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Nice explanation saj
what's up with the andriod display pic ??
besides, someone please answer my post on the previous page...
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Blue and White wires on the harness are for relay triggers. Ballast is getting power from the relays and the power is routed from the battery as per the harness which is not permitted on ur bike.Originally posted by okLeyT View PostThanks Sajjt. I have done your instructions too but without the diodes as seen in the diagram. What I only tried is leaving the brown wire in the male socket and pull the blue and white wires out from the socket then tapped it to the positive pole of the battery. And nothing happened. I did it both in the blue and white wire.
We are going to have a ride with my clubmates on weekend. And it is a very long one because we are going go ride a ship together with our Pulsars. So probably I'll be trying this on the other weekend Sajjt.
For now, I just want to know if my understanding is correct. My concern is on the functions of the diodes on the Blue wire. How will this work? Isn't it the BCU will receive a 6A current to make the stock switches work? How much ampere does the BCU need to trigger the magnetic RH/LH switches? Because I think the position of the two diodes should be inverted so that the BCU will receive a 1A current from the HID Kit which is enough (I think) to make a trigger for the magnetic switches and a 6A current to power the projector shield driven by the HID relay/controller kit to make it open??
I'm sorry everyone if I look like stupid to you. I really don't have any knowledge in this kind of work. I am really confused..
BCU is just checking the current flow every now and then, if anything seems to be abnormal it assumes that either shorting or blown bulb. Stock switches are magnetic contacts which is acting as sensors every contact its alerting the BCU that a connection is trying to establish and the BCU triggers the relay attached to the load. This is what I learned so far. Experts pls conmment.
Polarity of the diodes are correct here am suggesting 2 diodes for a addnl safety to the BCU, if one diode is used and by chance the diode conks off there will be reverse current and may damage the BCU and hence the 2 diode installed.
Projector shield solenoid hardly takes less than 2 watt so 1A diode is more than enough. 6A is for powering the ballast. If you found that the 6A diode is heating up excessively, then replace with higher capacity ones or add another one in parallel. This depends on ur ballast power drawing rating.
U should not disconnect the wires from the male socket, just connect everything as it is, including the stock electricals. If u disconnect any of the wires then relay in the harness wont switch and hence there wont be any supply to the ballast.
This is why I asked u about testing the kit. Have u done it? If not do it before any mods. Being its not a direct snap on mod it should be tested before proceeding else, we may mess up the whole thing without knowing that the kit is faulty.
So test the kit first:
Disconnect the HID kit fully from the bike, Connect the red wire to the battery +ve, black to the -ve, then take a wire from the batt +ve and connect to the HID male adapter white wire. The HID should work on low beam, take another +ve wire and touch the blue wire, now the high beam solenoid will get activated and thus high beam.
If everything is ok then proceed with the mod:
Cut the blue wire on the HID adapter leaving enough length for joining. Take the blue wire on harness end and connect the 6A diode and 1 A diode in series (as per diag) and the end of the 1A diode to the blue wire other end. Take a tapping from between the diodes and connect it to the white wire on the HID male adapter where u've to connect the red (supply +ve) wire too. Connect the black supply wire to ground properly. U r done.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks Sajjt. I have done your instructions too but without the diodes as seen in the diagram. What I only tried is leaving the brown wire in the male socket and pull the blue and white wires out from the socket then tapped it to the positive pole of the battery. And nothing happened. I did it both in the blue and white wire.Originally posted by sajjt View Post@OkleT,
I hope u've tested ur kit before the installation, if not test it first and proceed.
Best thing is, avoid the relays on the HID harness and connect it directly if possible, else,
Try this: Connect every stock wire as it is, disconnect the 2 way switch too. To the stock bulb socket connect the HID kit male adapter. Now connect the HID kit black power wire to the ground. Take the HID kit Red wire (+ve) to the white wire of the HID kit adaptor as shown in the pic
We are going to have a ride with my clubmates on weekend. And it is a very long one because we are going go ride a ship together with our Pulsars. So probably I'll be trying this on the other weekend Sajjt.
