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**sunilg** · 12-20-2010, 12:27 PM

Query approved.

**MSN1** · 12-20-2010, 12:31 PM

Sounds interesting,

Cars have dry clutch where as most of the bikes has the wet clutch

Waiting to see what our experts opinion

**Honda_CBF** · 03-08-2011, 07:24 PM

There's another thread about using BORIC ACID IN PETROL in the same site, thread starter is the same guy. I guess we can think of using that. Sorry guys I'm not able to give any link to that.
And I've used boric acid+fuel in my kinetic Honda. (fuel: means petrol+recommended ratio of 2t)
results are: lowered smoke, lowered vibes, extremely smoth engine and there was no carbon build up at the tip of spark plug.
Cons are it won't mix with petrol you have to sake the scoot so that it can distribute in well ratio with petrol in the tank or else the Boric acid power will settle to the bottom and you have to Get your carb cleaned 'cause it will also get stuck into the jets....

**MSN1** · 03-18-2011, 10:12 PM

1. ) wondered as that plays a vital role why none of the major oil manufacturers tried it till ?

2. ) ask the actual guy who invented this mixture to prove and patent right the technology ?

we should see how it helps and spoils the engine in a long run

Since boron treated metal surface becomes corrosion resistant, that means parts wont mate continually and it will keep the parts like in the new bike

tell me engine core components such as bore and piston matting is good for the bike or not ?

@ Honda_CBF, as you listed the demerits it sounds if you don't shake properly it will spoil vital components

if you are always a good cocktail maker continue shaking
else
sooner you will have to pay price for changing the components you
mentioned.

**kasperrmat** · 03-18-2011, 10:27 PM

boric acid.....

Hey guys, there is already a product by the name "MOTOR SILK: in us......which uses boric acid and is already patented.

MotorSilk, LubriSilk, Biodegradable Engine & Motor Treatment Lubricants, Motor Silk, Boron CLS Bond Lubricants - Evergreen America Corporation

Now,i request you not to use the boric acid as this is confined only to "DRY CLUTCH" transmission.

But for cars/heavy vehicles this is great product,as one treatment lasts 1,25,000 miles...wow

**psr** · 03-18-2011, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Honda_CBF View Post

There's another thread about using BORIC ACID IN PETROL in the same site, thread starter is the same guy. I guess we can think of using that. Sorry guys I'm not able to give any link to that.
And I've used boric acid+fuel in my kinetic Honda. (fuel: means petrol+recommended ratio of 2t)
results are: lowered smoke, lowered vibes, extremely smoth engine and there was no carbon build up at the tip of spark plug.
Cons are it won't mix with petrol you have to sake the scoot so that it can distribute in well ratio with petrol in the tank or else the Boric acid power will sink to the bottom and you have to Get your carb cleaned 'cause it will also get stuck into the jets....

If your filter in the petrol line is fine grade then the boric acid will form a paste like form and plug fuel flow...assuming it does reach the carburetor, then the jets will not be able to flow better as it accumulates in the float bowl,leading to lean AFR , and blockage later.
It is better to use it in the engine oil in 4 stroke vehicles .
This is something which from the World War II the Japs and the Germans had been trying to perfect. They understood the working but never got the particle size right.Argone Labs have done a lot of work in this...here is a link:
Nano-boric acid makes motor oil more slippery

**princesirohi** · 03-18-2011, 10:42 PM

i can never dare to try anythiing like that on my bike.........untill the said research is complete and some company comes out with a commercial product.

**psr** · 03-19-2011, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

i can never dare to try anythiing like that on my bike.........untill the said research is complete and some company comes out with a commercial product.

I had ,over the years,used both in my bikes and cars and also in my friend's bikes and cars,with good result. The important thing is to get good quality Boric Acid .Never try in petrol line or with OIL tank of 2t in TWO stroke bikes.It will become like a paste and stop flow.

**Honda_CBF** · 03-19-2011, 04:04 PM

@ Honda_CBF, as you listed the demerits it sounds if you don't shake properly it will spoil vital components

if you are always a good cocktail maker continue shaking
else
sooner you will have to pay price for changing the components you
mentioned.[/QUOTE]

it didn't mixed well because i didn't followed the procedure.
Boric acid is soluble in alcohol, so one have to get acetone or ethanol & mix Boric acid in it, & then this solution in petrol. Then it will work w/o problem.
One question is RUM soluble in petrol?

**Honda_CBF** · 03-19-2011, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

If your filter in the petrol line is fine grade then the boric acid will form a paste like form and plug fuel flow...assuming it does reach the carburetor, then the jets will not be able to flow better as it accumulates in the float bowl,leading to lean AFR , and blockage later.
It is better to use it in the engine oil in 4 stroke vehicles .
This is something which from the World War II the Japs and the Germans had been trying to perfect. They understood the working but never got the particle size right.Argone Labs have done a lot of work in this...here is a link:
Nano-boric acid makes motor oil more slippery

my kinetic Honda don't have fuel filter i guess.
And also i won't recommend any one use this in engines oil because 1.it will make your clutch slip.
2.it forms a layer of boron on inside components, think of it blocking small but crucial passage ways for oil.
It can lead to heart attack, to you & your step.

**vkuchhal** · 03-19-2011, 04:22 PM

I have used boric acid +castrol engine oil in my earlier bike.. but did not see any major change in the performance..

IMHO, i think this combination make the oil a much thinner.

After trying this combination , i shifted to Motul mineral oil and bike was very smooth(do not know was it the effect of oil or boric acid+old oil) which had sticked to the engine to make it smooth.

**Honda_CBF** · 03-19-2011, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

I had ,over the years,used both in my bikes and cars and also in my friend's bikes and cars,with good result. The important thing is to get good quality Boric Acid .Never try in petrol line or with OIL tank of 2t in TWO stroke bikes.It will become like a paste and stop flow.

need your help sir I'm unable to mix Boric acid with petrol. What's your procedure?

**psr** · 03-20-2011, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Honda_CBF View Post

need your help sir I'm unable to mix Boric acid with petrol. What's your procedure?

DO NOT use it with Petrol..it will lead to problems of petrol lines getting clogged.

**psr** · 03-20-2011, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Honda_CBF View Post

my kinetic Honda don't have fuel filter i guess.
And also i won't recommend any one use this in engines oil because 1.it will make your clutch slip.
2.it forms a layer of boron on inside components, think of it blocking small but crucial passage ways for oil.
It can lead to heart attack, to you & your step.

I had used it in the KB100 and now in ZMA without problem....but the mix and quantity are critical....would advise against it's usage if you have doubts..

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