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  • #91
    Experts pls help.

    I am planning to install projector in my pulsar200.
    before tht will change the coil and will use OSRAM NB in projector. .(dont want to go for HID.).

    Do i need to convert it to DC ?
    Are there diff type projectors for h4 ?
    projector will spread good light in compare to stock one . right ?
    any suggestions ?
    If anything missing pls let me know.
    Pls advice. Thanks.
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    • #92
      Guys...
      I will be a going for a Chinese Bi-xenon Proj+HID for my FZ but i want to know if there will be a significant improvement over a OSRAM NB 55w+stock reflector?
      will it be worth the 3-4k?

      and will a projector WITHOUT a shroud affect the light output?

      Thank you
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      • #93
        I had plans of Projectors + Halogen on my CBZ Xtreme since an year, I did lots of research but the technical aspects get bounced on me. So I am back to square one.

        I am planning this kind of setup on my CBZ Xtreme (7000kms more to go out of warranty period ).



        My setup doesnt include HIDs, I want into be be simple two projector setup, one for High beam and another for low with 55W bulbs on both. Already having Night breaker on my Xtreme which does wonders whenever I operate "PASS" switch. Except the Headlight and Meter console lights, every thing else is on DC on CBZ Xtreme.

        So the expert here might have already understood what I require here.

        Two projectors + Two Halogen bulbs + DC Supply using PASS button (No need of much of electrical mods)

        Can any of you tell me if this is practical? And can this be done?

        I am already in the process of arranging the projects from Skoda Octavia from a junk yard.

        I dont want to go for HID's because I don't want much complicated (for my knowledge) electrical setup on my bike and it must be easy for me when ever I want to change the setup.

        If required later, I will go for coil rewinding and full DC conversion.

        Currently, My whole bike runs on LED bulbs barring the headlight. Battery has never been problem with extra LED Brake light strip and Bosch root horn operating.
        Later on I would be removing the Braked light LED strip and thinking of flashing tail light system instead of constant glow (as seen on BWS S1000RR).
        Last edited by riazmomin; 10-14-2010, 12:06 PM.
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        • #94
          Originally posted by riazmomin View Post
          I had plans of Projectors + Halogen on my CBZ Xtreme since an year, I did lots of research but the technical aspects get bounced on me. So I am back to square one.

          I am planning this kind of setup on my CBZ Xtreme (7000kms more to go out of warranty period ).



          My setup doesnt include HIDs, I want into be be simple two projector setup, one for High beam and another for low with 55W bulbs on both. Already having Night breaker on my Xtreme which does wonders whenever I operate "PASS" switch. Except the Headlight and Meter console lights, every thing else is on DC on CBZ Xtreme.

          So the expert here might have already understood what I require here.

          Two projectors + Two Halogen bulbs + DC Supply using PASS button (No need of much of electrical mods)

          Can any of you tell me if this is practical? And can this be done?

          I am already in the process of arranging the projects from Skoda Octavia from a junk yard.

          I dont want to go for HID's because I don't want much complicated (for my knowledge) electrical setup on my bike and it must be easy for me when ever I want to change the setup.

          If required later, I will go for coil rewinding and full DC conversion.

          Currently, My whole bike runs on LED bulbs barring the headlight. Battery has never been problem with extra LED Brake light strip and Bosch root horn operating.
          Later on I would be removing the Braked light LED strip and thinking of flashing tail light system instead of constant glow (as seen on BWS S1000RR).
          you dont need electrical supply for the projectors...
          you can install the two projectors but make sure that when you are buying them they should be able to fit an h4 bulb in it
          to light 2 55w NB's at the same time you might have to change the battery to 7A or higher but if you want to use just one of them at a given point of time your current battery wont be a problem
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          • #95
            NOOB que:
            what would be the best HId setup for pulsar220...having 55W stock...unDEr 4k
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            • #96
              Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
              you dont need electrical supply for the projectors...
              you can install the two projectors but make sure that when you are buying them they should be able to fit an h4 bulb in it
              to light 2 55w NB's at the same time you might have to change the battery to 7A or higher but if you want to use just one of them at a given point of time your current battery wont be a problem
              Thanks for the reply Arya.

