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  • Basic of Projectors, HID and their Installation

    hi guys,

    Many people have been asking about the basics of Projectors, hid and how to install them so i have tried to put in a beginners guide.

    Disclaimer: the below mentioned process can be followed ONLY in certain bikes which have a DC supply and not AC. for some of the bikes coil rewinding might have to be done so please confirm it with the vendor of the HID or somebody else who have done it in a similar bike befoer proceeding

    Xenons without projectors are illegal.....

    about hid kits first:
    1. types of hid h1, h3, h4, h7
    2. H4 is available in 2 types single xenon and bi xenon. single xenon has 1 halogen bulb for low beam and 1 xenon for high beam. bi xenons have both xenons for low as well as high beam.
    3. wattages available for HIDs (in India and outside). 35W, 55W and 100W.
    4. color temperature ranges available are fro 3000K (halogen yellow) to 12000K(purplish tinge). temperatures above 4300K are illegal in India.
    5. Price range for Hids 1700rs (for cheap Chinese ones) to 12000rs (for Philips (available only for cars)). Some of the dealers also give a warranty of at max one year.
    Now the projectors:
    1. The projectors are available in India but only in few select locations.
    2. Types of projectors are also the same as that of the hids mentioned above.
    3. The bixenon projectors are a bit costly.
    4. Only one type of hid can be fitted into a particular type of projector.
    5. Cost of projectors starts from somewhere around 2k and go upto 10k for good ones with a proper cut off.(cut off is the level from where you dont want the beam to go higher which in the cheaper ones is not proper and might blind the oncoming traffic.)
    For Installation:
    1. First remove the headlight from the assembly.
    2. Now separate the glass from the reflector using
    a. Hot air gun on the sides to melt the glue
    b. Oven: put the whole assembly in the oven for a couple of minutes after the glue melts separate them easily.
    3. Cut the part of the reflector not required.
    4. Take care to install the projector such that the beam is on the lower side and not on the higher side.
    5. Once you get the position of the projector fix it with either clamps or by using M-seal(very sturdy and un shakeable)
    6. Put the glass back on the reflector the same way you removed it.
    7. Now fix the hid in the projector.
    Congratulations you now have your very own highly directional flood lights.
    The cost of the entire setup might range from 4k to as high as 20-25k.....
    Enjoy!!!
    Last edited by kinshuk.arya; 09-10-2010, 03:09 PM.
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    • #3
      some inputs from my side...

      projectors are a must if going for hid's as the spread is unbeatable and its comfortable to look at..

      these are also available at junkyards..

      in case of bi-xenon projectors, they normally require a d2s socket and the shield inside the projector moves up and down to give a bi-xenon effect whenever needed...

      if you switch to high beam the shield will be pushed down to give higher cut-off area...

      the bulb has nothing to do with high/low in case of bi-xenon projectors..
      bulb remains at the same place, shield does everything.

      (i am mentioning this as many has asked me this question in pm as well as in some threads)
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      • #4
        appreciating all the help and info we can get... btw what is the cost of a bixenon projector and what hid's can fit into it??
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        • #5
          thanks for starting the thread. Can you please edit and do the numbering correctly ? its repeated
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          • #6
            i thought others might have put up more inputs in this thread..
            let me explain one more basic factor about HID's.
            all must have heard about color temperatures, some have no idea about what it means.

            here's how HID bulbs with different color temperature looks in real life..





            the best color temperature regarding lumens is 4300k, its almost white, but with a slight golden tinge..
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            • #7
              Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
              appreciating all the help and info we can get... btw what is the cost of a bixenon projector and what hid's can fit into it??
              Nice thread there. As Nano mentioned Bi-Xenon projectors will generally use D2S type of Bulb where the Bulb doesn't do anything to change beams. Its the shield of projector which takes care.

              You also forgot to mention the Dual Tube Xenon's available in H4 type but these are not available for projectors

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              • #8
                I have been hearing this since long but whats the problem if i use hid with the stock reflectors.. actually the throw of the multi-reflector is better hence i am asking. I mean other than glare to the opposite drive, whats the problem???
                Last edited by ROCKRZ; 09-16-2010, 12:20 PM.
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                • #9
                  Thanks guys for starting this thread & I appreciate from bottom of my heart to all the contributors. I'm kind of outdated with these techy & pardon some of my noob questions...
                  1. What's projector? Is it the doom or something else?
                  2. What's HID? Is it the bulb?
                  3. Is the projector to be fitted inside the existing head lamp? Or how? I'm little confused on things here & hence the silly questions.

                  Last but not the least, what's bi-xenon projector (or HID)? How's this different from the regular ones?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by aargee View Post
                    Thanks guys for starting this thread & I appreciate from bottom of my heart to all the contributors. I'm kind of outdated with these techy & pardon some of my noob questions...
                    1. What's projector? Is it the doom or something else?
                    Projector is the lens through which the HID Bulb spreads the light and its pattern.
                    2. What's HID? Is it the bulb?
                    HID stands for High Intensity Discharge and yes its basically the bulb
                    3. Is the projector to be fitted inside the existing head lamp? Or how? I'm little confused on things here & hence the silly questions.
                    Well,yes the projector lens needs to be protected from dust particles etc so it has to be built/fixed in to an assembly....but when we retro fit,we can fix it into our existing halogen dome.

