While your points about people thinking Hyosung as 'Crapsung' are valid, the quality isn't that bad and its not all that far behind too.

But your logic is flawed! Firstly you are comparing the 650N to the Er6'F' whilst the GT650'R' is still sold. Comparing different products is wrong!

Secondly the price difference is no where near 2L

GT650N - 4.7L (BLR Pricing as of yesterday)
N650 - 5.8L (rumored 2012 pricing)

Consider the *hypothetical* situation that the Er6N is sold, you have to agree that it would retail at at least 50-60K cheaper !!

Now tell me you "won't" consider the Er6N when it is barely 50k or 10% more cost wise over the GT650N ?

PS: I don't own either bike so have nothing for/against them

PS:PS: the issues with the N250 is a batch issue for a certain set of bikes, all bikes aren't affected by it... and pray tell if there are any other 'real' issues with that bike which has over 28 years of evolution!!!

Hi Praful,

Thank you for your comments.

Forget about CONSIDERING the Ninja, it was my default and my only choice. It was only because it was not available that I went to see the GT650 with no intention of buying it.

Actually seeing it and riding it changed my mind. That and the fact that after sitting on a N650, I was filled with doubt about whether it was suitable for my 6'3" frame with enormously long arms and legs.

Apologies for using the 2 lakhs difference figure.

It is not my argument that the GT is SUPERIOR to the Ninja. Far from it, I'm convinced that it is inferior in a lot of ways. My point is that its not a binary "perfect and crap" thing, rather it is a "better and worse" scale. Thats all. The buyer has to decide which one suits him or her better. For instance if you are 6'3" tall and have arms as long as mine, then the GT will be a much more satisfying ride Or if you want a naked, then the GT650N would work nicely. For just about every other scenario, I'm sure the Ninja would be the better choice for most folks.

Cant wait to see the gorgeous metallic green and black combo of the new Ninja. Drool maal!

Oh is it! Then comparing ER6F and the GT650R is also wrong. Just because both have fairings doesn't mean they sport similar things and can be compared. Ride them side by side and you'll know they are not even similar type of products. It's like saying don't compare 220 with FZ but compare with R15!

The GT650R is at-right sporty and N650 is a proper tourer. And a correct requirement itself will clarify a buyer on what he needs without a confusion.

And for people who portray Hyosung as crap, great.. you guys know so much about bikes.. your posts are much appreciated.

They come at similar price points, there is bound to be a comparison! Live with it...

Going by your logic, GT650N == Er6F .. Right? Since you mention 'Tourer'

So I can only deduce that you are trying to say, GT650R == ZX6R ?? Since its 'Sporty' as you mentioned .. C'mon man

@Crusoe GTN: Like I mentioned before I have nothing for/against either bike. I just merely pointed out what I felt were errors Love the 'N' its feels like a lot more sensible buy over the 'R'

^ I never gave a logic.. i only said your logic is a flaw.. and comparing cuz they are of same price point!!? So you might also like to compare C500 and CBR 250 and say the same?

And i never mentioned GT650N to be a tourer. I just said there is no point comparing any bike when each of them is for different purpose. Not sure whether you could understand that.

GT650R = ZX6R?? See.. you can't grow out of comparing/respecting bikes for what it offers. And people like these remain forever. And ofcourse Gt650R is a supersport may be if it was couple of decades back. So a zx6R 20 years back could be a better comparison

WTH....

anyone can compare any bike with any bike .. this is democratic India.

I want to compare my R15 with N250R or even N650 ,..who's gonna stop it i say R15 is much better than either of the Ninja's , coz... its proven in track/quality/ride and in every aspect and now its exported to Japan also i can buy 5 R15 instead one N650.

ROFL ...

See.. the above i can compare and i can win also , there is no logic in comparing trust me , its all either w.r.t Engine size or Price nothing else or anything else will look like above

even can't compare CBR/NINJA/GTR eventhough they have same capacity but they are different segments.

a true comparison is like ST7 and Harly .. same class/size/comfort/price

unfortunately in India apart from cruiser there is no 2 bikes for Same segments [>250CC]

Hi Praful,

It was my previous post that possibly prompted Crusoe GTN to quote the 2 lakh price difference.
The dealer in Kanpur quoted an OTR price of Rs 6.5 lakhs for the N650 on the phone while the GTN retails for approx 4.5 L in that area. hence the maths.

i agree to an extent that a customer shelling out that much money may be confused to an extent between the n650 and the GT650R but one ride on both bikes is enough to kill that confusion. Trust me, its very similar to the 25 lakh confusion between a Fortuner and a Passat.

thats not to say that they are as different as chalk and cheese, both can be used as all-rounders with minor mods and depending on the rider's capabilities.

