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  • Originally posted by Rahul.Gvli View Post
    Not like that actually, What about DTSi technology and ExhausTEC ??
    Talking about tghis one, I guess it's world's first bike with 3-spark plugs...
    How will Bajaj copy idea that really doesn't exist..!?
    No offence to any one here
    Just my share of knowledge
    Bajaj does not have the tech to induct the charge and get it burned completely Unlike KTM with same cylinder head with 1 spark plug to hide this fact they have to introduce 3 spark plugs because of high compression ratio

    to further strengthen the case if u remember the tumble flow induction sticker on CBZ xtreme which Honda has developed to induct the charge and for the flame to propagate and burn and extract the power from the charge. So how does KTM do it with the same specs?

    KTM has racing genes while bajaj has no Racing History In India so they rely on either benchmarking or copying (no offense), racing ones product helps company in advancement of technology which sadly TVS has from a long time in Motocross in India but they could not capitalize on that front
    Japanese,European manufacturers have been racing in one format or another and they are able to offer Incredible products because of the know how of highest level of tech in extreme environment against other competitors

    yet Indians are fooled by Marketing gimmick and flashy things while the real thing is they just lag in every part of tech
    P180 Fork issues were brushed away under the carpet, P150 Tank issues also hidden from mass media or was it hand in glove this is sadly killing Indian mentality right now we as biking brother hood should force them (any manufacturer) to give us proper product instead of following blindly
    as we spend a lot of money to buy this products and any rightfully earned money should be worth spending instead of sulking later

    Bajaj of course is Marketing gimmick if u can see they rely on outside world for tech while in house they just have a handful of knowledgeable people
    Glynn Kerr who is a consultant, Yamaha India Ex CEO was also hired by them as a consultant,

    Now if Bajaj categorised This so called Sports bike what will R15 be then Supersport bike? or if their new design philosophy is naked city bikes then FZ be categorized as what?

    and am yet to hear any product from japanese/indian manufacturers apart from Bajaj which has injured or fatally damaged a rider who ride their bikes sadly Bajaj has complaints in this category.

    peace i don't tend to offend anyone i like Bajaj but a substandard product is just not acceptable

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    • It REALLY doesn't matter what fuel is used in these small bikes(PuNS/KTM) as even the SBKs run just fine the normal fuel only.

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      • Originally posted by sidmclaren View Post
        No offence to any one here
        Just my share of knowledge
        Bajaj does not have the tech to induct the charge and get it burned completely Unlike KTM with same cylinder head with 1 spark plug to hide this fact they have to introduce 3 spark plugs because of high compression ratio

        to further strengthen the case if u remember the tumble flow induction sticker on CBZ xtreme which Honda has developed to induct the charge and for the flame to propagate and burn and extract the power from the charge. So how does KTM do it with the same specs?

        KTM has racing genes while bajaj has no Racing History In India so they rely on either benchmarking or copying (no offense), racing ones product helps company in advancement of technology which sadly TVS has from a long time in Motocross in India but they could not capitalize on that front
        Japanese,European manufacturers have been racing in one format or another and they are able to offer Incredible products because of the know how of highest level of tech in extreme environment against other competitors

        yet Indians are fooled by Marketing gimmick and flashy things while the real thing is they just lag in every part of tech
        P180 Fork issues were brushed away under the carpet, P150 Tank issues also hidden from mass media or was it hand in glove this is sadly killing Indian mentality right now we as biking brother hood should force them (any manufacturer) to give us proper product instead of following blindly
        as we spend a lot of money to buy this products and any rightfully earned money should be worth spending instead of sulking later

        Bajaj of course is Marketing gimmick if u can see they rely on outside world for tech while in house they just have a handful of knowledgeable people
        Glynn Kerr who is a consultant, Yamaha India Ex CEO was also hired by them as a consultant,

        Now if Bajaj categorised This so called Sports bike what will R15 be then Supersport bike? or if their new design philosophy is naked city bikes then FZ be categorized as what?

        and am yet to hear any product from japanese/indian manufacturers apart from Bajaj which has injured or fatally damaged a rider who ride their bikes sadly Bajaj has complaints in this category.

        peace i don't tend to offend anyone i like Bajaj but a substandard product is just not acceptable



        Dear,
        We know the manufacturers's history in our country better than the one in other countries.
        I feel may be the scenario in other developed contires was worsen than in India which did pushed the respective governments to tighten the laws.

