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The KoJap Dilemma : Ninja 650R vs GT650R

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  • Originally posted by HarishK View Post
    After Dreaming about the Ducati Monster 796 for a while, I am planning get the Ninja 650R.

    Its quite stupid to ask this Question on a 650CC..... But I am very eager to know what is the Mileage per liter fuel on the Ninja 650R.

    The main reason for asking is, the fuel tank capacity is 15.5 Litres, so I need to be sure when to refill.

    I like every aspect of the Ninja 650R, seating posture, Dual headlamps etc. But is it worth to buy over the Ninja 250R? I am a daily commuter to office (50Kms), Weekend drives for about 50-100Kms, once in 2-3 months a long trip for about 600Kms.
    Mileage - about 18kmpl. Not ideal as a commuter in dense traffic for no other reason that your legs will get cooked from the heat of the engine. N250R slightly better for traffic in this respect. Things get better with movement though - so if your route is not through dense traffic you should be okay. As a weekend and long distance tourer it has no equal - the posture, riding stance and power are all superlative. Is it worth buying over the 250R? Definitely. Over the GT650R? Again - definitely.

    If I were you, would buy a Honda Activa for city use and the N650 for weekend stress-busting!
    Last edited by Sunnyside_up!; 09-16-2011, 08:01 AM.

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    • I loved the Hyosung over the Ninja 650!

      Originally posted by Sunnyside_up! View Post
      Over the GT650R? Again - definitely.
      I beg to differ. First its unfair to compare Hysoung GT650R and Ninja 650R for the simple reason that the Hyo is a supersports and Ninja is a tourer bike.

      Looks: Hyo wins hands down, ninja is downright ugly

      Handling and negotiating curves: Again hyo is the clear winner. The aggressive riding position helps you take deep curves without missing a beat. Also the large tank offers excellent grip for the knees

      Exhaust note: The v-twin engine sound and vibes of the Hyo is awesome. This is what a sports bike should sound like. On the other hand, Ninja sounds like an agricultural pump set

      Power: Awesome v-twin power, excellent torque.

      Braking: Superb brakes and improved suspension on the 2010 Hyosung GT650R. Clip on handlebars, adjustable footpegs, inverted forks, liquid cooled engine, EFI, detailed odometer. Its got all the technology of a top notch bike.

      I don't know in what sense you mean Ninja is better than Hyo. Brand value is not everything. Hyundai was a korean company making bucket cars some years back. Now they are giving BMW, Mercs and Audis a run for their money in terms of sales and market capturing. In the near future the Korean Hyosung will give a tough time to the Japanese brands like Kawasaki

      I rode the GT650R and i completely loved it. I am gonna book the bike next week!

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      • Originally posted by dharmana12 View Post
        I rode the GT650R and i completely loved it. I am gonna book the bike next week!
        Cool bro..which color have you decided

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        • Originally posted by dharmana12 View Post
          I beg to differ. First its unfair to compare Hysoung GT650R and Ninja 650R for the simple reason that the Hyo is a supersports and Ninja is a tourer bike.

          Agreed!

          Looks: Hyo wins hands down, ninja is downright ugly

          Personal opinion

          Handling and negotiating curves: Again hyo is the clear winner. The aggressive riding position helps you take deep curves without missing a beat. Also the large tank offers excellent grip for the knees

          I don't think you have tested N650R. It is sports tourer and can't tackle corners as aggressively as GT but yes good enough for a bike of its category. In the same manner, you won't prefer to do long distance touring on GT.

          Exhaust note: The v-twin engine sound and vibes of the Hyo is awesome. This is what a sports bike should sound like. On the other hand, Ninja sounds like an agricultural pump set

          Well, that's a typical fanboyism..

          Power: Awesome v-twin power, excellent torque.

          Identical power figures for both (70 - 72 ps), unsure about the torque though.

          Braking: Superb brakes and improved suspension on the 2010 Hyosung GT650R. Clip on handlebars, adjustable footpegs, inverted forks, liquid cooled engine, EFI, detailed odometer. Its got all the technology of a top notch bike.

          Can you specify what are the things missing with the N650R?

          I don't know in what sense you mean Ninja is better than Hyo. Brand value is not everything. Hyundai was a korean company making bucket cars some years back. Now they are giving BMW, Mercs and Audis a run for their money in terms of sales and market capturing. In the near future the Korean Hyosung will give a tough time to the Japanese brands like Kawasaki

          Well, there are still people who go after German engineering as Hyundai is good with the smallcar segment but not with the luxury category.

