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  • Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
    i didn't expect this question to be posted atleast..
    should have searched in previous pages or my HID projector help thread, page no 34...

    let me answer anyways..
    your bike's stator produces current whenever the magnet around it rotates.

    when you REVV, with the engine, even the magnet rotates, this helps in producing current.
    however whatever current is produced by such method is AC current.

    in our bikes the AC current produced by this method ranges from 48v to 100v AC..
    this voltage can blast off all the electricals in the bike.

    so there's a method to suppress this AC current.

    an RR unit is a Rectifier/Regulator unit.
    what it does is firstly makes sure that even if the bike produces 40v or 120v, it gives out only 14.5v...

    secondly what it does it CONVERTS this AC current to DC..

    your battery needs DC voltage to get charged..

    so if you look at your stock RR unit, it has 2 phase, i.e
    • it keeps AC current (given to the headlight) below 14.5v, this is done by 1 phase out of 2
    • it converts the remaining current to DC and gives it to the battery, again suppressing it to 14.5v (done by second phase)


    now what you will do is BUY a SINGLE phase RR aka APE RR..

    it will only do 1 thing, i.e convert ALL the AC current to DC, limit it until 14.5v and provide it to the battery..

    got it ???

    now if you ask about rewinding, rewinding is a process in which the stator is winded with copper wire to give MORE current as we need better charging to run HIDs..

    this is my re-winded coil (sorry for image quality)



    so its evident from the pictures that the COPPER thing is much more in the RE-WINDED coil, as well as the wire is fatter, so its much better winded.

    so again i repeat..

    what we are doing is making our charging system better by generating more current with the help of re-winding, and that RR, is to regulate/rectify all the AC current produced to DC and send it to battery .....


    i hope i don't need to clarify any more doubts...
    Got each and everything. Explanation couldn't have been better than this

    Thanks alot.
    Srry for such dumb Qs.
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    • Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
      i didn't expect this question to be posted atleast..
      should have searched in previous pages or my HID projector help thread, page no 34...

      let me answer anyways..
      your bike's stator produces current whenever the magnet around it rotates.

      when you REVV, with the engine, even the magnet rotates, this helps in producing current.
      however whatever current is produced by such method is AC current.

      in our bikes the AC current produced by this method ranges from 48v to 100v AC..
      this voltage can blast off all the electricals in the bike.

      so there's a method to suppress this AC current.

      an RR unit is a Rectifier/Regulator unit.
      what it does is firstly makes sure that even if the bike produces 40v or 120v, it gives out only 14.5v...

      secondly what it does it CONVERTS this AC current to DC..

      your battery needs DC voltage to get charged..

      so if you look at your stock RR unit, it has 2 phase, i.e
      • it keeps AC current (given to the headlight) below 14.5v, this is done by 1 phase out of 2
      • it converts the remaining current to DC and gives it to the battery, again suppressing it to 14.5v (done by second phase)


      now what you will do is BUY a SINGLE phase RR aka APE RR..

      it will only do 1 thing, i.e convert ALL the AC current to DC, limit it until 14.5v and provide it to the battery..

      got it ???

      now if you ask about rewinding, rewinding is a process in which the stator is winded with copper wire to give MORE current as we need better charging to run HIDs..

      this is my re-winded coil (sorry for image quality)






      and this is how the stock coil looks like (ignore the circles)






      so its evident from the pictures that the COPPER thing is much more in the RE-WINDED coil, as well as the wire is fatter, so its much better winded.

      so again i repeat..

      what we are doing is making our charging system better by generating more current with the help of re-winding, and that RR, is to regulate/rectify all the AC current produced to DC and send it to battery .....


      i hope i don't need to clarify any more doubts...


      good to see the detaild ans from you nano.you are emerging as the best helping hand for xbhpians here.
      i really like your simple step by step method of explanation,heck you will be a good teacher,do you know that,AND I AM NOT K+JOKIN OR KIDDIN WITH YOU,.
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      • @ doc..

        its good to hear from you here doc..
        let me be honest with you all, when i was in a similar position, i used to GOOGLE most of the things that sajan used to write, and even abhi's...

        it took me ages to understand what 2 phase and 3 phase coil means...
        so i know how it feels...

        so i understand completely what NEWBIES do not understand, so i try to make it simple..
        besides its pointless using difficult words, some maybe electrical engineers, some maybe just 18 year old philosophy students, so its better to keep it simple.

