Best new VFM bike in India

[Enthusiastic]

actually , my views are complete opposite ... booked ns at first thinking same as you .. then after riding and feeling ns , i got to know that duke gives a whole lot more for extra 40k ..not only power but everything in terms of a complete package ....looks are personal tastes .. there are many people who call the bmw s1000rr ugly ,,i find it beautiful though ..
let me list out what we get in duke for extra 40k .. :-
fi , alluminium swing arm , mfd , usd forks which are the same used in ktm rc8 superbike , wp suspensions , radial tyres , way better power to weight ratio , radially mounted front brake with 4 piston caliper , both brakes get steel braided lines , trellis frame , the sound , the feeling of riding a ktm in india ( priceless ) , exclusivity ,, to my eyes it looks way better than any other bike in india today ( except superbikes ) ..
note :- personal views ...

I agree that Duke 200 is a VFM product but not more than NS. About your comments, rarely I have heard anyone calling s1000rr ugly. although its strange since its asymmetric in design but not ugly. There are many things you get with NS over Duke (which you're overlooking) I would like to sum it up-
- 4 color options - many people won't like orange color on their bike and a color option provides you with more choice.
- Better brakes - Though on paper due to its twin pot the Duke's brakes should be stronger but having discussed this point with some editors everyone has just had the same thing to say. In the real world NS has better bite. In fact R15 brakes would loose out to these 2 on paper but they say it has even better bite than NS brakes.
- More comfy and bigger seats.
- Smoother engine. I personally feel a smoother engine is better for long term usage though initially anyone would love the jerky acceleration.
- Better looks - although perspective, if you hide the brand names Im sure 9 out of 10 people would call the NS a better looker.
- Better console - Although Duke's console is the most multi-functional display ever seen on any Indian bike, it lacks the feel of the console which an analogue Tachometer provides. It looks like a hand video game to me.
- Twin-spar Perimeter frame - Although controversial trellis or Twin-spar is better, I would say that twin-spar gives it a better look atleast.
- Due to its heavier weight would feel more planted on the highways.
Apart from that some compensations -
- Though 3 spark plugs don't make for the power that the Duke produces but it makes out for the mileage part by burning fuel that could have escaped as heat.
- For many people riding our own branded top class manufactured bike is also priceless

I feel WP made suspensions won't be that expensive but since they are imported so that become more expensive. NS also comes with decent shocks of course not as good as WP. Aluminium swingarm is good but it adds just 1 KG more weight with the regular swingarm (NS is also rectangular type) so I don't find it worth the money. Considering these things and 40K is a huge money, I find NS to be full paisa-vasool
PS - These are just my personal opinions.

[Shibadip]

@enthusiastic - Some of the points mentioned by you like
4Colour Options, Better Brakes( altough I think just the rear ones are better in NS than Duke), Good Comfy seats; are very genuine points, and is generally overlooked by everyone while comparing the Two.

[Rahulbarik]

I agree that Duke 200 is a VFM product but not more than NS. About your comments, rarely I have heard anyone calling s1000rr ugly. although its strange since its asymmetric in design but not ugly. There are many things you get with NS over Duke (which you're overlooking) I would like to sum it up-
- 4 color options - many people won't like orange color on their bike and a color option provides you with more choice.
- Better brakes - Though on paper due to its twin pot the Duke's brakes should be stronger but having discussed this point with some editors everyone has just had the same thing to say. In the real world NS has better bite. In fact R15 brakes would loose out to these 2 on paper but they say it has even better bite than NS brakes.
- More comfy and bigger seats.
- Smoother engine. I personally feel a smoother engine is better for long term usage though initially anyone would love the jerky acceleration.
- Better looks - although perspective, if you hide the brand names Im sure 9 out of 10 people would call the NS a better looker.
- Better console - Although Duke's console is the most multi-functional display ever seen on any Indian bike, it lacks the feel of the console which an analogue Tachometer provides. It looks like a hand video game to me.
- Twin-spar Perimeter frame - Although controversial trellis or Twin-spar is better, I would say that twin-spar gives it a better look atleast.
- Due to its heavier weight would feel more planted on the highways.
Apart from that some compensations -
- Though 3 spark plugs don't make for the power that the Duke produces but it makes out for the mileage part by burning fuel that could have escaped as heat.
- For many people riding our own branded top class manufactured bike is also priceless

