informed by the time of launch and knows what to expect and finds it good upto your standards all you need to is arrange the cash and book it.
                            I did the mistake with my Ninja 250R.. Waited a long time for doing the R&D and i had to wait for a freaking 141 days to lay my hands on it. Thats probably like getting married and waiting 141 days for the first night. Would not want that to happen again!

                            Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post
                            You spoke my mind buddy, in a year or two i too shall be tied down and even I am wanting to have a screaming in-line which shall beat the shit out of most Cars on roads(in performance & no street racing). My budget too is somewhere around 5K.

                            I have this in my mind & hope Suzie launches it & it should be within the budget, else there always is a 1000RR (am a huge Honda fan though & banks have very tight security cordon, may be we need to go the Dhoom way*)
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by JAKRAP View Post
                              Yeah..if i take it to Leh..I would have to sell it off there and return by foot

                              Vishwas, Many Many returns for the day.. BTw it coincides with the Indpendence day!!

                              Please dont bash up the 650R..Poor souls do need to own their super bikes too (I know its not a superbike but still)
                              One idea that has occured in my mind is to buy the GT650R in lavish red. (The bike looks gorgeous) put an Arrow slip on and then put a ducati sticker on it . Just like a fake ferrari with those pontiac fiero engines!Talk abt posers
                              You remember, I was dead against you taking your ninja offroading but Leh roads are not so bad as we covered that day. In fact 90% roads are butter smooth and have to be seen to believe that you are actually in India. If several R15s can do Leh, Ninja can also do it very easily.

                              Thanks for your wishes. Incidentally Independence day is celebrated because of my birthday.

                              The last para is a good idea but then you have to live with yourself which I am sure you wouldn't be comfortable with it.

                              I am not bashing 650 but after riding it, know that it is not really an upgrade from 250R. Z750 is way way better than 650. If you want to pop 5.5 lakhs and plus take a beating on resale of your ninja, it makes for a poor equation. That's all.

                              For someone else, 650 will be a good bike but not great one.
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                              • #60
                                A small twist--

                                Its isn't a necessary to take your Super Sports up at Leh, you can always hire RE's in Delhi or get a loaned bike from a friend or buy a cheap stroker. Leh is the mecca for most* bikers.

                                *most doesn't mean all.

                                Edit-- Cars & racing with them has been a very bad habit of mine which I am trying to kick off, but haven't succeed despite biting dust on few occasions.

                                Some food for thought & read the replies by bladeracer--
                                I don't understand the mindset of so many people that pull up to me at a light in cars and try to race me. Even more puzzling is this one guy in a Lambro on highway, I am just cruising along in the slow lane on my tricked out 2008 Blade, zooms by me over 100mph. What was the point of that sneak...
                                Last edited by sheelpriye; 08-17-2010, 01:50 AM.

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