glad you aint one of the poster collection boys! I honestly could not guess the bikes you were talking about. Had to go to your blog.

But still pardon me for being slightly dumb. I never get implied things. Straight in the face will do. So which bike is the legend in YOUR context?

The Bajaj Discover.

@soulstation: We are talking about all Bajaj bikes here,not only the Pulsar.

We're going seriously OT
C'mon,mate read the thread before you reply. Did I ever say otherwise?
Either you have some difficulty with english or you need to get those coolers off your eyes


Now my last dying breath {in a very hoarse voice. can't scream any more }

I'm quite sure you haven't. nor did you get the message across.
let me help you.
square-> bore/stroke =1
squarer-> closer to square in a comparison
latest generation bajaj bike -> xcd 135
xcd 125 bore/stroke =54/54.4 = .99
xcd bore/stroke = 54/58.8 = .91
zma bore/stroke = 65.5/66.2 = .98
evidently zma {closer to square} wrt xcd. But I don't mean it's square.
and bajaj is moving away from square with it's latest offering.{probably due to different requirement in different segment. But i don't care nonetheless}

For those others who care about the topic
All problems apart, The pulsar is on top of my list of modern bikes in india.

I'm outta here. I'm dead
@insanebiker
maybe, how about parley?
what is the point of ourselves arguing on entirely OT stuff

Then what was ur point in the first place? Asking for a short stroke motor?


U need not worry about that. Sensible points hit my head the first time i read them

If u didnt want to argue why bother to reply


Topic : As far as my automobile knowledge goes, i still havent heard anything like "Squarer" engines. Maybe it s a layman's term. But technically, i have heard of OverSquare, UnderSquare and Square only

Yeah exactly. coz their latest offering (xcd) dosen't have one
maybe wasn't directed at you. [I didn't reply to you. I quoted you in a public forum as a reason for my statement]
Can't you see, it isn't a technical term. meant it literally .
Jargons are made. They aren't taught.

Why do you reply to everything OT and leave thread subjects in my post?
I'm actually beginning to like these arguments. why don't we move it from this thread and continue somewhere else?

C'mon guys... everyone understood what he meant by "squarer"...

Anyway... I think its too early to call any Bajaj motorcycle a legend. Maybe Chetak.

Thx mate, really appreciate it. Some people just don't give up. let's wish them luck
+1 to that

And i am still waiting

Going by that logic , wish yourself some good luck.

Mods : Please pardon me for this OT post Couldnt resist myself

Chetak surely is a legend...

Great question! I just think people still consider Bajaj as a scooter manufacture. I own a 180 UG3 and hope to keep it till I die, never get irriatted of it and keep repairing it whenever somting goes wrong, what say?

How about M-80???

Yea the rickshaw and the Chetak are legends Bajaj has produced have so many good memories of Dad's Chetak and all the places he took me on it. And finally thought me how to Ride geared two wheelers on that very scooter.. and me insipired by Micky Doohan, Rainey and Schwantz would try and lean that scooter.hehehe. Well as far tha P180 classic had it for 9 months rode for about 18000 kms on that decided it sucked and sold it for a Bullet electra and forgot about it.

My views are as follows on Six Indian two wheeler Legends:

A - The original legends

1. RE Bullet 350/500
2. Escorts Rajdoot 175
3. Escorts RD 350

B - Mass Legends

4. Bajaj Chetak
5. HH CD 100

C - Modern Legends

6. HH Classic CBZ

All the above have influenced/touched millions of Indians and their modern iterations/ follow-up models are only improving upon the values set up by them. Though some people also swear by old Jawa/Yezdi 350, RX100 and ZMA to include them in the category of legends.

I think that Bajaj is underestimated and misrepresented when it comes to legend status. Chetaks M80s and ricks are legendary, in that they put people on wheels. In the bikes department, however, Bajaj was never quite exceptional enough to attain mainstream legend status. But there are and always will be owners who swear by their Bajaj rides, and still get excited when they see the old 'Hamara Bajaj' ads on Youtube.

I've had a KB125, and I can tell you that it was crappy in the engine department. That disc valve setup made it almost impossible to tune it for real performance, and about the only thing you could do was to take out the exhaust baffles or fit a tuned expansion chamber. The stock model had decent fuel-mileage, and was punchy, but nothing spectacular.

But truly, the chassis was something else. Longest in class wheelbase, with wide (for the time) tyres front and rear, with wonderful brakes. I've been in some scary situations on that bike (mostly because I was riding too fast and too hard) and it pulled me out, every single time. It was rock-solid even at its top speeds.

Really, why isn't the KB100 legendary? It was the most substantial bike, had a unique growling engine with good power across the range, fantastic electricals, complete instruments and the best brakes and tyres. I'd even say that it was the most contemporary looking. The famed RX was still a 70s bike. I wholeheartedly agree that the RX's engine was loads better, but the KB was a much better all rounder. Ever tried riding an old RX at night, with it's tiny 6 volt 25W headlight? Or tried braking hard on a wet road on stock 2.75 rubber?

And that sweet chassis formed the basis for the Caliber. I agree that the Caliber had its share of engine problems until K-Tec, but it was better than anything else when it came to the chassis and kit. Bajaj never skimped on things like instruments or tyre size or headlights (45W). The Caliber Croma was the first in its class to offer a disc brake, and the Caliber 115 was the first 100cc class four-stroke to touch 100kph. And it had one of the smoothest engines in the market.

Then came the Pulsar, which again broke new ground by giving Indians affordable performance. For a long time, it was the only bike to offer disc brakes as standard, and electric start as an option. Not to mention it was a bomb to ride, both versions. Looks - check, Performance - check, Price - check. What more do you need for legend status? What other company has consistently upgraded its product line as much? TVS fans had to wait until the Apache for a fifth gear, and CBZ didn't get one serious upgrade (oh wait, there was the electric start and racing stickers).

P220 makings of a legend.

I feel the P220 has all the makings of a legend. With its big carb technology. I have a feeling that in the future when FI is going to be standard and all controlled by microchips this carbed rocket is going to be sought after by bikers looking for that raw grunt a carbereuted engine has. I hope Bajaj market this bike well and give good after sales support. and the P220 is well on it's way of acheiving legendary status.