I feel WP made suspensions won't be that expensive but since they are imported so that become more expensive. NS also comes with decent shocks of course not as good as WP. Aluminium swingarm is good but it adds just 1 KG more weight with the regular swingarm (NS is also rectangular type) so I don't find it worth the money. Considering these things and 40K is a huge money, I find NS to be full paisa-vasool
PS - These are just my personal opinions.

i simply didn't find any sense in any of the positives you mentioned...
1. Owning a ktm is not about color options...its just owning a ktm... Orange is their trademark color...
2. Better brakes? Where? How? It has the best brakes in business...only 2nd to ninja 250... Even the r15 brakes dont come close... Ns is out of question maybe...(still to test) though the ns have very good brakes... Bro brake bite is not everything...what matters more than bite is lever feedback... Current pulsars ar criticised for poor brakes... Y? Because though the bite is very good, it doesn't have a good lever feedback and uncomtrolled fork dive...so braking is poor compared to competition... And ns has the same old brakes from the pulsar 220..both front and rear... Only the disc plates are different...calipers are ditto same... Just the front caliper is mounted by an extension plate coz of bigger diameter disc...
3. Personal preference....i love rough engines so that i can feel what i am riding... Smooth engine feels like yo bike to me
4. Looks also subjective with duke having the trademark ktm design...all ktm bikes looks like alien coz they are made to look like that...its different... I find the ns design to be confused...i dont know which breed the new pulsar is... It surely looks hot from some angles but looks crap from some other angles... In one word design is disproportionate...earlier pulsars are much more proportionate... In my view the best looking bike india ever witnessed below 1 lakh is the earlier pulsar 200 dtsi... that is a proporitionate design...never came across a single person who hate that bike...still have a huge fan following... Many of my friends are not fan of the new ns design still we are going to buy it including me...its just because of the engine and chasis and cheap maintenance... Bajaj introduce latest tech but dont know how to put them together and make things work...this statement is coming from a bajaj fanboy like me...
5. Agree about the console part... Console is okay but analogue tacho is must... It gives a different feel
6. Trellis is more beautiful than twing spar IMO... Its a beauty to look at... Again bajaj using a perimetre frame but didn't get things right so the ns is not as stable at high speeds in comparison to a r15 which also user uses perimeter frame and weighs much lighter... Ns being heavier by 14 kilos, a 73 mm longer wheelbase, much thicker tyres still is not stable as the r15 and even the fz
7. 3 plugs dont make the ns more fuel efficient...it just reduce emmissions... If ns actually gives better economy thats because of higher gearing and thinner hard compound tyres...tyre compound plays a crucial role... I think both have same mileage...infact duke is more efficient...
8. I agree riding a pulsar is a different feeling and me being a pulsar fanboy dont hesitate to point out the faults in the bike...
9. WP suspensions are far better the ones on the ns... The forks of the ns are ditto same as the the 220 which in fact is manufactured by Endurance in india which is the cheaper indian arm of WP... Calling endurance better than WP is like calling ByBre better than Brembo which again is the cheaper indian arm of Brembo....
10. Alluminium swingarm is not just for weight reduction...its much more rigid actually...
What we get by paying 35k extra is worth every penny... And finally the built quality of the bike and quality of everything used in the bike...even the r15 which reeks quality feels cheaper in front of duke...
No offence to anyone for the above post
Its just a comparo of duke and ns... Both the bikes are complete steal at the prices they are offered...its like what we call chaitra sale in bengali

[Shibadip]

2. Better brakes? Where? How? It has the best brakes in business...only 2nd to ninja 250... Even the r15 brakes dont come close... Ns is out of question maybe...(still to test) though the ns have very good brakes... Bro brake bite is not everything...what matters more than bite is lever feedback... Current pulsars ar criticised for poor brakes... Y? Because though the bite is very good, it doesn't have a good lever feedback and uncomtrolled fork dive...so braking is poor compared to competition... And ns has the same old brakes from the pulsar 220..both front and rear... Only the disc plates are different...calipers are ditto same... Just the front caliper is mounted by an extension plate coz of bigger diameter disc...