        I've learnt it in a hard way doc, but i know most of the people here wouldn't do it..
        hence this..

        and thanks for the compliment doc, i get to hear that a lot specially these days...
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        • Originally posted by drvmtm View Post
          good to see the detaild ans from you nano.you are emerging as the best helping hand for xbhpians here.
          i really like your simple step by step method of explanation,heck you will be a good teacher,do you know that,AND I AM NOT K+JOKIN OR KIDDIN WITH YOU,.

          Doc, u got a bloody instinct to find out the root cause/reason at the first hand man. First and foremost quality for a doc is listen carefully the case and u've got it, and am sure that u'll've to go long way and surely u'll succeed in ur pursuit.

          Even I was thinking in the same way about our Nano, about his abilities in detailing to its minutest and comprehensive. Hats off to u man and keep up.

          Its always been a help for us that u r around here to give a helping hand to others and we never felt that u r just bumping into it unnecessarily.
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          • Dear Doc,Abhi,Sajan, Nano.
            Rewinding done on my pulsar 200. Installed APE rr unit. Everything done by NANO. I am very lucky to have him in my city. i was just standing beside him and was looking at his job.
            Thanks a ton NANO.

            The problem i am facing is i cant get the headlamps converted to DC. BCU is not allowing me to do so. How do i bypass BCU. As for now mechanic has installed an extra switch to on/off bulb on DC.
            PLs help.
            Not only Great power comes with great responsibility but also with Great RISK !!! Referring to SBKs...

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            • HID setup in Mumbai

              Hi Guys,

              Can anyone provide me contact of machanic who can do HID set-up in Mumbai or Pune.

              P.S. I hv got HH Hunk.

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              • Originally posted by kdear View Post
                Hi Guys,

                Can anyone provide me contact of machanic who can do HID set-up in Mumbai or Pune.

                P.S. I hv got HH Hunk.
                ask puneet!!! he can help you out . btw, he sells hid projectors
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                • Suggestions required for Fazer

                  My fellow Xbhpians,
                  I need some expert guidance on installing an HID kit/Xenon on my Yamaha Fazer.
                  A brief background on the bike. The current electrical system is 12V35W/35W+35W. The feature with the Fazer is that though it had two bulbs independent, at any given point in time only one would work. (The right buld works on low beam and the left bulb works on high beam)To enable both the bulbs I had changed the battery to the R15 battery to support 35+35W.Even after doing that I am not satisfied with the quality of light avaliable especially on the highway at night when its raining and worst is when you have a vehicle coming in the opposite direction with their high beam on.
                  I was being offered the angel eye with Xenon for a premium of 16K with a 1year warrenty and would have to install an additional battery charger (Rs 500) to cope with draining of the battery, however I do not think it would justify the cause and would just be a pocket ripper.I had gone though the tread and was utterly confused (as I dont know head nor tail of electricals) with what would work best for me. Can you please advice on a viable solution?
                  Hope to hear from you soon.
                  Thanks for looking into this
                  Cheers!!
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                  • Originally posted by Incubus View Post
                    My fellow Xbhpians,
                    I need some expert guidance on installing an HID kit/Xenon on my Yamaha Fazer.
                    A brief background on the bike. The current electrical system is 12V35W/35W+35W. The feature with the Fazer is that though it had two bulbs independent, at any given point in time only one would work. (The right buld works on low beam and the left bulb works on high beam)To enable both the bulbs I had changed the battery to the R15 battery to support 35+35W.Even after doing that I am not satisfied with the quality of light avaliable especially on the highway at night when its raining and worst is when you have a vehicle coming in the opposite direction with their high beam on.
                    I was being offered the angel eye with Xenon for a premium of 16K with a 1year warrenty and would have to install an additional battery charger (Rs 500) to cope with draining of the battery, however I do not think it would justify the cause and would just be a pocket ripper.I had gone though the tread and was utterly confused (as I dont know head nor tail of electricals) with what would work best for me. Can you please advice on a viable solution?
                    Hope to hear from you soon.
                    Thanks for looking into this
                    Cheers!!
                    16k for a pair of xenons is a total rip off if it is not from an OEM manufacturer like Philips or Osram....

                    if you are planning to put in two xenons you will definitely have to go for rewinding and other stuff might also have to install a battery of even higher rating...