              Thats a good news for me that Projectors dont require electrical supply, so my bosch horn stays.

              And yes, My plan is not to lit up both the projectors simultaneously, only one of them will be working at a time. If required, I can add a toggle switch for this setup. But as of now, only one light at a time.

              thanks for pointing out the socket fitment in the projectors, I will check that.
              Last edited by riazmomin; 10-14-2010, 12:35 PM. Reason: Using projects instead of projectors, reason: working on two projects right now ;)
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              • #97
                Originally posted by Veeral View Post
                Experts pls help.

                I am planning to install projector in my pulsar200.
                before tht will change the coil and will use OSRAM NB in projector. .(dont want to go for HID.).

                Do i need to convert it to DC ?
                Are there diff type projectors for h4 ?
                projector will spread good light in compare to stock one . right ?
                any suggestions ?
                If anything missing pls let me know.
                Pls advice. Thanks.


                If u want to use a higher watt halo then only coil rewinding is more than enough.

                H4 is a dual beam bulb where projectors cant take an H4 as they use only single beam bulb and the solenoid which makes it dual beam, not the bulb.

                Projectors offer a better beam spread than the stock reflectors very precisely.
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by RanjithMN View Post
                  Guys...
                  I will be a going for a Chinese Bi-xenon Proj+HID for my FZ but i want to know if there will be a significant improvement over a OSRAM NB 55w+stock reflector?
                  will it be worth the 3-4k?

                  and will a projector WITHOUT a shroud affect the light output?

                  Thank you
                  At last u made up ur mind to go for it

                  HID is offering 3 times better lumens than a halo, so its a good choice over halos. But being with a bi xenon projector I would say the high beam is not that impressive in high speeds, so u might need an aux lamp to use as addnl high beam spread.

                  Shrouds are covers for the projectors. Shrouds, also sometimes referred to as bezels. They do however significantly improve the finished look of the retrofit. Without shrouds, the bare projector body as well as all of the work it took to get it installed would be visible. Shrouds also help to block stray light from leaking out of the projector and reflecting off of other parts inside the headlight housing. These days you can find the shrouds and bezels in one set rather than buying two pieces. So its a must for the finish, go for the AE incoporated ones.

                  This is a shroud







                  This is what w/o shroud



                  And this is with shroud and just compare the finish.



                  Hope now u got an idea what I meant.


                  Price seems to be ok for the whole kit incl lens+shroud+HID kit+AE kit. Take a wall projection if u can and check for any shadows in high beam, shadow means poor quality.
                  Last edited by sajjt; 10-14-2010, 01:23 PM.
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by riazmomin View Post
                    I had plans of Projectors + Halogen on my CBZ Xtreme since an year, I did lots of research but the technical aspects get bounced on me. So I am back to square one.

                    I am planning this kind of setup on my CBZ Xtreme (7000kms more to go out of warranty period ).

                    My setup doesnt include HIDs, I want into be be simple two projector setup, one for High beam and another for low with 55W bulbs on both. Already having Night breaker on my Xtreme which does wonders whenever I operate "PASS" switch. Except the Headlight and Meter console lights, every thing else is on DC on CBZ Xtreme.

                    So the expert here might have already understood what I require here.

                    Two projectors + Two Halogen bulbs + DC Supply using PASS button (No need of much of electrical mods)

                    Can any of you tell me if this is practical? And can this be done?

                    I am already in the process of arranging the projects from Skoda Octavia from a junk yard.

                    I dont want to go for HID's because I don't want much complicated (for my knowledge) electrical setup on my bike and it must be easy for me when ever I want to change the setup.

                    If required later, I will go for coil rewinding and full DC conversion.

                    Currently, My whole bike runs on LED bulbs barring the headlight. Battery has never been problem with extra LED Brake light strip and Bosch root horn operating.
                    Later on I would be removing the Braked light LED strip and thinking of flashing tail light system instead of constant glow (as seen on BWS S1000RR).
                    First of all, its a wrong concept that a HID is a power hungry device than a halogen. But in reality its not, it takes a good amount at the startup but after coming to its full brightness it will return to a 30-35W. Higher watt halogens will consume more than this as it starts from 55W and it stays with it. So imagine if u plan to use 2X55W what could be the load to the battery.