Well as the bike Aren't available in Bengal, so haven't got a chance to TD any of them..
But regarding the brakes, I have read Two reviews in a matter of 24 hrs, and found that Rear brakes of Duke is not Appreciated by any of them.
1st review - bike advice.in ( * there is no space in between the words)
2nd one- Sorry cant remember it now (Probably overdrive)

PS- In both the reviews, the Duke was not compared with NS, so it wud be wrong to determine if the brakes of NS are better than Duke, but it does create a Suspicion

[antz.bin]

Well, I myself have voted for Duke over 200NS even though I love the 200NS for what it offers at its price which nobody else can match.

The KTM to me is a much more complete enthusiast's motorcycle in its stock form as compared to the NS. NS is more a 'motorcycle for everyone' while the KTM is its uncompromising cousin. The KTM may make the rider compromise with his own comfort or that of his pillion, but then the experience it offers is unmatched even by bikes selling for much higher prices. With tyres almost as wide as the Ninja 650, 4 pot caliper brakes and USD front forks which are only seen on bikes in India which cost 10 times more, weight as much as the Pulsar 135 and power as much as a CBR 250!

It is really the KTM which has taken the Pulsar's Hooligan legacy forward in spirit more than the Pulsar 200NS! Pulsars were never smooth engines with such linear response that it would become difficult to gauge where the torque peaks!

The fact of the matter is, if you can promise yourself that you will never get bored of the performance offered by a stock 200NS (or with just Pirelli tyres as the sole upgrade), it is a much more VFM package from the looks of things.

But the level of versatility offered by the vastly over-engineered KTM w.r.t. future upgrades for very little investment is astounding. The way I see it, the 35k extra spent on the KTM today is something which will pay you back in a stage of ownership when you will be looking for that *something extra*. And when you eventually do reach that stage, all you need is some proficiency in TuneECU and you will have your all new hooligan! Without any need of trying to upgrade the tyres or brakes or trying any stupid weight-reduction stunts because all that was already done for you when you got the bike!

The Pulsar may be the bargain of the year with unmatched features and practically no competition in the price range, but the KTM, my friends, is the bargain of the decade with features that bikes priced much much higher can only dream of!

[Rahulbarik]

Well, I myself have voted for Duke over 200NS even though I love the 200NS for what it offers at its price which nobody else can match.

The KTM to me is a much more complete enthusiast's motorcycle in its stock form as compared to the NS. NS is more a 'motorcycle for everyone' while the KTM is its uncompromising cousin. The KTM may make the rider compromise with his own comfort or that of his pillion, but then the experience it offers is unmatched even by bikes selling for much higher prices. With tyres almost as wide as the Ninja 650, 4 pot caliper brakes and USD front forks which are only seen on bikes in India which cost 10 times more, weight as much as the Pulsar 135 and power as much as a CBR 250!

It is really the KTM which has taken the Pulsar's Hooligan legacy forward in spirit more than the Pulsar 200NS! Pulsars were never smooth engines with such linear response that it would become difficult to gauge where the torque peaks!

The fact of the matter is, if you can promise yourself that you will never get bored of the performance offered by a stock 200NS (or with just Pirelli tyres as the sole upgrade), it is a much more VFM package from the looks of things.

But the level of versatility offered by the vastly over-engineered KTM w.r.t. future upgrades for very little investment is astounding. The way I see it, the 35k extra spent on the KTM today is something which will pay you back in a stage of ownership when you will be looking for that *something extra*. And when you eventually do reach that stage, all you need is some proficiency in TuneECU and you will have your all new hooligan! Without any need of trying to upgrade the tyres or brakes or trying any stupid weight-reduction stunts because all that was already done for you when you got the bike!