        Hence I hope we may follow the same lit. early than others...

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        • Originally posted by s_hari View Post
          News to rejoy...

          : Bajaj Auto, the county's second-largest two-wheeler maker, will launch bigger and more powerful Pulsar and KTM motorcycle models in the 200cc to 700 cc range over the next few years to take on rivals Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki and build on its leadership position in the premium motorcycle space.

          Bajaj aims to position the Pulsar in the value-for-money sports bike segment and Austrian partner KTM's motorcycles at the premium end of the market.

          "We share the same development process with KTM, so you can expect there will be 'a much bigger Pulsar' next year, because we think the market is at an inflection point (at the premium end) and we are in a good position to take advantage with these two brands," managing director Rajiv Bajaj said.

          Bajaj said the company will come out with 350cc Pulsar next year and it is exploring even bigger motorcycles under the Pulsar brand. "There will be a 350 cc Duke next year, so you can expect something similar with the Pulsar next year. And going forward, in 2014-15 there will be even bigger KTM and even bigger Pulsar," Bajaj said.

          The company is gearing up with the capacity of 1 00,000 units at its Chakan plant to cater the new range of Pulsars and KTM motorcycles. On Monday, Bajaj unveiled its Pulsar 200 NS (naked sport), which will compete against Yamaha R15 and Honda CBR 250R. The motorcycle is likely to be priced below Rs 1 lakh.

          The launch followed KTM bringing in its Duke 200 last week with a price tag of Rs 1.16 lakh. Both motorcycles have been jointly developed by Bajaj and KTM. The two companies are likely to jointly bring in 350 cc and 690 cc motorcycles under the Bajaj banner over the next few years. The joint R&D for vehicle and engine development will help the company to maintain the cost and help itself maintain a 20% EBIDTA margins

          And the price positioning will be similar in bigger models for Pulsar and KTM, the Indian brand at the lower end and KTM at the premium end.

          The next generation Pulsar motorcycles (200cc, 350 cc and above) will co-exist with the current range of Pulsars. With bigger motorcycles expected from the Japanese competition, experts say this Bajaj-KTM twin strategy should work for the company to cater to different end of the market.

          Bajaj said the new motorcycles would help the company increase market share to 30-32%, from 26% now, as the market for premium-end motorcycles is expanding fast.

          Experts say that with a rise in disposable income, the number of buyers will grow, but the segment will continue to be niche as the price bracket exceeds Rs 1 lakh.

          "The market is growing, yet it forms less than 1% of the overall motorcycle market in the country. The sports bike category will continue to grow in double digits and there will be takers, yet it will form only 1%-2% of the market and it will be niche category, at least in the medium term," said Mahantesh Sabarad, auto analyst with Fortune Broking.

          Bajaj Auto, which has an export turnover of nearly 6,500 crore with almost 1.5 million vehicles shipped annually sees the similar strategy being played out in the global markets too.

          "I think this strategy of KTM-Pulsar acting together in the sports segment is a valid strategy anywhere in the world not just in India. We will look at leveraging this in many of our overseas markets in Latin America, Africa and South East Asia," said Bajaj.

          Source : Bajaj Auto plans bigger Pulsar & KTM motorcycle models to take on rivals Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki - The Economic Times
          So the news is official now. Now u all know why P200NS has Perimeter frame .
          Street racing is for Squids trying to make up for their small equipment

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          • Originally posted by sidmclaren View Post
            No offence to any one here
            Just my share of knowledge
            Bajaj does not have the tech to induct the charge and get it burned completely Unlike KTM with same cylinder head with 1 spark plug to hide this fact they have to introduce 3 spark plugs because of high compression ratio

            to further strengthen the case if u remember the tumble flow induction sticker on CBZ xtreme which Honda has developed to induct the charge and for the flame to propagate and burn and extract the power from the charge. So how does KTM do it with the same specs?