                    Since u dont want to use HID, ur power requirement will be around 140W where ur current setup will be able to supply a max of 60W. U r not facing any batt issues bcz u r not using any power hungry devices right now. Starter and horns are used very rarely and it can be compansated within the usual running. But once u start using even with 1X 55W things will be different, u will end up with a flat battery withing 10 mins.

                    Its not that easy to use a higher watt bulbs in Honda machines as it uses the same alternator coils for both charging and lighting. Evenif u've done the coil rewinding, ur lighting will not improve as the increased power will be routed to the battery to an extent but not fully.

                    So I would recommend to go for DC conversion, so that every thing will be from the battery and the battery will be healthy as long as ur coils are re-wounded to a min of 100W+ . U need to rewind the coils with 19G wire with all poles, go for APE RR, and some wire rerouting with relays to drive the 55W halos.


                    Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
                    you dont need electrical supply for the projectors...
                    you can install the two projectors but make sure that when you are buying them they should be able to fit an h4 bulb in it
                    to light 2 55w NB's at the same time you might have to change the battery to 7A or higher but if you want to use just one of them at a given point of time your current battery wont be a problem
                    Dude, what u meant by this? I hope u meant DC conversion. Pls go thru my postings above and revert back.

                    FYI, there's no projector will use an H4 bulb as the focus is entirely different in an H4 filament positions.

                    He is using the 55W from AC and that has nothing to do with battery except flashing.

                    BTW, Xtreme use a 7/9AH battery? but not lower than this
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                    • Originally posted by sajjt View Post
                      At last u made up ur mind to go for it
                      I always had my mind ready...but only now im actually able to get one!

                      A Shroud is just a cover for the lens assy, it will give a neat look and finish, without that the screws and other reflectors will look awkward. So its a must for the finish, go for the AE incoporated ones.
                      i thought a projector without a shroud would let the light escape from it and reduce the output quality!...it does not huh?

                      Price seems to be ok for the whole kit incl lens+shroud+HID kit+AE kit. Take a wall projection if u can and check for any shadows in high beam, shadow means poor quality.
                      thanks a ton!...will do!...ill try posting some pics and pls do comment on it!

                      thanks a ton!
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                      • @sajjt
                        this the stuff im talking about...i will have to take the projector out and fix it to my FZ's dome....do you think the projector will have any holes for screw to mount it on my dome?

                        and about the high beam..As far as remember the high beam dint have any cutoff..it was spread like normal halo...is tht the way its supposed to be?
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                        • Originally posted by sajjt View Post
                          Dude, what u meant by this? I hope u meant DC conversion. Pls go thru my postings above and revert back.

                          FYI, there's no projector will use an H4 bulb as the focus is entirely different in an H4 filament positions.

                          He is using the 55W from AC and that has nothing to do with battery except flashing.

                          BTW, Xtreme use a 7/9AH battery? but not lower than this
                          that was to clarify that projector are mechanical devices and you dont need to attach them with wire i.e. only the light source requires the electrical connection...
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                          • Originally posted by sajjt View Post
                            If u want to use a higher watt halo then only coil rewinding is more than enough.

                            H4 is a dual beam bulb where projectors cant take an H4 as they use only single beam bulb and the solenoid which makes it dual beam, not the bulb.

                            Projectors offer a better beam spread than the stock reflectors very precisely.
                            Thanks for the reply.
                            So i cant use OSRAM NB in projector. Actually i love the looks of the single projector.

                            Wat will i have to do if i need to install projector and also use two beams.
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                            • Originally posted by Veeral View Post
                              Thanks for the reply.
                              So i cant use OSRAM NB in projector. Actually i love the looks of the single projector.

                              Wat will i have to do if i need to install projector and also use two beams.
                              for dual beam i think you can go for a bi-xenon projector...
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                              • Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
                                for dual beam i think you can go for a bi-xenon projector...
                                Srry i must asking silliy Q.s
                                By bi-xenon projector. u mean only projector ? or with a xenon bulb ?
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