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Which is another reason why we should stop buying stupid upgrades AND advocate stupid upgrades

honestly speaking yes we are to be blamed too, with unrealistic expectations of power and fuel efficiency. There are enough threads running here where people want power to go up while FE to remain same to say the least. But that is not the point here.

These kids will learn over time what to expect what not to. They can't have a 130 bhp monster giving 50 ka average.

But when will the manufacturers learn? They are just being obtuse. Because they know they can earn enough profits by being obtuse. They don't want to take risks. Unless, like i mentioned, they are about to die.

And it is not that bike makers here are first off the block. World wide every manufacturer followed the same route. Single cylinder behemoths and then multiple cylinders. But here we are stuck at being single cell organisms.

And those who tell me about bandit forget it is 200 percent more costly than the ninja. If you know anything about marketing that is enough void there to fill with the ego of mayawati and still leave some room for a Nimitz class ship. When in the 150-200 cc for every 2 grands there is another model. All vying for your attention.

I just want there to be enough options for everyone. To those who have money a Ducati to a Moto Morini. For me enough options in tourers and pocket rockets. A middle ground 60-70 bhp bike with good chasis and better lights will do just fine.

Superbly put !!! There is nothing in between the sea of commuter bikes and the mighty superbikes that cost an arm, a leg and both your kidney's today, taking exception to the ninja 250R (thats just been here for less than a year).

Waiting for the markets to open up and see more multicylinder bikes from others.... but i guess it'll take more time.

We are a minority. Manufacturers make money and stay in business by making millions of bikes for aam janta. How will they earn their bread, butter and omellete making powerful bikes for a handful of enthusiasts?

Very true. I'm sure most of us laughed when TATA wanted to make the small car or even a car for that matter. The only transportation vehicle they were good at were trucks. Thats what came to mind, when someone mentioned TATA.

+99999999. I cant recollect how many limited editions Santro has launched in just one year. New paint scheme, "snazzy" (read as ugly) graphics, restyled tail-lamps (even the civic has the sport edition with stickers and a spoiler... thats it !!! ), chrome exhaust tip, etc. For bikes, new tail unit, graphics, alloy wheels for even the basic legacy bike (HH splendor i guess) etc.

Yeah! We have been through this. And we are going through this. And we will go through this. Market is in a flux. It will remain so for quite a while. We all know it. Some of us are feeling frustrated just like you. Because we are born in an age where instant gratification is not fast enough. Evidently you will come up with an instant answer to that too. We do not have a mature motorcycling market. Hence things are slow here. And will continue to be so for time longer than you can probably imagine. Your wish for a 60bhp engine motorcycle indigenously developed and manufactured in India will not be coming in your youth at least. That is the way I foresee "evolution" of our motorcycle market. At best, you can hope to see a 30bhp bike in a year or so going up to maybe 40bhp in the coming decade. By that time your youth is over!

Ps; You have once again written pretty decently!

Just for Information, they are selling the outdated 2008 Bandit model in our country!

Some of the many things to be worked upon before launching a bike >>

1) Design
2) R&D Investments
3) Prototype Testing
4) Validation
5) Vendor Development and finalization
6) Land for manufacturing.. or new plaform to be created
7) Dies and moulds - Petrol Tank, Chassis, Castings
8) Jigs and Fixtures - For virtually everything of bike
9) Assembly lines
10) Welding equipements
11) Paint Booth
12) Manpower trainnings
12) Advertising and Marketing
13) Dealer upgradation for Service back up
14) Spares availability
15) Supply Chain

I have broadly put the steps involved in launching a bike. And there are many more steps in between.. which are beyond the scope of this thread.. And there are CRORES spent to launch a new bike from scratch. And after all this.. if a company finds that there is very small share for this bike.. then still if company continues.. Its suicidal.

You forgot homologation!

why cant our manufacturers make a decent middle segment 250/500 in-line twin? is it cost factor (Manufacturing)? our bikes like P-220 & ZMR can easily take a 250/500 twin engine and perform well with very minor modifications to the chassis & tyres.

Forty6 : Brilliant. Simply Stunning.
inflammable: very true brother. very true

Ohh the charity crap.

Am i saying price it lower than what it costs you? I am saying give me a product that is within my budget. And my budget is more than what you sell to masses and lesser than what the super rich have. That is all.
I know none of them are here for charity. VW is losing quite a few grands on every polo they sell, heck they lose quite a few of them big ones on every Bugatti they are selling, am not asking people here to do something like that. But just getting products that we want.
About ninja, honestly speaking Bajaj never imagined it will do so well, no matter what the sales targets are.

@Ken: It is not about instant gratification, it is about seeing progress. My frustration is with this discriminatory and scared-to-experiment nature. And if the barbs of my friend are to be believed at 30, next year, my youth is over. :P
thanks for commendation. much appreciated.

Thanks for pointing that

the process you have described is true for every bike you make, not just a 400 cc or 600 cc. A new platform or engine cost millions true. But they all have shelf lifes too. Hero honda has been using the same 100cc engine for the time i was born. Before that Honda used it since my dad was born. Haven't they recovered cost already?

And one more thing, it is called part sharing. The entire pulsar range shares most of the parts, that is one reason it is cheaper than the competition. The entire VW group does it.

And, i mean seriously, we have put satellites up there and are planning to put a man up the moon, so it is not "that" tough.
The checklists are to make sure you do a process efficiently, not to look at it and say "dan this looks tough, let's chuck it".

And there are more hints of there being enough market there at xbhp than anywhere else.

I understand and know your point perfectly well. And I have ranted in my years too. But I have had my shares of RD and the like. I am telling you, if you have the moolah now, invest in the market, wait for two years. With the money you have made, go and get yourself a honest to goodness real Sbk! Coz your 70bhp is not happening anytime quick here!

+10000000000000; very very true;

And you forgot about RE!!! For the kind of fans they've, they should've been competing with Triumph by now!!!

That Kicked ASS of every Bike manufacturers out in Indian Market. Too GOOD!!!

I can connect to some of those feelings you mention Reminiscent of my own experiences with the same manufacturers you mention.


@aargee

35-40HP bikes ?? 2 decades ago ? I recall the RD. And its not 35BHP. Any mass produced bike that made 40 horses here in India in late 80s ? Forgive me I was still in kindergarten back then