            KTM has racing genes while bajaj has no Racing History In India so they rely on either benchmarking or copying (no offense), racing ones product helps company in advancement of technology which sadly TVS has from a long time in Motocross in India but they could not capitalize on that front
            Japanese,European manufacturers have been racing in one format or another and they are able to offer Incredible products because of the know how of highest level of tech in extreme environment against other competitors

            yet Indians are fooled by Marketing gimmick and flashy things while the real thing is they just lag in every part of tech
            P180 Fork issues were brushed away under the carpet, P150 Tank issues also hidden from mass media or was it hand in glove this is sadly killing Indian mentality right now we as biking brother hood should force them (any manufacturer) to give us proper product instead of following blindly
            as we spend a lot of money to buy this products and any rightfully earned money should be worth spending instead of sulking later

            Bajaj of course is Marketing gimmick if u can see they rely on outside world for tech while in house they just have a handful of knowledgeable people
            Glynn Kerr who is a consultant, Yamaha India Ex CEO was also hired by them as a consultant,

            Now if Bajaj categorised This so called Sports bike what will R15 be then Supersport bike? or if their new design philosophy is naked city bikes then FZ be categorized as what?

            and am yet to hear any product from japanese/indian manufacturers apart from Bajaj which has injured or fatally damaged a rider who ride their bikes sadly Bajaj has complaints in this category.

            peace i don't tend to offend anyone i like Bajaj but a substandard product is just not acceptable
            No offense taken but seriously dude, were you smoking weed while typing this?

            Regarding complaints, almost all manufacturers have complaints against each of the models that they introduce. That does not mean that the product can be washed off or is a wasted product.

            Bajaj holds patents to most of the technology that they have perfected and introduced on their bikes. Wonder what makes you call it as a marketing gimmick.

            As regards to racing, TVS have been racing for well over a decade now but just how many innovations are found on their products? Are TVS products without their share of issues?

            I do agree that racing might just give Bajaj a faster time to market on their new technologies but deciding on whether to enter the competitive scene is a part of their company strategy which we have no control on.
            Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

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              • Originally posted by unsafe_pilot1 View Post
                Thanks for the info.


                But i want to know the compression ratio of Pulsar 200 ns and which fuel is best suited for this bike ?

                Also one look at the technical specs confirms that it is a highly stressed engine (23.5 bhp from a 200cc engine and THREE spark plugs!!) and due to this the ELF (Engine Life Factor = 100,000 divided by compression ratio x max rpm) of the NS would be much lesser than, say the Karizma's (17 bhp from a 223 cc motor). Any engine that has been squeezed to within an inch of it's life in order to extract maximum performance out of it shall not last as long as a low revving, relaxed engine (Q. Why do we see 40 year old Bullets still merrily thumping along? A. 18 bhp @ 5625 rpm from a 350cc block). But let's see what modern technology with ultra close engine tolerances does for the NS.
                If engineering is better no need to have more volume in combustion chamber to ensure life in my opinion.
                Do you think Hero will build another 500 cc engine that red lines at 8.5 k rpm and develops 25 hp and ensures long life?

                If what you said is the science:
                a 3L engine on Tata Sumo which makes almost 75 hourses must last longer than a 1.6 verna crdi or 2L Cruze ? Is it so?

                Can you explain me how is number of spark plugs affecting life?
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                • I think they will launch the bike with price tag of ~ 89K ex-showroom.
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                  • I had been to the Bajaj showroom near my area and they said that the bookings start next week. The sales guy even took my number and said he'll let me know when to come over...
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                    • Originally posted by redlag
                      I guess it's some sort of unofficial booking. IDK the whole exact details but the price is what i told you.
                      Oh kay... I'll call Sitaram Bajaj near me tomorrow. Today is sunday..!
                      I'll ask 'em about it..!
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                      • Originally posted by HarishK View Post
                        Does anyone know about the tires used in P200NS, are they Soft-Compound?
                        i think soft compound tyres and braided steel hose brake lines and projector headlamps are all now specially reserved for current gen p220 only at least for the time being i guess and may be we can see all those features in the on coming p220 replacement which is p200 NS's full faired twin. And about whether there is soft compound tire on p200ns for now , i am not sure i have no definite idea...we'll see when the time comes...although my mind believes that p200ns, as it is a street oriented naked sports model with more emphasis on practical usage in virtually all roads (i meant as per current indian city & urban road conditions) i think there wont be any need for soft compound tyres since it lacks practicality and seem to have more wear and tear even though it provides more stickiness and control...But @ the same time i believe, they 'll provide the fully fairing model with soft compound rubbers as it'll be more focused towards highway usage like the current 220 and could also come out with even more better top end like that off 220 to complement the different environment that it'll get used in...and better top end will require more road grip and hence chances of soft compound tyres comes to the mind like on the p220.hmm like i said, time will tell...