          I rode the GT650R and i completely loved it. I am gonna book the bike next week!
          Congratulations on that friend! You'll enjoy your ride for sure

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          • Originally posted by dharmana12 View Post
            I beg to differ. First its unfair to compare Hysoung GT650R and Ninja 650R for the simple reason that the Hyo is a supersports and Ninja is a tourer bike.

            Looks: Hyo wins hands down, ninja is downright ugly

            Handling and negotiating curves: Again hyo is the clear winner. The aggressive riding position helps you take deep curves without missing a beat. Also the large tank offers excellent grip for the knees

            Exhaust note: The v-twin engine sound and vibes of the Hyo is awesome. This is what a sports bike should sound like. On the other hand, Ninja sounds like an agricultural pump set

            Power: Awesome v-twin power, excellent torque.

            Braking: Superb brakes and improved suspension on the 2010 Hyosung GT650R. Clip on handlebars, adjustable footpegs, inverted forks, liquid cooled engine, EFI, detailed odometer. Its got all the technology of a top notch bike.

            I don't know in what sense you mean Ninja is better than Hyo. Brand value is not everything. Hyundai was a korean company making bucket cars some years back. Now they are giving BMW, Mercs and Audis a run for their money in terms of sales and market capturing. In the near future the Korean Hyosung will give a tough time to the Japanese brands like Kawasaki

            I rode the GT650R and i completely loved it. I am gonna book the bike next week!
            I think you missed the point that I was trying to make - I was replying to the previous post to the guy who uses his bike for long distance rides too. In that case, I would definitely recommend the N650R over the GT650 still. The stance of the GT650 is not long-distance friendly compared to the N650.

            On the rest of your post, I do agree with the sound of the exhaust note - the N650 does sound like an agricultural pumpset!

            As for your comparison with Hyundai and BMW - Hyosung is NOT Hyundai.

            I have had experience with Hyosung products in the past (the Comet 250R) - their products have not shown any depth - scratch the glossy surface and poor quality shows through. Even now, with the GT650R being just a couple of months old, I already have friends with rust spots on their bikes, oil leakage from engines and rattly fairings, not to mention orange peel on tanks. Quality-wise the bike in IMHO is still suspect.

            With regard to the network, PBK has a national presence and proven efficiency, while Garware is still in the process of getting its act together - we had an amusing episode a few weeks back as the dealer fumbled through the PDI and registration formalities, often being guided by us - the customer!

            The Hyosung GT650 is a great looking and sounding bike - I hope we can say that with as much enthusiasm after a year of usage! In the meanwhile, congrats on your purchase!

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            • Originally posted by Sunnyside_up! View Post
              Even now, with the GT650R being just a couple of months old, I already have friends with rust spots on their bikes, oil leakage from engines and rattly fairings, not to mention orange peel on tanks. Quality-wise the bike in IMHO is still suspect.
              If you know aditya from Chennai, His N650R had oil leak and rattly farirings(which was not fixed even after couple of visits to SVC). And all this within 400 kms after buying the bike. So these cannot be generalized for a brand. I have seen N650R vibrate as well. About rusting, I feel yes I feel some symptoms of it on the exhaust. I wipe it with the cloth and it looks like gone. But after a rain I see that again. But as per me, these are not issues that would make anyone choose a Ninja over a GT. Deciding factor would be what sort of bike someone wants(requirments).
              MJ
              **I did not get a PULSAR cuz I wanted a BIKE!!**
              **I got a BIKE cuz I wanted a PULSAR!!**

              Pulsar 150 DTSi - 2004
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              • Originally posted by men_in_jean View Post
                If you know aditya from Chennai, His N650R had oil leak and rattly farirings(which was not fixed even after couple of visits to SVC). And all this within 400 kms after buying the bike. So these cannot be generalized for a brand. I have seen N650R vibrate as well. About rusting, I feel yes I feel some symptoms of it on the exhaust. I wipe it with the cloth and it looks like gone. But after a rain I see that again. But as per me, these are not issues that would make anyone choose a Ninja over a GT. Deciding factor would be what sort of bike someone wants(requirments).

                I know Aditya very well actually - you have your facts incorrect, my friend - his bike wasn't leaking oil - it was seeping coolant from a loose hose which was fitted with one visit. Same with his fairing bolts. His issues with his bike occurred because he pushed PBK to do PDI, registration and delivery in one day, as a result of which some things were overlooked. So far from all the bikes delivered so far in the country - and we are in touch with a lot of them, courtesy a dedicated owners group on FB - the only complaints have been PDI related - not quality of the machine.