As far as the Hyosung is concerend, my main fear is the parts quality and after-sales service. A member on another forum has a white GTR and has already replaced the tank thanks to fading paint. a couple of other parts were also replaced under warranty. While the service was friendly and prompt, the parts took their own sweet time to come. Having had such issues with my P220, I dont expect a repeat specially when I am paying 6 times the money. Hope such cases are rare n that DSK is in the game for a long run unlike garware.

Other than that, there is nothing really wrong with the Hyosungs. The Suzuki derived engine is almost bullet-proof in reliability and for about 2 lakhs less, only a true Ninja fanboy will ignore the GTN.

As for me, I am still waiting for Bajaj's official price announcement with fingers crossed.

Re: The xBhp Ninja 650R Review

My 7 month old Ninja 650, 6000 KM ODO, rear break discs were worn out. There were unusual marking on the disc. Talk to the Pune Bajaj service center and asked them replace it under warranty. First attempts were rejected by Bajaj because break disc comes under wear and tear, no warranty. I inquired about the disc price and it was 15000 INR.

Again went to them and had a talk to higher level and convinced him that this is not due to wear and tear. They took photo of the discs and sent it to Bajaj, this time they were convinced that this is something unusual. Finally Bajaj changing it under warranty. Thought of putting up Bajaj's service experience here.

Re: The xBhp Ninja 650R Review

Sheer Wisdom man.. Sheer wisdom.. Very wisely written. Your writeup nearly had me roll a tear in my eye.. though I controlled it some how... I am lazy to login to reply with quote, but your words made me do that and that means a lot .............

Thanks and regards.

Re: The xBhp Ninja 650R Review

Hi,

Planning and saving hard to earn a Ninja 650 by November-December.


Could any one suggest me annual maintenance cost if i ride bike 20000 kms in a year (12000 on hills as regular long trips and rest in planes), don't have heavy pockets that is why curious.


Many thanks!!!

Re: The xBhp Ninja 650R Review

I think roughly 3k per service and a set of tyres minimum. Service interval if am not wrong is 6k km so calculate now. Cost is set of tyre will be appx 20k.

Re: The xBhp Ninja 650R Review

Hi,

Thanks!!!

But i have seen in many forums service cost is around 5-6.

Is it easy to handle if i come from 150 cc segment (to be specific Suzuki Gixxer)? can i easily flick the bike in hill areas while on long tours?


Thank again for suggestion.

Re: The xBhp Ninja 650R Review

Initially you might have some issues while turning as the turning radius is more than any of the 150cc bikes.
I upgraded from R15 v2.0 and initially had some issues. However a month and 1000 kms on (and after upgrading the front Tyre to Michelin PR4) I can flick it in Bangalore traffic (nowhere near as R15 v2.0).

To summarize it: Yes your handling will improve as you clock more, however it will never be as flickable as a 150 cc

Re: The xBhp Ninja 650R Review


Hi Thanks!!! for the update. Waiting impatiently to own it.

Re: The xBhp Ninja 650R Review

With 20K per year in plane and hill, tyre would be changed two time if I am not wrong. Tyre life would not be more than 10K in my opinion as Sports bikes eat lot of rubber.

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Flicking a bike around comes with practise and techniques. Ninja is nimble while on the run and sheer weight on standstill, only confidence and techniques will help on this bike. Coming from a Gixxer to this will be butter smooth as I have moved up from discover 125, other than shoulder pain for few days and cramp in thighs , nothing serious issues. Will take my on its first service this Friday and could comment on actual service cost in Delhi. Others will be more or less same with only difference will be VAT % difference.

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Is it by the acronym K.N.O.G? I tried searching with the name given, it resulted in KNOG. I sent in the joining request nonetheless