The Pulsar may be the bargain of the year with unmatched features and practically no competition in the price range, but the KTM, my friends, is the bargain of the decade with features that bikes priced much much higher can only dream of!

superb post man.... Rightly said...
I am adding one more point... Pulsars have a relatively poor resale value...and the duke being from a premium product will have quite good resale value i guess... So what you pay as 30k extra you get it back while selling it...doesn't make much difference...
@shiba: actually the rear brake of the duke is not liked by many not because its poor but because it is too sharp and powerful... Its the rear tyre which gives up before the brake does... The tyres of the duke though having fancy size and being radial fails to provide the desired grip... Having driven the duke extensively i can say that the radial rear tyre of the fz fares better than the duke... But still the duke is a loot at that price

[Enthusiastic]

Again bajaj using a perimetre frame but didn't get things right so the ns is not as stable at high speeds in comparison to a r15 which also user uses perimeter frame and weighs much lighter... Ns being heavier by 14 kilos, a 73 mm longer wheelbase, much thicker tyres still is not stable as the r15 and even the fz
Pulsars have a relatively poor resale value...and the duke being from a premium product will have quite good resale value i guess... So what you pay as 30k extra you get it back while selling it...doesn't make much difference...

For the Bold Part, it would be interesting to know where you find out that from since that is unheard of that they didn't get it right. And having shorter wheelbase doesnt justify stability otherwise apaches would be the most stable bikes around. R15 would be more stable becz it has a fairing but how you find out its lesser stable than FZ?

For the resale part I logically feel that since the KTM brand name and has created a good reputation for itself so I dont think it would suffer any toll from earlier gen Pulsars since they share very less in common. So it would be easily sold after sometime for say 20K less at 80k but it would require a big effort(almost next to impossible) to sell D200 at 20K less at 1.2L even 1.1L would require good effort, since new P200NS would be available for 1L, R15V2 at 1.25L, ZMR 1.15L.
@Rahulbarik, I would say to everyone his own. Without VFM the Duke(Pure KTM) is definitely better than NS200 (an amalgation of KTM+Bajaj R&D+Edgar Heinrich) but NS200 is slightly more VFM was my point. Please post back to back only if necessary and valid points.

[Rahulbarik]

For the Bold Part, it would be interesting to know where you find out that from since that is unheard of that they didn't get it right. And having shorter wheelbase doesnt justify stability otherwise apaches would be the most stable bikes around. R15 would be more stable becz it has a fairing but how you find out its lesser stable than FZ?

For the resale part I logically feel that since the KTM brand name and has created a good reputation for itself so I dont think it would suffer any toll from earlier gen Pulsars since they share very less in common. So it would be easily sold after sometime for say 20K less at 80k but it would require a big effort(almost next to impossible) to sell D200 at 20K less at 1.2L even 1.1L would require good effort, since new P200NS would be available for 1L, R15V2 at 1.25L, ZMR 1.15L.
@Rahulbarik, I would say to everyone his own. Without VFM the Duke(Pure KTM) is definitely better than NS200 (an amalgation of KTM Bajaj R&D Edgar Heinrich) but NS200 is slightly more VFM was my point. Please post back to back only if necessary and valid points.