                    another option you can look into is a pair of Osram Night Breakers 12v 55W costs around 1500rs for a pair....
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                    • hey guys, can anybody help , since I have installed Bi-xenon projectors but then my 35 HID 6000k is darning so much battery that the FI signal on the console flashes notifying the battery drain, is there any solution to this ? should I get a brand new battery as I have completed my 2 happy years of ownership. And more off I dont want to go for rewinding as a solution to this. Since the stock halogens are of 35W why does a 35W HID drain the battery in a matter of just 5-7 MIN please give me some insight ....
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                      • Originally posted by PRATIK322 View Post
                        hey guys, can anybody help , since I have installed Bi-xenon projectors but then my 35 HID 6000k is darning so much battery that the FI signal on the console flashes notifying the battery drain, is there any solution to this ? should I get a brand new battery as I have completed my 2 happy years of ownership. And more off I dont want to go for rewinding as a solution to this. Since the stock halogens are of 35W why does a 35W HID drain the battery in a matter of just 5-7 MIN please give me some insight ....

                        I guess ur ride is a R15 from ur avtar. Its got a strong electricals to support 2X35W halogens at a time. Check the battery condition as u said its 2 yr old, if not, check the RR pumping rate to the batt. A 35W HID should not make any issues in normal conditions. How about the stock bulbs? Are they giving good backup?
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                        • Originally posted by sajjt View Post
                          I guess ur ride is a R15 from ur avtar. Its got a strong electricals to support 2X35W halogens at a time. Check the battery condition as u said its 2 yr old, if not, check the RR pumping rate to the batt. A 35W HID should not make any issues in normal conditions. How about the stock bulbs? Are they giving good backup?
                          Single HID is ok, but R15 supports twin HID too in normal city traffic?
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                          • Originally posted by Veeral View Post
                            Dear Doc,Abhi,Sajan, Nano.
                            Rewinding done on my pulsar 200. Installed APE rr unit. Everything done by NANO. I am very lucky to have him in my city. i was just standing beside him and was looking at his job.
                            Thanks a ton NANO.

                            The problem i am facing is i cant get the headlamps converted to DC. BCU is not allowing me to do so. How do i bypass BCU. As for now mechanic has installed an extra switch to on/off bulb on DC.
                            PLs help.
                            now problem i am facing is as soon as i on the switch of the Dc bulb console shows batt drain symbol. This morning did 200km ride and ended up in total batt drain Dunno wats the prob. I think bulb drinks more power than coil is charging it.

                            After coil rewinding and APE RR unit how do i check if all wiring is perfect and its charging batt. at good rate.
                            Can someone pls post the charing rate table at different RPM.
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                            • Originally posted by sajjt View Post
                              I guess ur ride is a R15 from ur avtar. Its got a strong electricals to support 2X35W halogens at a time. Check the battery condition as u said its 2 yr old, if not, check the RR pumping rate to the batt. A 35W HID should not make any issues in normal conditions. How about the stock bulbs? Are they giving good backup?
                              Yeah my ride is R15 u guessed it right , even i was under the impression that it can support a PAIR of 35W HID's with no issues, Hey I shall chk the same with the stock halogen bulbs & I recall no issues with them as such, still I shall check it once more,but then can you please let me know as to how to check the "RR PUMP RATE" and are there any known standards as to how much a charged battery must hold ? like mine is showing 12.68V when bike is turned off completely. And I shoot this questions to you guys because my console started flashing after meager 5-7 min & I guess others must have used HID's.

                              Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
                              Single HID is ok, but R15 supports twin HID too in normal city traffic?
                              Yeah bro even I thought the same & most of the time I drive above 6K RPM & sometimes red-lining it in the course, so I presume that the battery must be charging on a regular basis but still a pair of 35w HID's made my battery almost dead. anything else I can chk?
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                              • Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
                                Single HID is ok, but R15 supports twin HID too in normal city traffic?
                                I used Bi-xenon projector with 4300K Hid Bulb. R15 does not support twin HID running together. what i mean to say is.

                                they would work as long as bike is in motion and RPM is above 4.5K moment it goes down below 4K HID start drainig battery. in matter of 5-6 mins your completely charge battery will go to low.

                                Here is another issue even tho you make sure RPM is above 4.5K but when engine heats up and fan kick in you will get orange light lit up.


                                Blame it on chinese Ballast i guess branded ones should not have these problems or we have to upgrade the batteries to higher amps highest we can go for is for 5A witout modification.

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