Topic Approved.

Lets keep this real and no OTs would be allowed. We don't want users to post something illogical like a 4-cylinder, liquid cooled, 16-valve, 60bhp, 250cc machine as the NEXT Pulsar 220cc!

Let's keep this discussion serious. Before posting, remember Bajaj officials sure are watching!

Thanks, Aryan for the superfast approval.

@Pranay: Nice thread! I shall put in my comments after sometime!

@Aryan: I hope we can keep this thread clean of Bajaj bashing and the like!

Good topic, really. I would say a monoshock, coupled with a newly designed body work (if that is at all possible). Because, as far as the current design goes, although it does look good no doubt, but since Bajaj is recycling the parts on all it's Pulsar motorbikes, it has really become difficult to differentiate one Pulsar from the other when seen from certain angles.

It also is not really a done thing that Bajaj uses the same instrumentation on all the Pulsars. May be an added clock or temperature gauge or SOMETHING on their top of the line flagship model - the P220 would be really worthwhile.

Bottom line - something must be there which should differentiate a top of the line model of a leading two wheeler manufacturer from a commuter (P150) totally!

@Praful: No bashing would be allowed. Let us all reply to this thread after looking and understanding properly the need of the topic.

If anyone is caught bashing/flaming/ posting OTs, infractions would ensue. And that's a promise!

IMHO

Most Important Things Needed:
- Better & Lighter frame (This bike needs better handling!)
- A more Responsive/Active/Stiffer Front & Rear suspension setup (A monoshock is welcome)
- Redesigned Electrical/Electronics, present setup is OK! We need more reliability from it
- The bike is unnecessarily heavy. The exhaust, alloys, tyres, frame & front/rear shockers are some of the easier things that can loose weight upto almost 10 kgs.
- Throttle response though good, needs to be a bit more refined at lower rpms, the "twitchiness" needs to go.
- The gearbox need to redesigned to accommodate a 6th cog. Like in the present gearbox the final two gears can be tall ratio for cruising.
- The front/rear brakes need to be more progressive than "bitey"
- Overall NVH levels are fine below 6K RPM currently, the same level of refinement needs to be achieved at higher RPMS too.


This much for now! Will add more stuff later.....

Hello.....

I would like to see:

- Change the engine architecture, I don't know what else can be done with the current layout. Some say, that with the current design Bajaj has reached the limit of the Pulsar engine!!!

- A better front fairing than the current one (it looks good from the front, but not at all from the sides). When looked from the sides, it looks heavy which it should not!

- Obviously, the fuel tank needs to be redesigned. Come'on Bajaj, don't be so persistent about this design. The knee recesses needs to be improved.

- Considering the purpose of P220, I would like a wider and a softer seat for long comfortable journeys, right! (See Unicorn for reference)

- I haven't ridden P220 much, so cannot comment on the suspension, braking and the quality of the gearbox. P220 owners, please comment on these But I believe, Bajaj has still to come up to the refinement levels of Honda's and Yamaha's.

- Talking of refinement, smoother engine at higher rpms and speeds, please!

- And yes, very important, a distinctive design...especially now when P200 has been given a P220 treatment!

Most of u guys have posted what I wanted to post here. So these are only a few things that I would like to change:

1. The chassis and engine mounting certainly does not allow a monoshock setup like the Uni or FZ. But even with the traditional twin-shox the handling can be made R15 rivalling. Case in point - the RTR.
2. Yes, more weight reduction is certainly welcome. It can be implemented in places like the exhaust(which IMHO is too much), alloys, light-weight but better quality fiber parts
3. A tank with better knee recess. I know it might destroy the "Pulsar brand image", but heck give a new brand image to the 220 alone!
4. A bit taller gearing if ur only using the 5 speed mill ese give it an overdrive 6th. the tourers will bless u.
5. Overall reliability and product quality.
6. Provide custom made better tires which have better grip with reduced weight.
7. Better brakes that are more responsive
8. Rear view mirrors, rear view mirrors, rear view mirrors!
9. Time on the display.

Since I am not a 220 owner/tourer, I have nothing more to add. All the above are my experiences from my old pulsar and the few rides I have taken.

I would put 'monoshock' rear suspension above any other updates.

Pillion comfort is important for every bike buyer in India.

A lot of people buy Unicorn just for its ride and pillion comfort. A lot of parents can influence the decisions of their children if they know that a particular bike has a good pillion seat. Unicorn currently enjoys the attention that it gets from this segment.

This single move can banish Unicorn from sales charts.

There is a difference in segment when we talk about the Unicorn and the 220. I agree that P220 should have better pillion comfort, but even if it does, I am 100% sure this won't effect the sales of the Unicorn. There is a difference of 30K between the bikes, bro.

And how the heck could I have missed in the first post-------> RVMs.

Please, Bajaj, do something about the RVMs. You are making the 220's to ride at the back of the pack so that we don't have to turn our heads to look behind. Either that or the 'chicken dance'!

>> There is a difference of 30K between the bikes, bro.

Isn't it more like 20K.

Let's settle at 25K .

How much is Unicorn on road? Around 66K?
How much is P220 on road? Around 92K?

Even if it is 20K, isn't it a segment higher? A person looking to buy a Unicorn would be looking at its
*price
*mileage
*comfortable ergonomics

Look, all I am saying is that a person who would be looking at buying a Uni would not look at P220 as an alternative.

Personally I had almost settled on the P220, but I went for the R15 instead just because of the Yamaha quality. I personally feel Bajaj gives the latest features at a very mouth watering price, but somehow something that goes against it is the quality. I have seen so many Pulsars (all versions) just shutting off for no rhyme or reason whatsoever&then refusing to start again. Not to mention noisy chains, gearboxes&leakages.
My friend who bought the P220 when I was buying my R15 had the same problem a few weeks back. I think Bajaj knows the Indian market really well&will definitely bring in all the gizmos when they feel its the right time. But all said, they should tweak up their quality so that people are more attracted towards local brands rather than 'foren' maal!

From the new P220, I expect these:-->

1. a 6 Speed Gearbox -desperately needed now!

2. A Monoshock Suspension at the rear,

3. Make these things more USEABLE ---> Rear View Mirrors & those Pillion Grab Rails.

4. Vibration Control Methods (handlebar weights, chassis modification, or take Kawasaki's help, etc.)

5. Riding position a bit more extreme than now ...

6. All Black Theme, alongwith some Weight Reduction. It should be about 142 kgs..

7. 4 Valves in the engine, and Water Cooling System,

After all this, it might be priced around Rs. 96 On Road something ... and can touch about 135-140 kmph "real", while retaining enough mod range punch!

What do you say, Guys? I know it must be ready by now, still ...

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@ R15Rocks: I totally agree with you. I mean, so much improvement is needed! In reliability, feel, performance, etc...

If Bajaj update this way, They need atleast 4-5 generations to come to R15 level ...

Handling.
Some punch down the revs.