For now, I just want to know if my understanding is correct. My concern is on the functions of the diodes on the Blue wire. How will this work? Isn't it the BCU will receive a 6A current to make the stock switches work? How much ampere does the BCU need to trigger the magnetic RH/LH switches? Because I think the position of the two diodes should be inverted so that the BCU will receive a 1A current from the HID Kit which is enough (I think) to make a trigger for the magnetic switches and a 6A current to power the projector shield driven by the HID relay/controller kit to make it open??
I'm sorry everyone if I look like stupid to you. I really don't have any knowledge in this kind of work. I am really confused..
Last edited by okLeyT; 02-15-2011, 02:52 PM.
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Ok maybe I misunderstood. He needs to remove the relays altogether.Originally posted by NANOtechnology View PostThe flickering of HID can be more of a RELAY issue too, not just the BCU issue, but that high beam/ low beam swap thingy is definitely the BCU, so i think you should rather do this....
instead of taping anything else from anywhere, why don't you keep all the connections stock, and plonk relays after the BCU, i.e 1 relay after the high beam wire, 1 relay after the low beam wire ????
as the primary source is still the battery, the BCU will never have to go through heavy load !!
the BCU will only trigger the current, and all the load will be taken from the battery, hence it might work.
When we use 100w of halos onto our stock switches, don't we do the same ?
as our stock switches are incapable of handling that amount of current.
it would make things much easier i believe.
@ pavan
I never asked anybody to run the HID without the relay....
Sajit explained it perfectly!Originally posted by sajjt View Post@OkleT,
I hope u've tested ur kit before the installation, if not test it first and proceed.
Best thing is, avoid the relays on the HID harness and connect it directly if possible, else,
Try this: Connect every stock wire as it is, disconnect the 2 way switch too. To the stock bulb socket connect the HID kit male adapter. Now connect the HID kit black power wire to the ground. Take the HID kit Red wire (+ve) to the white wire of the HID kit adaptor as shown in the pic
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@OkleT,
I hope u've tested ur kit before the installation, if not test it first and proceed.
Best thing is, avoid the relays on the HID harness and connect it directly if possible, else,
Try this: Connect every stock wire as it is, disconnect the 2 way switch too. To the stock bulb socket connect the HID kit male adapter. Now connect the HID kit black power wire to the ground. Take the HID kit Red wire (+ve) to the white wire of the HID kit adaptor as shown in the pic
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The flickering of HID can be more of a RELAY issue too, not just the BCU issue, but that high beam/ low beam swap thingy is definitely the BCU, so i think you should rather do this....
instead of taping anything else from anywhere, why don't you keep all the connections stock, and plonk relays after the BCU, i.e 1 relay after the high beam wire, 1 relay after the low beam wire ????
as the primary source is still the battery, the BCU will never have to go through heavy load !!
the BCU will only trigger the current, and all the load will be taken from the battery, hence it might work.
When we use 100w of halos onto our stock switches, don't we do the same ?
as our stock switches are incapable of handling that amount of current.
it would make things much easier i believe.
@ pavan
I never asked anybody to run the HID without the relay....
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Go back to stock in terms of wiring. Join all the cut wires and ape them nicely as if you were going to use the stock halgoen again. Now connect the HID without using any relay at all. It will work. Nano too suggested the same on the last page.
The HID flickers because the BCU thinks that the low beam is kaput so tries the high beam and there too the same. It keeps trying to find one beam that will eat current. But since you are using a relay the only current eaten from the BCU is that by the relay coil which is negligible. That is exactly what makes the BCU think that the beams are kaput. BCU has a load sensor. Not a load limiter. HIDs run via the BCU easily.
Rahuldevnath is running them. So are many others.
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Hello guys! It's good to be back again!
Here is the picture of my HID wiring.

I worked on it this weekend as I said to Sajjt.
SCENE 1:
I tried returned it to the stock connection. I removed the dedicated switch and returned the cut wires in the HID Socket. After returning them to their original state I plugged in the HID Socket to the Stock Headlight Socket.