that is what i meant friend...longer wheelbase increases stability so as a matter of fact the 200ns should be more stable than say a r15 v1..forget v2 coz its even more stable than v1(comparing r15 coz they both have perimetre frame and rectangular section swingarm) r15 stays just rock stable even at 150 speedo indicated...even more stable than 220 which itself have awesum high speed stability... But the ns even with a perimeter frame and that loooong wheelbase it is not so stable as a 220 at 120 ... So it proves that bajaj didn't get things right else why would this happen? And i refered that fz being more stable because my friend's joeled fz crosses 140 on speedo and remains rock stable that too thinner 120/80 rear tyre and despite the bike having a simple diamond frame... Thats why i said bajaj gives fancy stuffs but dont know how to make them work...they are a relatively new company and will learn as time passes by...its been hardly 10 years the bajaj started their journey as a proper bike manufacturer...they will learn from the mistakes and it is the only indian company whose future is bright and ready to take on world leaders... Tvs having b capable r&d is just sitting idle...coz they dont have the money to play trial and error...they have to get things right at one shot...
I am buying the ns within 2 months time but i think the 200ns is a confused product from bajaj... What is the purpose of the bike actually....i couldn't figure out still...
Is it a tourer? Then why is it having poor high speed stability..
Is it a streetfighter? Then why is it having low low-end torque coz street fighters need to have a sudden burst of acceleration as soon as you dump the clutch..and that high seat will make things worse in traffic(though still to test)
Is it a track bike? Then why is it having a upright riding posture...
I still find it confusing
And you said something about a bold part in your commnent...since i access from cell, i cant see any bold letters...could you plz quote that exact part...?
And vfm is somethimg personal... All bikes less than a lakh, then ns is the most vfm bike whatever segment it maybe... And more than a lakh to infinity, its duke... What i think is duke just changed the biking scenario once again in india what the pulsars did 10 years back...and the icing on the cake is that the duke is followed by another one, the 200ns... Pulsars are made to rule...

[vjnow]

Well, I myself have voted for Duke over 200NS even though I love the 200NS for what it offers at its price which nobody else can match.

The KTM to me is a much more complete enthusiast's motorcycle in its stock form as compared to the NS. NS is more a 'motorcycle for everyone' while the KTM is its uncompromising cousin. The KTM may make the rider compromise with his own comfort or that of his pillion, but then the experience it offers is unmatched even by bikes selling for much higher prices. With tyres almost as wide as the Ninja 650, 4 pot caliper brakes and USD front forks which are only seen on bikes in India which cost 10 times more, weight as much as the Pulsar 135 and power as much as a CBR 250!

It is really the KTM which has taken the Pulsar's Hooligan legacy forward in spirit more than the Pulsar 200NS! Pulsars were never smooth engines with such linear response that it would become difficult to gauge where the torque peaks!

The fact of the matter is, if you can promise yourself that you will never get bored of the performance offered by a stock 200NS (or with just Pirelli tyres as the sole upgrade), it is a much more VFM package from the looks of things.

But the level of versatility offered by the vastly over-engineered KTM w.r.t. future upgrades for very little investment is astounding. The way I see it, the 35k extra spent on the KTM today is something which will pay you back in a stage of ownership when you will be looking for that *something extra*. And when you eventually do reach that stage, all you need is some proficiency in TuneECU and you will have your all new hooligan! Without any need of trying to upgrade the tyres or brakes or trying any stupid weight-reduction stunts because all that was already done for you when you got the bike!

The Pulsar may be the bargain of the year with unmatched features and practically no competition in the price range, but the KTM, my friends, is the bargain of the decade with features that bikes priced much much higher can only dream of!

thanks antz.bin..really you were spot-on..
hope this clears out everything...
VFM is not always about low price..

p.s : NS200 is VFM anyday..

[rider93]

I have ridden both the bikes, the NS and the duke.
In my opinion the people who want to buy 200NS should wait a little till they can upgrade their budget by 30-35 grands and go for the duke.
The Duke is much much and way much better than the NS .
As it has some international features like Inverted forks , Aluminium die cast swingarm and a 4 PISTON FRONT CALIPER which is the most unique feature..and the best thing EUROPEAN brand (feeling of riding an international bike)..
so dont think twice just go for it if you want a performance bike in that budget..
[My advice would be that dont go for the NS, now rest is upto you. It was just an opinion from my side]

[Rohan200ns]

Well as the bike Aren't available in Bengal, so haven't got a chance to TD any of them..
But regarding the brakes, I have read Two reviews in a matter of 24 hrs, and found that Rear brakes of Duke is not Appreciated by any of them.
1st review - bike advice.in ( * there is no space in between the words)
2nd one- Sorry cant remember it now (Probably overdrive)