                    Last but not the least, what's bi-xenon projector (or HID)? How's this different from the regular ones?
                    Regular HID's are ONLY SINGLE BEAM...these are the most common ones.Vehicles equipped with this use a separate halogen setup for HIGH BEAM.
                    When regular HIDs are fixed into a projector,in order to provide a proper cut off for low-beam(i.e not to let light spread all over unevenly) the projector has a small solenoid that cuts off the beam at a certain angle so that a perfect LOW beam is acquired.
                    now in a bi xenon setup....the HID's provides a wider spread and the projector again has a solenoid to cut off for a LOW beam BUT...when you apply the HIGH beam...this solenoid opens to provide high beam too....so HIGH and LOW is achieved from the same HID and projector.
                    Originally posted by ROCKRZ View Post
                    I have been hearing this since long but whats the problem if i use hid with the stock reflectors.. actually the throw of the multi-reflector is better hence i am asking. I mean other than glare to the opposite drive, whats the problem???
                    The stock reflector is designed for HALOGEN BULBS ONLY....when you put an HID the glare that the reflector emits is way tooooooo much and disturbs the on coming traffic...special types of Reflectors(that look like normal halogen reflector) are there that are made to reduce glare from HID's...but these aren't popular and HID'S best friend always is the projector.

                    Just compare a car with HID's in its stock reflector and a car with HID-Projectors....you will understand.

                    I believe that running HID's on halogen domes is as bad as riding without a helmet!!cause the HID's in the halo dome can really blind the on coming driver...what if you are riding through a narrow road...a corner and a vehicle from the other side is blinded for a second...esp if the driver is a bit aged?....its good bye for you man.and hence this setup is illegal ALL over the world.
                    Last edited by RanjithMN; 09-16-2010, 04:32 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Ranjit - Thanks to have explained things & that's fantastic. Looks like now I've the basics right. Now I need to get into next level of inputs & charging.

                      So what role does coil & winding plays here? I heard they require additional battery; is that true or will an existing battery suffice? What's the amps required by the battery?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by aargee View Post
                        Thanks guys for starting this thread & I appreciate from bottom of my heart to all the contributors. I'm kind of outdated with these techy & pardon some of my noob questions...
                        1. What's projector? Is it the doom or something else?
                        2. What's HID? Is it the bulb?
                        3. Is the projector to be fitted inside the existing head lamp? Or how? I'm little confused on things here & hence the silly questions.

                        Last but not the least, what's bi-xenon projector (or HID)? How's this different from the regular ones?

                        TIA
                        1. projector is basically a lens which focusses the beam on the road and prevents it from going haywire. it looks like a dome.
                        2. HID stands for High Intensity Discharge. it is a bulb without halogen gas and it will be better if you google the explanation of it. the whole kit includes a ballast and a bulb.
                        3. the projector is to be fitted inside the existing headlamp. to know how it looks chk out my album....


                        Originally posted by ROCKRZ View Post
                        I have been hearing this since long but whats the problem if i use hid with the stock reflectors.. actually the throw of the multi-reflector is better hence i am asking. I mean other than glare to the opposite drive, whats the problem???
                        if we use hid with stock reflectors there are two problems:
                        1. It is ILLEGAL....
                        2. It blinds the oncoming vehicle which can cause an accident.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by aargee View Post
                          Ranjit - Thanks to have explained things & that's fantastic. Looks like now I've the basics right. Now I need to get into next level of inputs & charging.

                          So what role does coil & winding plays here? I heard they require additional battery; is that true or will an existing battery suffice? What's the amps required by the battery?
                          You're Welcome,Sir.
                          HIDs require a DC supply.

                          Im not sure about the following but older gen bikes like the Pulsars with AC setup required coil and winding for anything above a 35 Halogen bulb and pretty much all the bikes these days have enough juice to run HID.


                          and also note that a 35w HID draws more power than a 35w halogen ONLY at the start till it reaches its full output and then requires LESSER power than halogen!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by aargee View Post
                            Ranjit - Thanks to have explained things & that's fantastic. Looks like now I've the basics right. Now I need to get into next level of inputs & charging.

                            So what role does coil & winding plays here? I heard they require additional battery; is that true or will an existing battery suffice? What's the amps required by the battery?
                            no need of an extra battery people on xbhp has done it with modifications to the present electrical system.... i am running an hid on the factory fitted 5Ah battery and no problems as of yet...
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
                              if we use hid with stock reflectors there are two problems:
                              1. It is ILLEGAL....
                              2. It blinds the oncoming vehicle which can cause an accident.
                              I would not agree on the 2nd point . A good bixenon with a glare cap will not blind the oncoming traffic . Tried and test on all bikes

                              The hella micro de what i tested is also great . No trouble for oncoming vehicles.

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