RESULT:
The HID flickered and projector shield opens and closes after that the HID is completely turned off.
MY ANALYSIS:
This is maybe the BCU has a current limiter. Once the HID bulb is powered up (switched on) the BCU detects how much current it gets then because the HID draws a lot of current the BCU switches from lo beam to hi beam thinking that the current needed by the HID bulb will be sustained by switching to hi beam. But because the hi/lo switch controls only the projector shield the current being drawn by HID bulb is not changing which makes the BCU cut-off. Why? Because it exceeds the current that the BCU is allowed to throw to give light.
In this stock setup there no luck.
SCENE 2:
I removed the Brown wire from the socket while the hi and low beam wires from the two sockets are still connected. I tapped the brown wire to the body ground but nothing happened. Still the three green wires with blue stripe are not connected.
RESULT: Nothing.
ANALYSIS: Nothing too.
SCENE 3: I returned the Brown wire to the socket and pull out the Blue (hi beam) and White (low beam) then I tapped the White wire to the positive pole of the battery while the Blue wire is not tapped to anything.
RESULT: The HID bulb lights up together with the park lights. Nothing happens when I switch in the headlight on because it is already turned on together with the park lights.
I tried the hi beam if the HID will light up but no luck. It didn't lighted up.
ANALYSIS: Still not the right connection.
Now base on those scenes, I came up with this conclusion: For me to be able to use the stock LH & RH switches of my P220S I must also use the wires that came from the BCU. Why? Because all the wires (everything on it) from the LH & RH switches run to the BCU to get current used to trigger the magnetic switches. I cannot make a separate connection to use the stock switches because the current will not be complete. To make a complete current cycle I must use a positive and negative wire THAT CAME from the BCU. Making a connection that one end came from the BCU and one end is directly connected to the battery or body ground makes nothing because it doesn't triggers the magnetic switches. The magnetic switches is driven only by the BCU and NOT by any external currents.
For the electrical geeks here, what should I do so that I can use the stock RH & LH headlight switches of my P220S to light up my HID?
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Massive Projector
Guys,
I am thinking of using this projector as an auxiliary light for my P220F. Any other ideas for this projector? Comments please.
The dimensions are: 3" D X 5.5" L
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not in mumbai but you can contact Navnish for bixenon projectors and HID....Originally posted by d@rk nemesis View PostAny good place in western suburb to get Projectors and HID for my ZMA.
in mumbai for projectors you can go to mumbai central near minerva theatre at the two wheeler market but do chk them for cut offs....
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Any good place in western suburb to get Projectors and HID for my ZMA.
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@Sajjt
If I am going to plug the male socket included in the kit just like in your pictures And I will attach th yellow wire for the supply then I will attach the socket to its partner, the female one which is the stock bulb socket AND which is also already has a supply that came from the BCU. Isn't there a conflict?
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Originally posted by sajjt View PostDear, have'nt u connected all these already? Or u got confused once u dismantled the harness? Connect the 3 pin socket (male adapter) to the stock socket. Check its working.
If the problem still persists, connect the red wire from battery to the stock switch middle wire in parallel which is the low beam power. Lets know the result.
It is currently plugged-in to each other just that the Brown wire that is connected in the projector is tapped in the Pink wire to one of the sockets on the left group. The White wire is disconnected and the Blue wire ran to the separated switch that is installed.
Now, on the connection you posted earlier, I will be returning everything to the original form so I can follow your instructions. I have to rebuild the wiring connections of the male socket (the one that came with the kit that has brown, blue and white wire). Then after that I will disconnect all the wiring from the installed toggle switch then focus on the male and female headlight socket and wiring. I will tap a wire to the Brown one going to the supply.... because the other two is for the hi/lo beam I think...
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Thanks man.Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View PostNice explanation dude!
Thanks dude, I really expected u to bump into this before I postOriginally posted by NANOtechnology View PostReally great explanation sajjt
keep up the good work...
but u disappointed me

U spared my 1 hr for gathering all details
And.... its all ur fault
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