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                        • any upgrades for the smaller pulsars? anyone??

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                          • Originally posted by Dman View Post
                            i think soft compound tyres and braided steel hose brake lines and projector headlamps are all now specially reserved for current gen p220 only at least for the time being i guess and may be we can see all those features in the on coming p220 replacement which is p200 NS's full faired twin. And about whether there is soft compound tire on p200ns for now , i am not sure i have no definite idea...we'll see when the time comes...although my mind believes that p200ns, as it is a street oriented naked sports model with more emphasis on practical usage in virtually all roads (i meant as per current indian city & urban road conditions) i think there wont be any need for soft compound tyres since it lacks practicality and seem to have more wear and tear even though it provides more stickiness and control...But @ the same time i believe, they 'll provide the fully fairing model with soft compound rubbers as it'll be more focused towards highway usage like the current 220 and could also come out with even more better top end like that off 220 to complement the different environment that it'll get used in...and better top end will require more road grip and hence chances of soft compound tyres comes to the mind like on the p220.hmm like i said, time will tell...

                            To fully take advantage of new frame and suspension set-up, soft compound is required. 220 stock MRF rubber offers decent number of miles before giving up. There is no point in going back in time with rubber after all this rubber. I think production version will sport an MRF soft.

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                            MG,Can you clarify this, is self cancelling indicators are going out with NS? Switch in above pic by you looks like a rather conventional stuff!Previous switch for turn indicators where better.(Yes I know this switch and the RVMs are not used my most owners in Pune, I even thought that's why 220 have a set of elbow reflectors instead of RVMs) .

                            Also it will be great if you/or any one can tell something about what are the features new in the clock/console..
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                            • Apart from booking issue of 200ns, I have something very offbeat to say.

                              When I saw this bike very first time, I simply loved the styling... (like 99% xBhpian did...) But after passing through the images time to time, I came across the fact that how complex (or read... complicated!) the design is. Check out some sort of under seat portion or headlight design, u cant express it with simple lines.

                              BTW, when M&M launched XUV Five Oh Ohh, same happened to me. Styling was undisputed great, but letdown by overdone bumper design. I heartily feels that, M&M should toned down the bumpers for more indigenous looking SUV. I know many takers of Mistubishi Pajero or very own Tata Safari, just for their looks. (Pajero is nearly 30 years & Safari is nearly 15 years old design... but as said, simplicity lives for eternity.) They had very practical exterior, and very minimal make ups. Till if somebody give me choice to pick between XUV & Safari, I will definitely go to Safari... just for its plane Jane looks. (Its my personal view & no offence to XUV indeed.)

                              Now, back to our bikes. Some questions come to my mind:

                              Do we Indian always likes shining, sparkling, flimsy, overdone design & hardly recognize the beauty in simplicity?

                              If this pulsar gonna big hit (Ya, it will be...), will we see more & more over designed, wedge shaped, triangular, trapezoidal etc etc bikes coming in future?

                              Did other manufacturer (read TVS) follow the Bajaj footprint & launches bikes with more effort on radical design than on hardcore engineering of engine & gearbox???

                              I write up this post because, I m feeling that all of our mindset is shifting to radicalization of exterior than sheer practicality and sober looks.

                              Your views are welcome.

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                              • Originally posted by kochumvk View Post
                                It will be great if you/or any one can tell something about what are the features new in the clock/console..
                                Ya me too want to know this. About the console.
                                Does it boost a clock?
                                What are those two black switches under the RPM meter?
                                MG, please reply to this.
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