PS- In both the reviews, the Duke was not compared with NS, so it wud be wrong to determine if the brakes of NS are better than Duke, but it does create a Suspicion

that is what i meant friend...longer wheelbase increases stability so as a matter of fact the 200ns should be more stable than say a r15 v1..forget v2 coz its even more stable than v1(comparing r15 coz they both have perimetre frame and rectangular section swingarm) r15 stays just rock stable even at 150 speedo indicated...even more stable than 220 which itself have awesum high speed stability... But the ns even with a perimeter frame and that loooong wheelbase it is not so stable as a 220 at 120 ... So it proves that bajaj didn't get things right else why would this happen? And i refered that fz being more stable because my friend's joeled fz crosses 140 on speedo and remains rock stable that too thinner 120/80 rear tyre and despite the bike having a simple diamond frame... Thats why i said bajaj gives fancy stuffs but dont know how to make them work...they are a relatively new company and will learn as time passes by...its been hardly 10 years the bajaj started their journey as a proper bike manufacturer...they will learn from the mistakes and it is the only indian company whose future is bright and ready to take on world leaders... Tvs having b capable r&d is just sitting idle...coz they dont have the money to play trial and error...they have to get things right at one shot...
I am buying the ns within 2 months time but i think the 200ns is a confused product from bajaj... What is the purpose of the bike actually....i couldn't figure out still...
Is it a tourer? Then why is it having poor high speed stability..
Is it a streetfighter? Then why is it having low low-end torque coz street fighters need to have a sudden burst of acceleration as soon as you dump the clutch..and that high seat will make things worse in traffic(though still to test)
Is it a track bike? Then why is it having a upright riding posture...
I still find it confusing
And you said something about a bold part in your commnent...since i access from cell, i cant see any bold letters...could you plz quote that exact part...?
And vfm is somethimg personal... All bikes less than a lakh, then ns is the most vfm bike whatever segment it maybe... And more than a lakh to infinity, its duke... What i think is duke just changed the biking scenario once again in india what the pulsars did 10 years back...and the icing on the cake is that the duke is followed by another one, the 200ns... Pulsars are made to rule...

i think bajaj wanted to make ns good at everything ..they have done that .. bajaj is marketing ns as a sports bike but ns feels sporty only after mid revs .. duke feels angry and sporty even while idling .. the character of both bikes are poles apart .. u can ride ns as a commuter bike but its impossible to ride duke like that .. duke is bought by people who want to enjoy each and every ride with ultimate fun ..ns is for people who want everything in decent quantity ... after riding duke its like i dont want to ride anything else which is lesser than a ninja ...

[Eshan-P180]

i think bajaj wanted to make ns good at everything ..they have done that .. bajaj is marketing ns as a sports bike but ns feels sporty only after mid revs ..


duke feels angry and sporty even while idling .. the character of both bikes are poles apart .. u can ride ns as a commuter bike but its impossible to ride duke like that .. duke is bought by people who want to enjoy each and every ride with ultimate fun ..ns is for people who want everything in decent quantity ... after riding duke its like i dont want to ride anything else which is lesser than a ninja ...

Bajaj said and achieved it, be it in mid revs or higher revs or absolutely no revs

Angry and sporty?

Sporty a naked bike? You kidding right? And how angry can it get, i want to see its anger, OMG Rohan, I mean Seriously are you running a Anti NS Campaign by having a Duke with an ID of NS. Now that' rich!

[antz.bin]