                In any case, I am not trying to make a case that the N650 or GT650 is better or worse - I agree that the bike that one chooses is always based on the owners requirements/desires first. To each his own!

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                • you have your facts incorrect, my friend - his bike wasn't leaking oil - it was seeping coolant from a loose hose which was fitted with one visit. Same with his fairing bolts. His issues with his bike occurred because he pushed PBK to do PDI, registration and delivery in one day, as a result of which some things were overlooked. So far from all the bikes delivered so far in the country - and we are in touch with a lot of them, courtesy a dedicated owners group on FB - the only complaints have been PDI related - not quality of the machine.
                  Yes, I am sorry about that. It was the coolant. But that was not fixed on the first visit. Or that is what he told me when we met.

                  My point is even with GT650R oil leak issue that u mentioned, the same PDI may or may not have been the issue. One bike's defect cannot be generalized is what I was trying to say. We have a GT ownership thread, and I also have certain friends who own it. And we have not seen this issue with any other bikes.

                  I am not trying to prove which bike is superior here. I am only trying to say that both bikes aren't bad/inferior to each other.

                  PS: Actually heard from aditya that you are a good friend of him
                  MJ
                  **I did not get a PULSAR cuz I wanted a BIKE!!**
                  **I got a BIKE cuz I wanted a PULSAR!!**

                  Pulsar 150 DTSi - 2004
                  GT 650R - 2011

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                  • Originally posted by Sunnyside_up! View Post

                    In any case, I am not trying to make a case that the N650 or GT650 is better or worse - I agree that the bike that one chooses is always based on the owners requirements/desires first. To each his own!
                    yes, indeed ur comparing ... u might not knowing it .... like it or not .. u have to take facts on these bikes with pinch of salt.

                    do u think a guy owning GT650R will stay away from long drives ... no way.. infact for example.. our own melroy is planning for a saddle sore on it.

                    and i deftly won;t believe ur words if u say that u won;t push ur N650R on corners .. .. see its not every one have enough money to buy different bike for different purpose .. its more of a one bike with multi purpose ..

                    and about quality wise .. i definitively wont buy ur word that some GT already had rust spots. ..
                    i have seen in even Harley that oil leaks... and more over R15 also have some rust spots ...

                    so when defining any product ..just don;t blindly categorize it .. all new GT's are better in quality and Ninja slightly better than GT.

                    bottom line is .. u get something and u lose some ... as owner u know exactly wt ur bike is missing and wt u have gained
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                    • Originally posted by men_in_jean View Post
                      PS: Actually heard from aditya that you are a good friend of him
                      Hee hee! Yes we are! We're leaving on a long ride together in a few days!

                      Originally posted by nagoo View Post
                      yes, indeed ur comparing ... u might not knowing it .... like it or not .. u have to take facts on these bikes with pinch of salt.

                      do u think a guy owning GT650R will stay away from long drives ... no way.. infact for example.. our own melroy is planning for a saddle sore on it.

                      and i deftly won;t believe ur words if u say that u won;t push ur N650R on corners .. .. see its not every one have enough money to buy different bike for different purpose .. its more of a one bike with multi purpose ..

                      and about quality wise .. i definitively wont buy ur word that some GT already had rust spots. ..
                      i have seen in even Harley that oil leaks... and more over R15 also have some rust spots ...

                      so when defining any product ..just don;t blindly categorize it .. all new GT's are better in quality and Ninja slightly better than GT.

                      bottom line is .. u get something and u lose some ... as owner u know exactly wt ur bike is missing and wt u have gained
                      Hi Nagoo! Long time no see!

                      Hey man, if i came across as wanting to place the N650R above the GT 650R, that was not my intention! If you check a few posts back I was actually sharing with a guy who wanted to know about the N650R. I commented that I would choose the N650 over the GT650 from the context of his touring - nothing else!

                      Regarding Mel - well he's already a Saddle Sore Guru on an FZ itself, so he's an exception anyway!

                      As for the rust spots, Manoj (Men in Jean) just clarified a few posts back that he does see them! So don't take just my word for it!

                      And actually you're wrong about the corners - I think your comment is based on seeing me lean over my N250R - that bike was built for cornering! The N650R doesn't have the suspension, CG or stance for leaning into corners aggressively - not that I haven't tried! Hahaha!

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