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  • I am planning to go for the GT650R, but I badly wanna see the timing charts 1st. It gives me a sense of satisfaction.
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    • Originally posted by brijen.gamer View Post
      trip!! I can come with u .. I have p220 and 10k riding experience
      Brijen, you are most welcome but on your own bike. 'Cause most probably, my wife would be coming along - she is an even more avid wanderer than I am. Will keep you posted about developments on this.

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      • Kudos bro!!

        Excellent review as usual bro...
        No words to praise the unbiasedness in the review.
        It was an eye opener for me bcos I underestimated Hyosung
        Good luck for your new ride
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        • We still don't have the time charts yet!
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          • Originally posted by milancherian View Post
            We still don't have the time charts yet!
            An auto magazine informs us of its VBox testing with the Ninja 650R:

            0-60 kmph: 2.17 seconds,
            0-80 kmph: 3.37 seconds,
            0-100 kmph: 4.56 seconds,

            Roll ons from 40-60, 60-80, 80-100, 100-120 in the 3rd and 4th gears are all, under 2 seconds each.

            Braking: Brakes were told to be a bit spongy, but braking power was enough.
            80-0 kmph is in 34 metres, 3 seconds.

            Top speed: They managed 198 kmph at speedo which was 192 kmph real. True top speed should be above 200 kmph (estimated).

            In city: Can maintain 45 kmph in the 5th gear easily, around 2000 rpm.

            This kills the GT by around 0.5 seconds as far as acceleration is concerned, if we believe the concerned magazine. I don't understand why the authorities have to bully small companies like this, and force them to detune their imported products??
            When GT has Euro III standards, which in turn means compliance with Bharat III standards (both standards are same except for the speeds at which emission is measured), why favor Bajaj and push Hyosung??

            I know I'm going for Ninja and not GT, but still I really feel this is unfair. Now, Hyosung has only 74 PS and god knows how much torque it lost at various rpm's.

            @ MG Biker: Bro, can you shed some light on this detuning matter? Was it that required and how did Bajaj escape it?
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            • Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
              An auto magazine informs us of its VBox testing with the Ninja 650R:

              if we believe the concerned magazine.
              source? what mag?
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              • Originally posted by xionite View Post
                source? what mag?
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                • Now am really even more confused!Should I go for the Ninja 650R or the GT650R?Or should I wait a little more something better?Anything heading our way soon guys?Any Super Sports?
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                  • well lets see cbr600rr/r6/gsx600r/daytona 675/zx-10r or ninja 1000 or z1000 by end of 2011 or early 2012. so can you hold your horses for next 6-7 months
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                    • Originally posted by captain koli View Post
                      well lets see cbr600rr/r6/gsx600r/daytona 675/zx-10r or ninja 1000 or z1000 by end of 2011 or early 2012. So can you hold your horses for next 6-7 months:d
                      really?omfg!then its better i wait i guess!
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                      • i am wondering why no one has spoken about the exhaust.
                        N650's unique under slung exhaust and GT650's typical exhaust.
                        N650's signature mono-suspension

                        Yes, look wise Gt650 is better but in terms of brand and reliability Jap baby is far ahead of the Korean beast !
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                        • Originally posted by milancherian View Post
                          really?omfg!then its better i wait i guess!
                          If budget is not a problem than you should surely wait, because all these bikes going to be priced higher than present 650s available.
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                          • Originally posted by wheelieboy View Post
                            Yes, look wise Gt650 is better but in terms of brand and reliability Jap baby is far ahead of the Korean beast !
                            Have you used a Hyosung product to comment on the reliability!!

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                            • Originally posted by melroyal View Post
                              Have you used a Hyosung product to comment on the reliability!!

                              @ Mel - buddy, I don't think that he meant any offense. Was merely expressing the wide-spread perception of Jap superiority.

                              I have had the opportunity however to compare a Hyosung Comet which I briefly owned in 2007. At that point in time, all the niggling quality issues were over-looked ( rusting tank on a brand-new bike, iffy brakes, poor quality paint, etc.,) simply because we had nothing else to compare it against and we were so grateful in those days to have an 'imported' bike that even major faux-pas were condoned.

                              Fast-forward to 2010 and the Kawasaki Ninja. My N250R has done about 14K km in a year, with me just riding on weekends and it looks, feels and rides BETTER than the day it was bought. Now if that's not a testament to quality I don't know what is!

                              Obviously nobody here is in a position to mock the 2011 Hyosung GT650R and put it down vis-a-vis the Kawasaki N650R - since both bikes are just hitting the market and nobody has really had the opportunity to pit one against the other over any period of time. Therefore to comment on quality today would be both unfair and premature.

                              Meanwhile, I do hope that Hyosung has (as reported in the international press) improved their quality standards by leaps and bounds and brought it to par with the Japs renowned standards. I guess that's something that only time will tell.

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                              • Originally posted by melroyal View Post
                                Have you used a Hyosung product to comment on the reliability!!
                                rumors spreads faster than fire, some one says something and others just add masala to it and present there version .... its just a human factor .. so..no one to blame here

                                Originally posted by Sunnyside_up! View Post
                                @ Mel - buddy, I don't think that he meant any offense. Was merely expressing the wide-spread perception of Jap superiority.

                                I have had the opportunity however to compare a Hyosung Comet which I briefly owned in 2007. At that point in time, all the niggling quality issues were over-looked ( rusting tank on a brand-new bike, iffy brakes, poor quality paint, etc.,) simply because we had nothing else to compare it against and we were so grateful in those days to have an 'imported' bike that even major faux-pas were condoned.

                                Fast-forward to 2010 and the Kawasaki Ninja. My N250R has done about 14K km in a year, with me just riding on weekends and it looks, feels and rides BETTER than the day it was bought. Now if that's not a testament to quality I don't know what is!

                                Obviously nobody here is in a position to mock the 2011 Hyosung GT650R and put it down vis-a-vis the Kawasaki N650R - since both bikes are just hitting the market and nobody has really had the opportunity to pit one against the other over any period of time. Therefore to comment on quality today would be both unfair and premature.

                                Meanwhile, I do hope that Hyosung has (as reported in the international press) improved their quality standards by leaps and bounds and brought it to par with the Japs renowned standards. I guess that's something that only time will tell.
                                i agree with u , no matter its Jap's or kor's ..unless used there is no point in argue ... N250R now already reached 2 yrs old .. and now every one know its +ve n -ve aspects ...it may be quality wise ..durability wise ..and so on...
                                similarly it will take some time for other bikes too ...
                                bottom line is .. no matter how small or unknown or famous a comp is ..but with time every one wants to be better than yesterday not otherwise
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