that is what i meant friend...longer wheelbase increases stability so as a matter of fact the 200ns should be more stable than say a r15 v1..forget v2 coz its even more stable than v1(comparing r15 coz they both have perimetre frame and rectangular section swingarm) r15 stays just rock stable even at 150 speedo indicated...even more stable than 220 which itself have awesum high speed stability... But the ns even with a perimeter frame and that loooong wheelbase it is not so stable as a 220 at 120 ... So it proves that bajaj didn't get things right else why would this happen? And i refered that fz being more stable because my friend's joeled fz crosses 140 on speedo and remains rock stable that too thinner 120/80 rear tyre and despite the bike having a simple diamond frame... Thats why i said bajaj gives fancy stuffs but dont know how to make them work...they are a relatively new company and will learn as time passes by...its been hardly 10 years the bajaj started their journey as a proper bike manufacturer...they will learn from the mistakes and it is the only indian company whose future is bright and ready to take on world leaders... Tvs having b capable r&d is just sitting idle...coz they dont have the money to play trial and error...they have to get things right at one shot...
I am buying the ns within 2 months time but i think the 200ns is a confused product from bajaj... What is the purpose of the bike actually....i couldn't figure out still...
Is it a tourer? Then why is it having poor high speed stability..
Is it a streetfighter? Then why is it having low low-end torque coz street fighters need to have a sudden burst of acceleration as soon as you dump the clutch..and that high seat will make things worse in traffic(though still to test)
Is it a track bike? Then why is it having a upright riding posture...
I still find it confusing
And you said something about a bold part in your commnent...since i access from cell, i cant see any bold letters...could you plz quote that exact part...?
And vfm is somethimg personal... All bikes less than a lakh, then ns is the most vfm bike whatever segment it maybe... And more than a lakh to infinity, its duke... What i think is duke just changed the biking scenario once again in india what the pulsars did 10 years back...and the icing on the cake is that the duke is followed by another one, the 200ns... Pulsars are made to rule...

I am sorry but could you please mention a source for your claim highlighted in bold? Also do you mean to say that R15 V2 is more stable than a P220 (which has a smaller fairing, longer wheelbase, and higher weight than R15 v2) in crosswinds near top speed? If yes do you mind explaining how Yamaha made this technical wonder possible? If not, please enlighten us how you define 'High Speed Stability' because my definition definitely doesn't match with yours.

About the bit in Blue, the straightline stability in P200NS is lower than the P220 due to its lower weight and mass centralization which helps in easier flickability. So, as you can see, there are pros and cons of doing anything. Its all about getting the correct combination from the intended buyer's perspective. About your several questions and confusions, I am sure you yourself will clear it up for us when your bike gets delivered.

[Rohan200ns]

Bajaj said and achieved it, be it in mid revs or higher revs or absolutely no revs

Angry and sporty?

Sporty a naked bike? You kidding right? And how angry can it get, i want to see its anger, OMG Rohan, I mean Seriously are you running a Anti NS Campaign by having a Duke with an ID of NS. Now that' rich!

i joined xbhp when i had booked ns ,, hence the id .. i bought duke after testing ns ..
naked bikes cant be sporty ? havent u seen any naked superbikes ??... just read the latest track test article by overdrive .. duke absolutely monsters out every other bike on track (except the ninjas and the other superbikes obviously ) ...my personal views - ns feels like a commuter after riding duke ...
i have a lot of respect for bajaj for their constant effort in bringing out new products... i mean , look at hero moto corp , they have done nothing new after launching karizma almost a decade ago..just the same old stickering stuffs and mix matches ..

[Rahulbarik]

I am sorry but could you please mention a source for your claim highlighted in bold? Also do you mean to say that R15 V2 is more stable than a P220 (which has a smaller fairing, longer wheelbase, and higher weight than R15 v2) in crosswinds near top speed? If yes do you mind explaining how Yamaha made this technical wonder possible? If not, please enlighten us how you define 'High Speed Stability' because my definition definitely doesn't match with yours.

About the bit in Blue, the straightline stability in P200NS is lower than the P220 due to its lower weight and mass centralization which helps in easier flickability. So, as you can see, there are pros and cons of doing anything. Its all about getting the correct combination from the intended buyer's perspective. About your several questions and confusions, I am sure you yourself will clear it up for us when your bike gets delivered.

i dont know about technical marvel man but since i have ridden both the bikes, for me its r15 which is more stable than 220 at high speeds where the 220 needs to be tamed whereas the r15 has some incredible stability of its own....(personal opinion) i am not an anti bajaj guy but that is what i felt... I haven't ridden the ns but hearing from reviews that it looses some stability after 120... The fz with lighter weight and naked looks without any fairing stays rock stable even on 130...and starts to get a bit lighter at 140... So how come the ns loose stability at 120 when bikes with lighter weight stays rock stable... (the fz is fully modded and capable of 145 on speedo)
P.S. Please dont change the font to bolds coz i cant see them...instead change the color as you did it in blue)